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Drama 102: Please, Stop Banning Me
    #5092498 - 12/22/05 02:31 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

I was banned for 5 days for my Drama 101 post (posted in WA&F 5 days ago). The reason:

Quote:

Ythan said:

Lame as hell. Get a life





Ythan's king here, he can ban whoever he wants.

So, I followed the advice of the Admins, and sent a support ticket, asking what I can do to fit back into this community... AFTER my confusing ban is lifted.

No response.

Come on guys, you had 5 days to reply.

Why was I banned while waving a white peace flag?

Also, why was I banned for 5 days, is the ban-bot broken... or have I been banned once before, and NOBODY TOLD ME? Which is it? Was I banned too long, or not notified of a previous ban... and HOW COULD I BE BANNED WITHOUT NOTICING? What happened here?

Please, don't keep banning me for posting in here (AND FOLLOWING THE RULES), for discussing something in PUBLIC, when you are not going to respond to my needs in PRIVATE... as YOU HAVE REQUESTED MULTIPLE TIMES. It is confusing, and some people would respond POORLY to such treatment. It has happened MANY TIMES BEFORE. It NEVER looks good.

If I were a malicious person (I AM NOT), I would have run to The Pub and OTD to make a ruckus. I would've sent PM's to all my allies (to fight for me), and the DRAMA WOULD CONTINUE.

Hell, some people who have been banned with bias (didn't break an ACTUAL rule) would attack the server after such treatment. Look at the accusations hurled at 3DShrooms or Sykobish! Their reactions to such treatment, caused them to (arguably) attack this community!

This needs to stop. People should be banned for breaking RULES... not for stating their opinions. If you don't like how things are going in a particular forum, FIX THE RULES.

Ythan, you banned me, what rule did I break?

How can you ban me with bias, and say:

Quote:

Ythan said:
I write this post as the founding member of the Shroomery and its most senior administrator, to proclaim my intention upon starting the site, and to help guide future decisions affecting its members. This should not be read as an official policy, rather it simply represents my personal goals and wishes when it comes to running the site. It is my greatest desire that the Shroomery remain a haven for free speech and differing ideologies, including those generally deemed offensive and detestable, as long as such speech is not illegal, expresses a genuine belief or opinion, and is not an obvious attempt to generate discord or disrupt the community (aka 'trolling'). I contend that it is the duty of the administration to extend equal rights and privileges to all members (including disliked and controversial ones), and to ensure that site guidelines are enforced fairly and without prejudice due to an individual's beliefs. The administration should make reasonable accommodations for those with controversial viewpoints, including equal access to the site's resources and a public forum to express their opinions. Under no circumstances should disciplinary or punitive action be based on what could be considered moral judgment, only on specific infractions spelled out in advance. These principles should take priority over all others, especially offering a 'friendly', 'non-threatening' or 'non-controversial' atmosphere. I propose that the freedom we provide is the site's most unique and valuable aspect, and it should be a top priority of the administration to safeguard said freedom. Finally, it is not my intention for people to over-analyze this statement, 'read between the lines' or twist my quotes to support any position beyond the one specifically outlined within: questions of free speech on the Shroomery should not be decided on moral grounds.

-Ythan
10/28/05




Don't I fit in with the racists and child molesters Ythan?

Bias bans never go away.

I have offered TWO suggestions to FIX THIS PROBLEM.

1. End Shroomery Bias

2. Permaban, when banning with bias, so the drama will stop (a la Dozer).

Neither option is perfect (there's a BETTER idea out there somewhere) but BOTH are better than the current system. Where someone is banned with bias, gets UNDERSTANDABLY UPSET, and causes more drama.... gets banned again, comes back CAUSES MORE DRAMA, gets BANNED AGAIN...

There's a better way.

I stepped into the line of fire to show you WHY IT DOESN'T WORK. I wish I could have explained myself in a MORE PEACEFUL MANOR, but a year of PEACEFUL discussion only served to get me lumped with Swami.

Ythan, if you don't give EVERYBODY EQUAL RIGHTS TO EXPRESS THEMSELVES, you won't be following your OWN WORDS (which I quoted above). Somebody on The Staff has GOT TO understand what I am saying, here.

Anyway, stop banning me, the drama is over from my end, as I said LAST TIME, when you banned me anwyay, for 5 days. You banned a Shroomerite who was holding the peace sign. Thanks. That'll teach me to confess my wrongs.

I HAVE SERVED MY TIME

Had you answered my SUPPORT TICKET, I wouldn't have needed to make this post. So, please do not ban me for simply making another post in here. BTW, the post that got me banned, I asked an ADMIN for permission to post it. Permission was granted. I posted. Then I was banned.

Bias is a problem.

Answer my support ticket. So I can go on with my Shroomery citizenship.

You'll fix the bias problem in a few months. :wink:

Happy Christmas (War IS Over)


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Re: Drama 102: Please, Stop Banning Me [Re: Rose]
    #5092501 - 12/22/05 02:32 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Here's my support ticket. Please answer. It is all I am asking for... answer it in here, or reply to the ticket itself... but PLEASE reply. And, don't ban me for this, I have a need to get ANSWERS before I start posting freely, once again.

Quote:


From : Shroomery Support <noreply@shroomery.org>
Sent : Saturday, December 17, 2005 12:22 AM
To : me
Subject : Ticket created (TicketID #808): Help


| | | Inbox

Your support request has been received by the Shroomery. Please do not reply to
this email, if you wish to add additional information to your inquiry use the
URL listed below. You will get another information email once your ticket is
replied by an administrator. For your information, your ticket ID is #808.

Quick access URL:
http://www.shroomery.org/support/public/...l=b4pro@msn.com
Ticket ID: #808
Subject: Help
Assigned operator: Thor
Department: Forums
Details:
If I can't post an apology or feedback, what CAN I post? I've got 5 days to
figure out WHICH rule I broke to get banned, and to find out WHAT will keep me
from getting banned in The FUTURE.

I want PEACE.

Help me achieve it.

What can I do?

I didn't see this ban coming. And the reason for banning,
Quote:

Ban reason: Lame
as hell, get a life.


doesn't help.

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat...84a#Post5073928
I had just posted that thread, and before posting it sent geo THIS letter:

Aw hell, I'm banned, so I can't post it. Regardless, I asked him IF I could
post again, about such things in WA&F... he said basically, POST AWAY. He
even seemed stunned I asked, thinking it was silly. Doesn't seem silly NOW,
since it got me banned.

I spent TWO DAYS writing that post, and intended it as an apology. I was VERY
SURPRISED AT THE OUTCOME.

It is not my intent to return from this ban and cry BLOODY MURDER about my
treatment. Rather, I want such treatment to stop.

I don't know how else to say it:

Help.
Cerv






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Re: Drama 102: Please, Stop Banning Me [Re: Rose]
    #5092536 - 12/22/05 02:58 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

It is a virtue to know when to stop.


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Re: Drama 102: Please, Stop Banning Me [Re: Anno]
    #5092554 - 12/22/05 03:14 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

I agree.

And, if that was why I was banned for 5 days, it could've been explained better. Best to point to a rule, when there is a ban.

I still would like some advice to fit back in, Anno. While I have no intent to discuss this any more, after this thread, I wish to post in other forums, without looking over my back.

I'm afraid to post.

Perhaps I am not virtuous at all.

Hell, I grew illegal shrooms... smoke lots of illegal pot, and volunteer my time at a counterculture website.

I stopped spouting NEGATIVITY the moment I was banned with bias, for THAT is the example I intended to make. I wanted to be treated with bias, so I could explain how it continues from there.

Such bans are a downward spiral, man. They DAMAGE this community. Every veteran has seen a friend mistreated (usually with UGLY results). MOST sane people would go apeshit, after such treatment (even though they are at LEAST 50% responsible). The STAFF is responsible too.

Ythan didn't have to ban me, for confessing what I did, and explaining why. That 5 day ban, could have caused MORE heated drama. Especially if I had reacted like MOST people do.

That's all I'm saying.

I HAD to beat this dead horse, to get banned, to make my point with ACTION rather than words. I wasn't gonna' wade through another year of this bullshit... watching slo-mo trainwrecks as they happened.

I know I hurt people. Trust me, the pain went both ways.

I am sorry for the pain I caused... however, I had to make my point... it was the only way I could think of to relieve part of the pain I helped create.

It is obvious The Staff has been working on this issue... but THEY HAVE NEVER SAID IT TO ME. That is what hurts. Why can't they admit it?

Anyway, I'll let you be the virtuous one, my friend. I like to get my hands too dirty to ever be considered virtuous. However, my intent has ALWAYS been noble.

If I thought this didn't need to be discussed, I would've stopped LONG ago.

This has never been about Swami, Swami's just the only Shroomerite I know that didn't go apeshit from such treatment.

He isn't blameless, he simply stays within the rules.

It is a shame I had to get myself banned to make a point. It is also a shame, I did so without breaking a rule. I am not proud of what this all became...

It was a point worth making. I served my time. I made my point.

If I say nothing more on the matter, will I be safe to post?

If the answer is yes, I will abide.

War is over from my side.


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Re: Drama 102: Please, Stop Banning Me [Re: Rose]
    #5092560 - 12/22/05 03:21 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

>If I say nothing more on the matter, will I be safe to post?

I can only imagine that this would be more than welcomed.


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Re: Drama 102: Please, Stop Banning Me [Re: Anno]
    #5092566 - 12/22/05 03:29 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

As do I.

If that is what the Admin wants, all I hope they do, is say so... and assure me I am free to post (at my own risk). I served my time. I waited 5 days for a response. I do not contest the ban. I just want a better explination, from the people who banned me, since they are the ones most likely to ban me again.

Also, I was curious as to why I was banned for 5 days:

Is Ban-bot broke, was it Bias, or was there simply no notification sent to me, when I was banned previously?

War is over. I swear.


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Re: Drama 102: Please, Stop Banning Me [Re: Rose]
    #5092573 - 12/22/05 03:35 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

>If I say nothing more on the matter

You see.... well, I am wasting my time here.....


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Re: Drama 102: Please, Stop Banning Me [Re: Rose]
    #5092576 - 12/22/05 03:37 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Hope you get the answers you're looking for. Peace.


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Re: Drama 102: Please, Stop Banning Me [Re: Anno]
    #5092598 - 12/22/05 04:05 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

You are not wasting your time. I read you loud and clear.

Thank you for putting me at ease.

Wish me luck.

Peace.


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Re: Drama 102: Please, Stop Banning Me [Re: Rose]
    #5092614 - 12/22/05 04:17 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Just chill out for awhile man.

Seriously. If I was Ythan, I'd probably be a little sick of you at the moment. I'm sure if you could manage to go a couple weeks without posting a two-page scree about Admin Bias and Support Tickets and Terrible Injustices, you might get a slightly more sympathetic response from someone. You seem to be trying very hard to turn yourself into a martyr.

I confess that my only knowledge of the situation is what I've heard from you, and frankly, I dont have an opinion either way. I couldnt care less if your banned or unbanned, or whatever. But you seem determined to keep bringing the matter up until your perma-banned, at which point I presume you will launch some type of massive campaign, as you keep hinting at.

Whats so hard about taking a break for a couple of weeks? It might do you some good, since this stuff appears to bother you so much. Dont you have more important things in life to worry about that what some Admin on a message board thinks? On a laundry list of life's myriad injustices, thats got to be very near the bottom of the list.


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He who learns must suffer. And even in our sleep pain that cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart, and in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God.  - Aeschylus


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Re: Drama 102: Please, Stop Banning Me [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #5092627 - 12/22/05 04:24 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

I have taken several weeks off.

Really.

Also, I am quite serene.

I just did not want to confuse THIS ISSUE with my regular Shroomery posting. So I have focused on this drama until I made my point.

I stepped down, 'cause I was not allowed to make a point as a mod... then I was stopped at most every corner, from making my point, once I stepped down.

I had a point to make and I aparently wasn't allowed to make it... however, I made it anyway... despite warnings and bans. It was just hard to do, and it almost cost me my username.

Forgive me, if I became a little compulsive. Had I known at the time I was not allowed to make this point in public, as a REGULAR SHROOMERITE, I never would've stepped down. Since I did step down, and I was compelled (beyond reasonable warning) to make my point... I do not contest my ban.

I look foreward to resuming my usual posting as soon as possible. I just want assurance that if I stop on my end, I will be free to post (at my own risk).

And, I really want to know if I have been banned more than once. Important info... no?

Anno's words are positive... but I've been burned before, being told something by one Admin, then banned by another... and Anno's currently taking a break. I hope his words are a sign of things to come from the current Administration.

I made my point, and served my time. I have no further need to continue Drama from my end. And, this is coming from a guy fresh off a 5 day vacation.


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Re: Drama 102: Please, Stop Banning Me [Re: Rose]
    #5092655 - 12/22/05 04:44 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Then let it drop, dude. I'm not sure if you've noticed, but the only person whos brought the matter up is YOU.

I'm not trying to sound like an asshole. I'm really not. I realize you feel you were wronged. But seriously, your unbanned. You can post whatever you want, you have full posting priveleges. But you still choose to sit in WA&F and stir up old muck.

I've been reading your posts for years and you have alot of very intelligent shit to say. I just cant believe that you'd rather slog through ye old mud pit than go have some intelligent conversation the Ethno Garden or Mush Cult.

Now I'm not an admin, or Mod, or any type of authority figure. But I know, and I think *YOU* know, that if you just go back to posting in any other forum, you will not be banned. But the ONLY posts you have ANY interest in making, are the ones that ARE going to cause conflict. And you KNOW this.

Just. Stop. You say you have no interest in continuing the drama. Then dont! Just let this thread die, and move on.

Please?


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Re: Drama 102: Please, Stop Banning Me [Re: Rose]
    #5092662 - 12/22/05 04:54 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Cervantes said:
I just want assurance that if I stop on my end, I will be free to post (at my own risk).

And, I really want to know if I have been banned more than once. Important info... no?

I made my point, and served my time. I have no further need to continue Drama from my end. And, this is coming from a guy fresh off a 5 day vacation.




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Re: Drama 102: Please, Stop Banning Me [Re: Rose]
    #5092667 - 12/22/05 04:57 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

This thread has been closed.

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