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Re: Remove Swami's Ban [Re: Diploid]
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I wonder what rational reason will be given for moving what may be the most relevant thread to S&P in years to WAF.

(a) It has nothing to do with either spirituality OR philosophy.

(b) The person who created the thread asked that we DELETE the entire thing. It was moved to WAF instead of being tossed into the garbage entirely.


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Once, men turned their thinking over to machines in the hope that this would set them free.
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Re: Remove Swami's Ban [Re: Diploid]
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actually i didn't want it moved i wanted it deleted people have been abusing other members in this thread and thats not what i made it for, what i made it for was to post something positive about removing swamis ban but people have taken it over the top.
think what you will. JMO


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Re: Remove Swami's Ban [Re: zorbman]
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zorbman said:
Also, I find it highly ironic that we are being asked to believe that one of the reasons for this ban was that Swami had a "chilling effect" upon some of our more sensitive posters. Yet this ban will have its own chilling effect- stifling criticism and honest debate. If a few people read something hurtful into your posts, you can now be banned.

So watch what you say, folks.



This is just overstated hyperbole.


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1. "After an hour I wasn't feeling anything so I decided to take another..."
2. "We were feeling pretty good so we decided to smoke a few bowls..."
3. "I had to be real quiet because my parents were asleep upstairs..."

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Re: Remove Swami's Ban [Re: trendal]
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I think this thread is probably more appropriate in this forum. This forum was made for threads of this kind.

But... still no examples of how Swami was being bad?
Why?


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"I have no valid complaint against hustlers. No rational bitch. But the act of selling is repulsive to me. I harbor a secret urge to whack a salesman in the face, crack his teeth and put red bumps around his eyes." -Hunter S Thompson
http://phluck.is-after.us

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Re: Remove Swami's Ban [Re: Phluck]
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I think its funny how they say, "its only a week, he'll be back".

What is that suppose to mean? Can swami go back to being swami or does he need to have his posts screened through trendal and shroomism?


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Re: Remove Swami's Ban [Re: Phluck]
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You won't find any now that this thred has ben moved the mods will ignore it.


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"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda

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Re: Remove Swami's Ban [Re: ZippoZ]
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My, my, my... If it isn't the Cult of Swami.
Do you guys realize this is a sequence of some 200 posts who almost all gang up against the moderators in hostile aggressive attack?
Let me pick apart a post that catches the heart of the matter:

Quote:
I just want people here to get over themselves and realize that this is a forum for vigorously scrutinizing beliefs.


No like Hell it's not!
It's a Spirituality and Philosophy forum. But what has it become? Someone posts something and Crack! Snap! Smash! Pop! it gets mauled by a hungry mob of hostile debunkers. In many a thread the people who want to share and compare their beliefs and offer friendly respectful criticism are completely drowned out by cold, hard "logic" that is entirely aimed at debunking and tearing somebodies dearest beliefs to shreds.

This looks like the Holy War Forum where people walk in and get stomped to the meatgrinder for sharing their beliefs, to be replaced by "truths" that are as subjective as the beliefs that were uttered in the first place.

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Attacks on beliefs posted here should be ruthless.


wOT?
Excuse me?
But indeed, THAT is what the Spirituality forum has become.
A place of ruthless assassination of free thought and personal beliefs.

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If those beliefs fail under that scrutiny, then they suck


Ram into people and if they yield their personal beliefs suck. Yes that is precisely why I rarely post on Spir & Phil anymore.

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If a belief is true, it will come through the scrutiny untouched.


No the scrutiny will never end until the poster finally yields and walks out. Logic? This is a travesty of scientific debate. This is assuming you hold the absolute truth (fundamentalism?) and applying it as the measure of anothers beliefs. An acid test that isn't lysergic but battery acid that bites into peoples core beliefs of their personal spirituality.

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If it is suspect or false, that too will become evident as the debate progresses.



This is the Salem Witch Hunt in www form.

Well guess what: one of the Captains of this school of thought has been banned for 15 days.

He knows what he's doing. He is inciting unrest in such a way that if you try to point it out you sound the fool with far-fetched ideas.
Swami isn't the one to shout "Bitch!", he utters the same sentiment by the clever insinuations of a master manipulator.

He knows what he is doing. And he knows he will be banned permanently some day if he keeps it up.

This whole thread is one vicious assault, of some 200 posts, on the people that make the Shroomery happen in the first place. It is the good old Spirituality & Philosophy game of Crack! Snap! Smash! Pop! again in defense of Swami.
Looks like we got ourselves a ringleader.


Swami has his good posts where he lights up the entire forum with his sharp wits and good sense of humor. That is the Swami you can't help but like. But when he has an off-day or so his usual style contains a well-cloaked venom that indeed seems to only bite the ones he directs it against. The good side of Swami, like I said, lights up the forum and enriches it a great deal, but there is a bad side to him which he got banned for, and unless he keeps that offline that might get him banned for good.


Swami, I know you're reading this today if not tomorrow, feel free to PM me if you want to go in-depth about all this.
Remember I'm just a dissonant tone in the choir of Swami-praise that is this thread. I wonder if you're happy with the particular way people here step up for you.


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Re: Remove Swami's Ban [Re: Asante]
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I'm sure they would do the same for you.

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Re: Remove Swami's Ban [Re: TheHateCamel]
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Hello everybody, I usually just hang in the backround but I have to chime in here. One of the main reason's I come here is to read Swami's post's in S&P. I may not always agree with him or see things his way but I enjoy reading his threads. I think some people do not like him because he points out the weakness in their arguments.
If fucknuckle is the reason for his ban that is absurd. I won't even read a post by him because of his abrasive,been there done that,I know it all, no exception attitude. Swami is by far > than FUCKNUCKLE. His name says it all!!!!
FREE SWAMI!!!!!

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Re: Remove Swami's Ban [Re: mycrodot]
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how can you compare 2 people whom you don't know personally? fucknuckle has his own truths so does swami whos' right whos' wrong?
NOBODY


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Re: Remove Swami's Ban [Re: Asante]
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No like Hell it's not!
It's a Spirituality and Philosophy forum. But what has it become? Someone posts something and Crack! Snap! Smash! Pop! it gets mauled by a hungry mob of hostile debunkers. In many a thread the people who want to share and compare their beliefs and offer friendly respectful criticism are completely drowned out by cold, hard "logic" that is entirely aimed at debunking and tearing somebodies dearest beliefs to shreds.

Have you ever taken philosophy? Seen two grown philosophy professors in a room together?

Debate and competetition are what philosophy was built on. Without scrutiny, it is not philosophy, it is ONLY spirituality.


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"I have no valid complaint against hustlers. No rational bitch. But the act of selling is repulsive to me. I harbor a secret urge to whack a salesman in the face, crack his teeth and put red bumps around his eyes." -Hunter S Thompson
http://phluck.is-after.us

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Re: Remove Swami's Ban [Re: mycrodot]
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I mostly lurk in S&P so I'm sure my opinion isn't worth very much to most regulars in there, but I dunno.

Maybe it's just me, but one person does not make a forum.

S&P will go on, with or without Swami.

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Re: Remove Swami's Ban [Re: MOTH]
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It dosn't matter to you that someone has been banned for expressing valid ideas? If I can't express myself I will go elsewhere.


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"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda

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Re: Remove Swami's Ban [Re: Phluck]
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Debate and competetition are what philosophy was built on. Without scrutiny, it is not philosophy, it is ONLY spirituality

and guess what that forums is called?


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Re: Remove Swami's Ban [Re: spudamore]
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Well, somebody could very well be right, and somebody could very well be wrong, but that's not what's at issue here at all.


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"I have no valid complaint against hustlers. No rational bitch. But the act of selling is repulsive to me. I harbor a secret urge to whack a salesman in the face, crack his teeth and put red bumps around his eyes." -Hunter S Thompson
http://phluck.is-after.us

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Re: Remove Swami's Ban [Re: MOTH]
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I am just a newbie and unfmailiar wtih the kast of characters so I prolly should stay out of this but I was intrigued and after all the smoke has cleard I don't see what this Swami guy did. i only ask so that I won;t make the same mistake.

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Re: Remove Swami's Ban [Re: trendal]
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Trendal - [once again] please respond to my questions regarding the supposed differences between S&P and PAL. You're dodging me.

Here it is again:

bi0 said:
How exactly are they that different to allow such radically different authoritative decision and action?

PAL:

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In general I like to keep the flow of information and ideas free in the political forum...but due to the nature of this forum there is bound to be some heated debate.
Here are 2 rules that I would like all of you to observe.

1) NO FLAMING ...if you can't state your case or refute someone elses case without calling them "stupid" or an "idiot"..etc...Then don't bother posting here. This forum is for intelligent debate, not to try to belittle someone that doesn't think like you. THIS WILL BE STRICTLY ENFORCED ... If you have been warned already, you will receive a temporary ban, if you continue to flame you will be banned permanently...choose your words wisely or suffer the consequences.

2) Although not always possible, when quoting a source please provide a link.

That's it..Basically I am looking to create a more tolerant atmosphere in here...it's not too much to ask. There are many different views and beliefs represented in this forum, more so than any other (with the possible exception of the S & P forum) and we need to be able to communicate our points of view clearly without resorting to petty name calling. We are better than that.


S&P:

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Welcome to the Spirituality and Philosophy forum!
A place where you may express your deepest thoughts within an open community of diverse individuals.
While you post in this forum we ask that you abide by a few simple rules in order to promote the general peace.

1)No Flaming
2)No Baiting
3)Be Respectful
4)Come with an open mind
5)This isn't OTD...keep posts on topic where possible. Off-topic posts will be removed at the mods' discretion.

If you are found to be breaking one of these rules, provoking, insulting, or otherwise disrupting the general harmony and the people of this forum to the discretion of those involved and the moderators.. you will be subject to warning, either public or PM, second time may result in a temporary ban, and third may result in permanent ban, depending on the severity of the scenario. Just think before you post and all will be good


Have a wonderful existence
Peace and Namaste


They basically say the same thing. The PAL bans, as you know, are of chronic flamers and puppets/trolls. Swami is hardly in these categories; he's a longtime cornerstone member who's supposed "offensive" posts are no worse than those that are so common in PAL. So what gives? Why the gross inconsistency?


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Re: Remove Swami's Ban [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
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Huehuecoyotl said:
It dosn't matter to you that someone has been banned for expressing valid ideas?


Please reread my post.

I never said it didn't matter to me. In fact, I didn't say anything about that at all.

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Re: Remove Swami's Ban [Re: Vvellum]
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How exactly are they that different to allow such radically different authoritative decision and action?

Aside from the fact they are two separate forums with two separate topics? They also have different moderator staff involved, so a different viewpoint from that end as well.

They basically say the same thing.

I disagree, for the reasons I've already posted. Two different forums, two different topics.

So what gives? Why the gross inconsistency?

I see no inconsistency. You can't compare apples and oranges, then tell me you're angry about the banana. :smirk:


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Once, men turned their thinking over to machines in the hope that this would set them free.
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Re: Remove Swami's Ban [Re: Vvellum]
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Or, maybe we should just go ahead and apply The Pub's rules to OTD? I mean, you have a point here! I never noticed how incredibly inconsistent the moderation is accross this site!


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