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Re: Remove Swami's Ban [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
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Who said you complained...thats one I hadn't heard. I was told it was FK. This is like a Witchhunt in reverse.

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Re: Remove Swami's Ban [Re: Fucknuckle]
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ad hominem!


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"I have no valid complaint against hustlers. No rational bitch. But the act of selling is repulsive to me. I harbor a secret urge to whack a salesman in the face, crack his teeth and put red bumps around his eyes." -Hunter S Thompson
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Re: Remove Swami's Ban [Re: Fucknuckle]
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Fucknuckle said:
This is a repeat post from another thread "Anger revisted"

I want to make sure that all of you read it

I was not going to address any of this but I see that it has turn into a great big monster

Brutal logic is not what hurt my feelings. I am way past that lesson. My feelings were hurt by Swami who called me "Brother" more than once in posts and in PM's. Then Swami said somethings to me in public posts that really told me what kind of man he is and what he is capable of and what he really feels. I will give Swami's post that put me past the point of feeling safe and part of a greater community.


SWAMI SAID
Maybe. Child molestors are FORCED to undergo therapy as a part of many programs. To get a lighter sentence or be up for parole, they must participate. In this case, the public confession may merely be a facade and revelatory of no change whatsoever.


Now this post he made within 24 hours of my public confession to growing up sexualy abused, The fact that I was busted with a feloney and let go early etc.... I also was in the middle of confessing and discussing my ping pong battle with God.


Anyway here is a few lines from a large post that I had made only the day before Swamis post.

FUCKNUCKLE SAID
" In fact I came from a very twisted home with abusive parents. I suffered poverty to the highest degree. I was forced into sexual acts with adults. I was forced into drugs at a very young age. I was put in a foster home twice."

"God forgave me and told me that I was not going to spend another day in Jail. Yeah right my bail was set at 75,0000 bucks. Not only did I not spend another day in jail. I never went back. The charges were lowered.etc...."


If you notice in the begining of my post I used the word FORCED a couple of times and this word was important to me while I wrote it.
And was important in Swami post as well. Now this could be debated until the sun comes up that I am reading far to much into this. But I am not. Swami is a master at this type of technique. He has a nasty habit of knowing that 90% of the people are not going to see what he is doing. But 90% of the people he insults and abuses see this because Swami has used this known tech. Swami takes pleasure in this and the fact that most of you seem to not see it or choose to ignore it makes this place no fun. To have Swami insult you anytime he feels like it and denie it because he has good skills is no excuse.

Swami was calling me a liar, a child molester and my confessions and my desire to get feedback as nothing more than fake and weak, with no merit. I'd say he was abusive and extremly insultive.

The truth is I was busted for Drugs and let go because of fouled paperwork, thank God. I went to bible college thru a church long after my law trouble and not some Jail program,Etc.............. I was a very abused Kid who has made a miracules recovery with God and turn his adult life into a life of service and much money. I have alot to give, teach and alot to learn.


I have been called a PUSSY indirectly several times in several threads this past 2 days. That does not bother me in any way. Also I did not ask any Mods to ban Swami. I asked whay he was contuined to be allowed to do this crap. As Trendal has said Swamis's ban was his doing not any one member.

So while Swami is a huge part of this forum he has also been a huge part of pain and judemental assumptions. I have been a closet reader of this forum for 2 years and only in the past 8 months have I started posting. I have not been part of the drama. I can tell you in my experience as a Outside reader Swami is very capable of being NASTY and Mean and finds great pleasure in it. IS this the type behaviour that you will accept ? If it is then maybe my choice to leave it is the right one. I can read from a distance again


I have said my peace and hope all of you grow from it and really try not to keep worshiping Swami and not keep calling the other half of Swami's problems Pussys cowards etc........... That is very child like.

Swami has a real issue to deal with. As do we all.



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What it is, is what it is my Brother.
It is as it is, so suffer thru it.

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Re: Remove Swami's Ban [Re: Fucknuckle]
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If you put your real life out on the net people CAN comment on it. To put yourself out there is foolish. I guard my true life jealously.


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"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda

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Re: Remove Swami's Ban [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
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That is not the point is it ?


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What it is, is what it is my Brother.
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Re: Remove Swami's Ban [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
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Sorry jiggy, I didn't mean to insinuate that it was you who complained to me. As I stated earlier in the thread, the quote from your thread was simply the first one to come up in a quick search!


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Once, men turned their thinking over to machines in the hope that this would set them free.
But that only permitted other men with machines to enslave them.

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Re: Remove Swami's Ban [Re: Fucknuckle]
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So just because swami used the word "forced" in a similar context to how you used it, that means he's directly insulting you?

Now this could be debated until the sun comes up that I am reading far to much into this. But I am not. Swami is a master at this type of technique.

Can you come up with a SINGLE other example of him using this technique?

This seems too farfetched to be even remotely considered accusing you of being a child molester. It certainly looks like what Swami was saying fits directly into the context of whatever point he was making, but you make it a little difficult to check that for ourselves without even providing the thread it came from.


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"I have no valid complaint against hustlers. No rational bitch. But the act of selling is repulsive to me. I harbor a secret urge to whack a salesman in the face, crack his teeth and put red bumps around his eyes." -Hunter S Thompson
http://phluck.is-after.us

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Re: Remove Swami's Ban [Re: Phluck]
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Swami has used certain debunking "references" in the past to prove his points without really dicussing the references to begin with. For example, the imfamous Jonestown Massacre, the cult drinking poisoned Kool-aid and committing mass suicide. He accepts as fact that this is what happened, but he has never discussed the fact that there is now evidence that Jim Jones was a CIA operative and this was actually a murder and not a suicide. You can't take these sort of things and use them as justification of your point of view without further exploring the incident itself. This is like Chirstians who claim the Bible as fact and use it to "prove" their viewpoint.

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Re: Remove Swami's Ban [Re: Fucknuckle]
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You are paranoid to think that Swami is manipulating your mind. You have no self control?


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"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda

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Re: Remove Swami's Ban [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
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Huehuecoyotl said:
Who said you complained...thats one I hadn't heard. I was told it was FK.


Looner is having reading comprehension problems today and looking to add fuel to dry elements of an already out of control fire here.


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Ahuwale ka nane huna.

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Re: Remove Swami's Ban [Re: Shroomism]
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trendal is not fabricating anything when he says that many S&P members have stopped posting in this forum altogether because they feel that they cannot express themselves without having their threads and ideas ripped apart.



Listen Shroomism, open discussion means being free to initiate and continue a conversation of topic. What you overlook is that open discussion does not mean a lack of criticism, in fact, true open discussion always creates the opportunity for it. Those who actually wish to engage in open discussion should expect to be met with criticism if their beliefs do not stand up to the laws of logic. One should expect the chance of their beliefs being "ripped apart" if they engage in such discussion, no?

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Constructive debate is always encouraged, but condescending character bashing is not.



What is the ratio of constructive debate to "condescending character bashing" in regards to Swami? I am sure the all of these supposed instances of "condescending character bashing" are lost in a see of constructive debate, probably like most regulars here. I do not see why you personally single Swami out - I do have my theories though, but I will not post them out of fear of being accused of flaming you or being banned myself (how's that for "being afraid of posting one's beliefs").

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Personally, I have nothing against Swami. I also see him as a valuable contributor and a good person at heart.. however that does not mean he is above the rules and can belittle the members here.



At least be consistent then. Like I have pointed out, such supposedly "offensive" posts similiar to Swami's happen all the time in PAL - the forum that is most similar to S&P. Are you also willing to ban all those PAL regulars (probably a majority) who do as Swami does?

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Re: Remove Swami's Ban [Re: Phluck]
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Do you think my one complant resulted in Swamis banning ?

Think again and go back and read Trendal posts


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What it is, is what it is my Brother.
It is as it is, so suffer thru it.

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Re: Remove Swami's Ban [Re: trendal]
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"the quote from your thread was simply the first one to come up in a quick search!"

So, you were actively searching for a reason to ban him?? Jiggy has indicated that she did not want your assistance...so this IS a witch hunt...for skeptics.


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"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda

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Re: Remove Swami's Ban [Re: Phluck]
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OK, I looked it up, Swami's quote there is in response to this from trendal:


"Well I would think that a public confession indicates that one has admitted their mistakes, and not only to themselves. "

In that case, he's simply pointing out that some people are forced to confess publicly, and that this doesn't necessarily mean that they've admitted the problems to themselves. Child molesters are the only people I can think of that have to do this, and "forced" is the word that makes the most sense in that context.

It's a huge leap to say that Swami was attacking you with that post.


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"I have no valid complaint against hustlers. No rational bitch. But the act of selling is repulsive to me. I harbor a secret urge to whack a salesman in the face, crack his teeth and put red bumps around his eyes." -Hunter S Thompson
http://phluck.is-after.us

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Re: Remove Swami's Ban [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
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Huehuecoyotl said:
You are paranoid to think that Swami is manipulating your mind. You have no self control?

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Wrong I do not have that habit not now or ever. Swami has not manipualted my mind and you don't understand my point. :rolleyes:


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What it is, is what it is my Brother.
It is as it is, so suffer thru it.

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Re: Remove Swami's Ban [Re: Vvellum]
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At least be consistent then. Like I have pointed out, such supposedly "offensive" posts similiar to Swami's happen all the time in PAL - the forum that is most similar to S&P. Are you also willing to ban all those PAL regulars (probably a majority) who do as Swami does?

As pinky already pointed out, PAL and S&P are two different forums. If you would like to start a blanket policy for the entire site in general, I'll be happy to forward your request to the admins.

The Pub and OTD are two "similar" forums, yet they have wildly different ideas of what can and can not be said in each.


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Once, men turned their thinking over to machines in the hope that this would set them free.
But that only permitted other men with machines to enslave them.

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Re: Remove Swami's Ban [Re: Fucknuckle]
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Do you think my one complant resulted in Swamis banning ?

Think again and go back and read Trendal posts

I know there have been multiple complaints. In this thread I've seen two examples of so called "offending posts", and neither of them seem to be anything bad at all.

I don't think sheer volume of complaints is a good reason to ban someone. If someone goes through life without making a single enemy, they're doing something wrong.

The complaints should be responded to based on their merit. I haven't seen any valid complaint yet.


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"I have no valid complaint against hustlers. No rational bitch. But the act of selling is repulsive to me. I harbor a secret urge to whack a salesman in the face, crack his teeth and put red bumps around his eyes." -Hunter S Thompson
http://phluck.is-after.us

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Re: Remove Swami's Ban [Re: trendal]
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"If you would like to start a blanket policy for the entire site in general, I'll be happy to forward your request to the admins."

That would give you even more room to assert your control...you should love that.


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"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda

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Re: Remove Swami's Ban [Re: Vvellum]
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Shroomism is just upset over being chided by Swami for welching on that Planet Nibiru bet. And trendal is upset with Swami because they mixed it up good over the last few weeks in posts. j/k  :grin: Our mods did not make this decision on personal grounds. I repeat: Our mods did NOT make this decision on personal grounds.  :yesnod:

And as far as "taking it up with the admins", crikey, which mods originated and pushed this "ban Swami" campaign anyway? Why don't they come out into the light of day and defend their decision instead of hiding in Big Daddy admins' pockets?


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“The crisis takes a much longer time coming than you think, and then it happens much faster than you would have thought.”  -- Rudiger Dornbusch

Edited by zorbman (12/13/04 03:06 PM)

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Re: Remove Swami's Ban [Re: Phluck]
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Phluck said:
It's a huge leap to say that Swami was attacking you with that post.


It is ?

from your position I already said that would seem correct. But from the view point of myself and others I'd say that is exatly what he did. Not only has he done this type of thing to me a few times he has done this type of thing to many many people many times ?

Have you ever asked yourself why the same people keep posting in here month after month ? And the people that see Swami for what he is are not here ? It is because you don't see what is happening


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