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Re: drugs [Re: Lakimada]
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but isn't it an illusion, thinking that .... ?


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Re: drugs [Re: Gomp]
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yah, the illusion thought just loops back on itself... like, my desire for this is an illusion, therefore I will squelch the desire. Hmm, now here I am, my squelching the desire, was that an illusion too? What about what i just said, is that an illusion? What's an illusion? Are illusions illusions? It's like a dog chasing his own tail.


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Re: drugs [Re: NariusFractal]
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"illusions is illusions" ((is)) the illusion? :P
the dog bites his tail? :P


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Re: drugs [Re: Gomp]
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"What about what i just said, is that an illusion? What's an illusion? Are illusions illusions? It's like a dog chasing his own tail."

Be quiet and listen :laugh:


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Re: drugs [Re: deff]
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Lakimada, why do you concern yourself with the actions of others if it has no effects on your life whatsoever?

The answer to your first question cannot be described with words. I know the answer, and so do many others on this message board.

Maybe you should eat the fruits which were created for you, and maybe then, you'll get your answer.

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Re: drugs [Re: Lakimada]
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If you have no desire to try entheogens that is all well and good, BUT I don't think you will not be successful pressing your point here. I have marginal agreement with your core thesis there, but that won't cause me to change my mind. Entheogens certainly aren't necessary, but they aren't quite the evil or even endangerment to health that you may think.

Edited by Huehuecoyotl (10/26/04 02:46 PM)

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Re: drugs [Re: vc77]
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Maybe you should eat the fruits which were created for you, and maybe then, you'll get your answer.

thats funny, you assumed that i haven't tried.

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Re: drugs [Re: Lakimada]
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Entheogens certainly aren't necessary, but they aren't quite the evil or even endangerment to health that you may think.

never said they were

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Re: drugs [Re: Lakimada]
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"you assumed that i haven't tried"

Never said you didn't.


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Re: drugs [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
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I never said you haven't tried them. YOU assumed.

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Re: drugs [Re: vc77]
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Read wrong post


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"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda

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Re: drugs [Re: vc77]
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Welcome to the philosophical paradox about drugs.

I title it as the "drug issue".

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Re: drugs [Re: Tag_Number]
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Dogma is always biting its tail.

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Re: drugs [Re: Tag_Number]
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"but isn't that just creating another illusion on top of others???"

um no, its having another beautifull experience, learning another lesson , taking another voyage. None of it is 'illusory'

it happens, its good, and its memory is as true as any memory of my entire life.

If you want to know why people do these drugs, i told you. If you want to keep saying 'thats just an illusion'

than your going to have a hard time with life, cuz wake up sister, its ALL AN ILLUSION


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Re: drugs [Re: Moonshoe]
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Moonshoe said:
DRUGS ARE GOOD< AND WHEN YOU DO EM PEOPLE THINK THAT YOUR COOL!

:eek:


And they make you feel like you know you not should! Good song..

But seriously, I think that people return to drugs because they are fun and enjoyable. It's all about how you look at them. If you look at them as some kind of forbidden tool, and that you need to make the best of them and then get rid of them, then I think that's a bad way to look at it.

Just enjoy them and get what you can out of them. They will never give you all the answers, or even the majority of them.


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Re: drugs [Re: Moonshoe]
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Maybe you should eat the fruits which were created for you, and maybe then, you'll get your answer...

just that statement says that i don't do them...

"but isn't that just creating another illusion on top of others???"
um no, its having another beautifull experience, learning another lesson , taking another voyage. None of it is 'illusory'
it happens, its good, and its memory is as true as any memory of my entire life.
If you want to know why people do these drugs, i told you. If you want to keep saying 'thats just an illusion'
than your going to have a hard time with life, cuz wake up sister, its ALL AN ILLUSION

i think a person will have a harder time thinking all is an illusion because if they lived that statenebt they wouldn't be here.
i have never learned anything that i already know. every experience has been like a grain of sand on the beach no matter how much i took.
no matter how much you say a cat is an illusion its not going to become something else or that it is something else.
thinking all is an illusion is running away from responsibility of life. also you wouldn't learn any lessons, nothing would be beautiful.

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Re: drugs [Re: Lakimada]
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People go back to certain drugs not because they are fun, but because they are addictive as hell :lol:


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Re: drugs [Re: Lakimada]
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Hey Lakimada, aren't you satisfied with the answer Moonshoe provided you? Cuz to me it seemed you kinda disregarded what he had to say just because it doesn't fit with your own point of view.

IMO, you're not gonna get a better answer to your question which basically can be resumed as follows: "Why use drugs instead of not using drugs?"
Its all about the nature of experience. To quote Moonshoe: "the only way to have the unique experience of doing magic mushrooms, is to do magic mushrooms". Shrooms are an expeience in themselves, and even though they can have similarities on the spiritual side with what can be achieved without drugs, the shroom experience is UNIQUE (and its different every time too  :grin: ).


Have you ever wondered how a rabbit sees reality? Or a dolphin? Try to even imagine how much the dolphin's reality is different than yours (BTW, The dolphin is the animal that has the biggest brain relative to body size), and now, try to realize how much you could learn one from another if you could share  these different perceptions of reality.

Every day since you were born, your senses, that are the roots of human experience, have lead you to have a limited perception of reality. Imagine if one day during this life, you could get a different angle of observation on yourself, your life, society and the universe...
on my last trip i was tellin my friend that i was a mushroom. That's because, assuming plants have some sort of consciousness, I was plunged into the shroom's perception of reality. This might seem a bit farfetched, but all in all, i just want to say that i don't see why one would discredit the shroom experience.

Its really a sacred gift.



And anyway, do you think most of us have time to practice spirituality enough to be able to get even near the degree of enlightened state you reach when shroomin?

If we did have enough time, that would mean we wouldn't be working our ass off long enough to gain a sufficient amount of dollars to be able to sustain in this Western society. Hey, guess what, surprisingly enough, living in this rich society does have its flaws!

We're trapped, I gotta get out of this prison. Care to join me?


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Re: drugs [Re: exclusive58]
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i have had experience that of shrooms without being on them and more...so if a person can acheive this or know they can acheive this why go back to them????

Every day since you were born, your senses, that are the roots of human experience, have lead you to have a limited perception of reality. Imagine if one day during this life, you could get a different angle of observation on yourself, your life, society and the universe...

limited perception of reality?? i beleive not...

And anyway, do you think most of us have time to practice spirituality enough to be able to get even near the degree of enlightened state you reach when shroomin?

i do not practice spirituality i live it everyday yes even in this western society and the state has been acheived many times without ethnogens or any type of drug for that matter...

We're trapped, I gotta get out of this prison. Care to join me?

i am already gone....

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Re: drugs [Re: Moonshoe]
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I guess me thought is, i can do drugs, and have those experiences, and i can lucid dream and have OBE's, and i can meditate and do yoga and whatever else i want, why limit myself?

each experience is unique and has its own unique value


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