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InvisibleLakimada
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    #3276965 - 10/25/04 10:23 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

if drugs are so consciousness expanding, and so enlightening why do you all keep going back to it, just to experience the enlightening state??? when you can acheive that and much more using your mind with out any toxins in your body...

i know where i am, so please don't ask me if i know where i am at.


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Re: drugs [Re: Lakimada]
    #3276975 - 10/25/04 10:26 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

why do you do anything?

it it not what you did? it is what you do?


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Re: drugs [Re: Lakimada]
    #3276984 - 10/25/04 10:27 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Who said they were "toxins"?? :wink:


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Re: drugs [Re: trendal]
    #3276988 - 10/25/04 10:28 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

they are mostly classed as toxins


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Re: drugs [Re: Lakimada]
    #3276993 - 10/25/04 10:29 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

isn't coffey?


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Re: drugs [Re: trendal]
    #3276996 - 10/25/04 10:30 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

even perfect clarity is a passing phase.

if you believe you have that perfect consciousness already, ALL the time than something is amiss.

why not act upon yourself to achieve clarity whenever you desire? and have some color fun!


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Re: drugs [Re: Lakimada]
    #3277002 - 10/25/04 10:32 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

"i know where i am, so please don't ask me if i know where i am at. "

lol what does that mean?

but yeah some drugs, primarily ehtneogens, are indeed conciousness expanding by almost any definition of the term. THey expand the borders of perception and cognition to an incredible degree, and can open up the user to thoughts and revelations beyond those encounterd in daily life.

Why does the user have to keep going back? well he doesnt. Once the lesson has been lurned, the experiences benefit can stay with you for a long time (or at least some of it) . However, some people choose to make periodic returns to this state of mind for various reasons, to renew wonder in life, seek out new and different visions, lessons and experiences, to resolve internal issues or conflicts, or just to experience the sublime pleasures these drugs often provide.

As for your claim that you can do all that and more without drugs, id call that a half truth. It is true that drugs are NOT the only way to alter conciousness, meditation, dreaming, fasting, drumming, trauma, etc can all induce different states of or perceptions of reality.

However, the only way to have the unique experience of doing magic mushrooms, is to do magic mushrooms. Like it or not, you cannot have that experience with just your mind. You can have different, equa;lly or even more awesome experiences sure, but not the same one.

Same goes for LSD, peyote, HBWR, salvia, whatever

I guess me thought is, i can do drugs, and have those experiences, and i can lucid dream and have OBE's, and i can meditate and do yoga and whatever else i want, why limit myself?

each experience is unique and has its own unique value

DRUGS ARE GOOD< AND WHEN YOU DO EM PEOPLE THINK THAT YOUR COOL!

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Re: drugs [Re: Todcasil]
    #3277004 - 10/25/04 10:32 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

some times, when smokeing constant for a week, like constant!..
might not just sobernes it self be by defenition a drug if it was to be unlegalized? :P


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Re: drugs [Re: Gomp]
    #3277021 - 10/25/04 10:37 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Why does the user have to keep going back? well he doesnt. Once the lesson has been lurned, the experiences benefit can stay with you for a long time (or at least some of it) . However, some people choose to make periodic returns to this state of mind for various reasons, to renew wonder in life, seek out new and different visions, lessons and experiences, to resolve internal issues or conflicts, or just to experience the sublime pleasures these drugs often provide.

but isn't that just creating another illusion on top of others???


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Re: drugs [Re: Lakimada]
    #3277048 - 10/25/04 10:42 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

if you have a bike, you can ride it. using it only for pleasure offcourse. if you on the other hand newer got a bike, or learnd to ride it. well. o0? thats just that isent it :wink:
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Re: drugs [Re: Gomp]
    #3277065 - 10/25/04 10:44 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

?????????


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Re: drugs [Re: Lakimada]
    #3277079 - 10/25/04 10:46 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

some ride bikes or roller coasters? some do drugs or exhibition?


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Re: drugs [Re: Lakimada]
    #3277084 - 10/25/04 10:47 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

"they are mostly classed as toxins"

If you speak of entheogens, they are not widely known to be toxic. LSD, Psilocybin, Mescaline, and DMT have very high maximum doses. The overdose dose of LSD is known to be far beyond what any human has consumed. The same holds true for Psilocybin, and Mescaline requires 7 to 10 grams to become fatal. There are household spices that are more dangerous than this physically. There is risk of psychological damage, though, if the person in unprepared. As for spiritual enlightenment...there are many paths to the center. I feel that entheogens can give you a workable roadmap if used sparingly and under the proper set and setting. As one progresses the need for these substances wanes.


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Re: drugs [Re: Gomp]
    #3277094 - 10/25/04 10:49 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

i say... it is all an illusion.

so who cares which illusion you pick?

your picking is only an illusion.

your deciding not to do drugs is only an illusion.



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Re: drugs [Re: Todcasil]
    #3277120 - 10/25/04 10:55 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

isn't that just an illusion that you say all is an illusion???


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Re: drugs [Re: Lakimada]
    #3277155 - 10/25/04 11:05 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Not the ones I use...


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Re: drugs [Re: trendal]
    #3277751 - 10/26/04 01:56 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

you must use those "hard" drugs...

BUT back on topic (hopefully)


yes me saying this is an illusion, the grand illusion. the grand illusion of reality, self and other selves.


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Re: drugs [Re: Todcasil]
    #3277795 - 10/26/04 02:08 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

but isn't it an illusion, thinking that everything is an illusion????


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Re: drugs [Re: Lakimada]
    #3277956 - 10/26/04 03:40 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

is it even worth considering or thinking of it as an illusion? what is the point of even classifying it as that if that is all it is. you're just making 'life' and 'illusion' synonymous.


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Re: drugs [Re: chucksteak]
    #3277980 - 10/26/04 03:52 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

don't see how


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