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Unfolding Nature Shop: Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order

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Re: Remove Swami's Ban [Re: trendal]
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As pinky already pointed out, PAL and S&P are two different forums. If you would like to start a blanket policy for the entire site in general, I'll be happy to forward your request to the admins.

The Pub and OTD are two "similar" forums, yet they have wildly different ideas of what can and can not be said in each.



Yes, that is what you both have said - obviously. Now, go back and see my response to pinksharkmark and answer my questions that were overlooked.

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Re: Remove Swami's Ban [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
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I think the problem here is not the admins, I've been an admin, asserting your control isn't all it's made out to be.

Trendal made a decision based on the pressure from people in this forum. I think it was a decision that was not reviewed carefully enough. I have nothing against Trendal or the other mods, I just think one bad decision was made, and needs to be reversed.


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"I have no valid complaint against hustlers. No rational bitch. But the act of selling is repulsive to me. I harbor a secret urge to whack a salesman in the face, crack his teeth and put red bumps around his eyes." -Hunter S Thompson
http://phluck.is-after.us

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Re: Remove Swami's Ban [Re: zorbman]
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And as far as "taking it up with the admins", crikey, which mods originated and pushed this "ban Swami" campaign anyway? Why don't they come out into the light of day and defend their decision instead of hiding in Big Daddy admins' pockets?


exactly.

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Re: Remove Swami's Ban [Re: Phluck]
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I will say quite LARGELY that there was no pressure put on Trendal by myself. We talked in 3 PM's over 20 min. I never asked for a Ban.

Pressure ? I don't think so


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What it is, is what it is my Brother.
It is as it is, so suffer thru it.

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Re: Remove Swami's Ban [Re: Vvellum]
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bi0 said:
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And as far as "taking it up with the admins", crikey, which mods originated and pushed this "ban Swami" campaign anyway? Why don't they come out into the light of day and defend their decision instead of hiding in Big Daddy admins' pockets?


exactly.


READ THE ENTIRE THREAD :thumbup:


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What it is, is what it is my Brother.
It is as it is, so suffer thru it.

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Re: Remove Swami's Ban [Re: Fucknuckle]
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And the people that see Swami for what he is are not here ? It is because you don't see what is happening

Isn't that just a clever way of saying someone is stupid?

I don't necessarily believe you are saying that, but I just want you to see how some people's complaints against Swami are viewed by many here. You didn't come out and say he was stupid, but could you see how it could be taken that way?


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“The crisis takes a much longer time coming than you think, and then it happens much faster than you would have thought.”  -- Rudiger Dornbusch

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Re: Remove Swami's Ban [Re: Fucknuckle]
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They are trigger-happy.

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Re: Remove Swami's Ban [Re: Phluck]
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sorry but i did not make this thread to blame the people for pushing for a ban, lighten up guys, the whole purpose was to state something positive/subjective to get his banning removed. the more the arguing the continues the less likely the mods are going to be less resistant.


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Re: Remove Swami's Ban [Re: Fucknuckle]
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from your position I already said that would seem correct. But from the view point of myself and others I'd say that is exatly what he did.

If Swami's motives are open to interpretation, and if they are debatable as you admit, then why in Hades is someone being banned over that? Shouldn't a ban be used only when someone has clearly violated the rules?

This is just silly.


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“The crisis takes a much longer time coming than you think, and then it happens much faster than you would have thought.”  -- Rudiger Dornbusch

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Re: Remove Swami's Ban [Re: Fucknuckle]
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Have you ever asked yourself why the same people keep posting in here month after month ? And the people that see Swami for what he is are not here ? It is because you don't see what is happening

Here's what is happening.

Philosophy promotes critical thinking and analysis of ideas.
Spirituality promotes faith.

These are two directly conflicting ideals.

Theology promotes faith for some things, but you're allowed to think about the rest of stuff.

Perhaps we should have a Philosophy forum for those who like to think, and a Spirituality and Theology forum for those who like to believe.

Swami, like the rest of us, just likes to share his thoughts and ideas.


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"I have no valid complaint against hustlers. No rational bitch. But the act of selling is repulsive to me. I harbor a secret urge to whack a salesman in the face, crack his teeth and put red bumps around his eyes." -Hunter S Thompson
http://phluck.is-after.us

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Re: Remove Swami's Ban [Re: zorbman]
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Yes I agree but, I did not reffer to anyones personal situations.

Fact is Swami is smarter than most and knows how to do this type of thing.

I just don't go around my life Paranoid. I have built a huge life with many people in it and many partnerships. A person does not make shit up and do what I do. I am in the market to develope people. That is what I do for a living. I am a motivational speaker, A leader, a boss Etc....... I have read many books. I know exactly what Swami does and so does he.


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What it is, is what it is my Brother.
It is as it is, so suffer thru it.

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Re: Remove Swami's Ban [Re: spudamore]
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Here is a recent example Swami's logically infalible posts:

In response to EgoTripping's thread about Antony Flew becomming a theist,

Swami said:
Quote:

1. All people are born atheistic.

2. The guy is old and nearer to facing the end than most. Churches are filled with the elderly.



I'm not sure if the guy deserves getting banned, but IMO his position was weak and predictable and he thought everything he said was unassailable. Despite the fact I think he is wrong about absolutely everything, I haven't read into his nuances deep enough to find any true malicious intent, just stubborness and smugness.


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1. "After an hour I wasn't feeling anything so I decided to take another..."
2. "We were feeling pretty good so we decided to smoke a few bowls..."
3. "I had to be real quiet because my parents were asleep upstairs..."

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Re: Remove Swami's Ban [Re: Fucknuckle]
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I just don't go around my life Paranoid. I have built a huge life with many people in it and many partnerships. A person does not make shit up and do what I do. I am in the market to develope people. That is what I do for a living. I am a motivational speaker, A leader, a boss Etc....... I have read many books. I know exactly what Swami does and so does he.

I don't see how any of these makes it so that you can't occasionally read too far into something. The comment Swami made HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH YOU, and it directly backed up what he was talking about in the thread it appeared in, which had no relation at all to you.

This kind of evidence wouldn't hold up in any court on the planet, and it's silly to use it as the basis for a ban.


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"I have no valid complaint against hustlers. No rational bitch. But the act of selling is repulsive to me. I harbor a secret urge to whack a salesman in the face, crack his teeth and put red bumps around his eyes." -Hunter S Thompson
http://phluck.is-after.us

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Re: Remove Swami's Ban [Re: zorbman]
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zorbman said:
from your position I already said that would seem correct. But from the view point of myself and others I'd say that is exatly what he did.

If Swami's motives are open to interpretation, and if they are debatable as you admit, then why in Hades is someone being banned over that? Shouldn't a ban be used only when someone has clearly violated the rules?

This is just silly.


Because Swami does this type of thing often. That is not up for debate and the reason he was banned. Which can be read in the begining of this thread.


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What it is, is what it is my Brother.
It is as it is, so suffer thru it.

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Re: Remove Swami's Ban [Re: Fucknuckle]
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PLEASE STOP PICKING AT EACH-OTHER. ITS NOT OURSELVES THAT WE NEED TO PICK AT BUT GIVE THE MODS GOOD REASON TO REMOVE SWAMIS BAN!!!!


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Re: Remove Swami's Ban [Re: spudamore]
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Swami has been warned more times than the average Shroomerite for his behavior (Trust me, banning him was the LAST option, everything else had been tried... multiple times). Finally he was banned. His ban will be removed when his time is up.

Someone ALWAYS disagrees with any mod action.

This thread should be moved to WA&F. Swami was banned to reduce drama in S&P, not to provoke it.


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Re: Remove Swami's Ban [Re: Divided_Sky]
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I'm not sure if the guy deserves getting banned, but IMO his position was weak and predictable and he thought everything he said was unassailable. Despite the fact I think he is wrong about absolutely everything, I haven't read into his nuances deep enough to find any true malicious intent, just stubborness and smugness.

It's probably not the best point he's made, but if we're judging people by the strength of their arguments here, there are lots of theists who've done plenty worse.


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"I have no valid complaint against hustlers. No rational bitch. But the act of selling is repulsive to me. I harbor a secret urge to whack a salesman in the face, crack his teeth and put red bumps around his eyes." -Hunter S Thompson
http://phluck.is-after.us

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Re: Remove Swami's Ban [Re: Rose]
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Swami has been warned more times than the average Shroomerite for his behavior

Could someone please provide a genuine example of bad behaviour on the part of Swami?

The whole case against him seems absolutely fabricated.


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"I have no valid complaint against hustlers. No rational bitch. But the act of selling is repulsive to me. I harbor a secret urge to whack a salesman in the face, crack his teeth and put red bumps around his eyes." -Hunter S Thompson
http://phluck.is-after.us

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Re: Remove Swami's Ban [Re: Phluck]
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Phluck said:
I just don't go around my life Paranoid. I have built a huge life with many people in it and many partnerships. A person does not make shit up and do what I do. I am in the market to develope people. That is what I do for a living. I am a motivational speaker, A leader, a boss Etc....... I have read many books. I know exactly what Swami does and so does he.

I don't see how any of these makes it so that you can't occasionally read too far into something. The comment Swami made HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH YOU, and it directly backed up what he was talking about in the thread it appeared in, which had no relation at all to you.

This kind of evidence wouldn't hold up in any court on the planet, and it's silly to use it as the basis for a ban.




Many smart people get away with murder. Your point ? And I say it once again I WAS NOT THE REASON FOR HIS BAN and this one example is not the reason. You insult the people who run this place


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What it is, is what it is my Brother.
It is as it is, so suffer thru it.

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Re: Remove Swami's Ban [Re: Fucknuckle]
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Then what are the reasons, really?
Where are the other examples of things he said that were so bad?


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"I have no valid complaint against hustlers. No rational bitch. But the act of selling is repulsive to me. I harbor a secret urge to whack a salesman in the face, crack his teeth and put red bumps around his eyes." -Hunter S Thompson
http://phluck.is-after.us

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