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InvisibleFloydian
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American Media
    #327341 - 05/27/01 09:04 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

I've always known that American media is very selective and narrow on what it shows us Americans, but I had no idea how much news and things don't ever get paid attention to. I've been in London the past month and I have occassionally watched the news. Most of the stories/issues I have never even heard of. like when I showed up there was the big May Day protests against capitalism. i had no idea that there was this sort of Anti-american/anticapitalist sentiment in Britain. We are the capitalist pigs who want to give al the power to corporations in many europeans eyes. Also the elections going on here are almost never talked about in america. I learned that italy just elected the head of a huge media company as there president. Thats got to be bad. I was also surpised to see how much attention that was paid towards american politics and news. Almost every news report had something in it about America. I didn't trust the media before but now I'll never believe anything it tells me.

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Re: American Media [Re: Floydian]
    #327701 - 05/28/01 10:04 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

Its easy to say our media is corrupt (and lord knows it is) but how corrupt is ANY media really?? I mean, how do you know that the news you are watching over there isn't complete bs too? Or anywhere else for that matter. Odds are there is some biasey in any news you watch anywhere on earth, the trick is to 'read between the headlines' and separate what is just mindless propaganda with what is good information.

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Re: American Media [Re: Floydian]
    #327730 - 05/28/01 11:55 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah that's a good point. i wondered that as I watched the BBC and the like. I'm positive that they were biased to some point of view. it just surprised me the amount of stuff that was reported that we never hear about in the states.

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Re: American Media [Re: Floydian]
    #327805 - 05/28/01 02:14 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

I believe America is just as heavily propagandized and indoctrinated as the old Soviet Union, if not more. Instead of State-owned and operated media outlets that misinform the public, delete information, and create stories in order to justify the actions of the so-called Communist Party, the American corporate-owned and operated media has an agenda to keep profits rolling in for their owners and advertising business partners and to justify their increasing domination of, well, the planet. This manifests itself in the same fashion as the Soviet Union (misinformation, half-stories, and manufactured news).

NBC is owned by General Electric - one of the world's largest arms manufacturers. The news presented on NBC is incredibly supportive of U.S. militarism because of their profit-agenda, often to the point of downright blind support of all U.S. military intervention. The news becomes incredibly one-sided and from the direct perspective of the State Department, Department of Defense, Pentagon, etc. They rarely, if ever show other perspectives, or even go into details on these military situations, showing all sides because it is contrary to their profit-agendas. They rarely cover dissent, and when they do, it either comes in the form of eight second soundbites that are taken completely out of context or it is highly sensationalized and watered-down. And then they cut to a few commericals, and then its the weather and sports and more commericals. Also important to note is the tabloidization of mass media - it's one Monica Lewinsky story after another, completely ignoring the real scandals of corporations/government and, in this case, the real reasons Clinton should have been impeached.

Sensationalized and watered-down? For example: I actually did see corporate coverage of the May Day events throughout Europe. All they showed was the highly sensational clashes and street-battles from the perspective of the European police, not the reasons people were out there or the perspective of those protesting. They interviewed, of course, an officer of a riot-control squad and then cut to a statement by Tony Blair (in each case, they condemned the activists). They did not interview those who were actually involved. Any real, non-agenda institute of journalism would have shown both sides for the sake of informing and enriching the public. Instead the public is left with - Damn, those morons have nothing better to do. I hope the police beat 'em up.

Why wouldnt they show both sides of these issues? Well, they dont want to commit suicide. Look at what happened last time they broadcasted dissent and opposition to U.S. militarism - the mass uprising during the 1960's. The American public now will not be shown such graphic and detailed reports of events. It is too risky for the corporations in charge, just the same as it was too risky for the Communist Party to give real information to the populations for fear of them realizing how fucked up the USSR was. The owners and operators of media have too much to gain economically in such military conflicts to allow people to see the truth, in effect risking public backlash and an end to their profit.

The corporate news media is a jingoism factory. Remember the Gulf War? Remember Kosovo? Ask any American their opinion on what happened and their answer will be identical to that of what was presented by the corporate media. And then ask them if they know the background of the situations and the sources of these conflicts. They will usually draw a blank and then say something to the effect of - we are the good guys and there are these bad guys who were doing bad things as always so we bombed them and saved the day and everything is just fine because we are the good guys. USA! USA! And then when you challenge their perspective, they will become quite defensive and say on cue No, I always read between the lines and I am critical about the media that I absorb. I'm a free-thinker. What are you a commie? America is the land of the free!

There was a study that I read about recently; essentially it concluded Those who watch the corporate news primarily know less about world affairs than those who do not. And this is exactly where big business and their subordinates in government want the public - as ill-informed, ignorant patriots that would rather go to the mall than challenge their overwhelming power structures, but will blindly support U.S. action when a conflict breaks out. Yellow Ribbon Uber Alles.

In the freest press on Earth, humanity is reported in terms of its usefulness to US
power
by
John Pilger


Long before the Soviet Union broke up, a group of
Russian writers touring the United States were
astonished to find, after reading the newspapers and
watching television, that almost all the opinions on all
the vital issues were the same. "In our country," said
one of them, "to get that result we have a dictatorship.
We imprison people. We tear out their fingernails.
Here you have none of that. How do you do it? What's
the secret?"

The secret is a form of censorship more insidious
than a totalitarian state could ever hope to achieve.
The myth is the opposite. Constitutional freedoms
unmatched anywhere else guard against censorship;
the press is a "fourth estate", a watchdog on
democracy. The journalism schools boast this
reputation, the influential East Coast press is
especially proud of it, epitomised by the liberal paper
of record, the New York Times, with its masthead
slogan: "All the news that's fit to print."

It takes only a day or two back in the US to be
reminded of how deep state censorship runs. It is
censorship by omission, and voluntary. The source of
most Americans' information, mainstream television,
has been reduced to a set of marketing images shot
and edited to the rhythms of a Coca-Cola commercial
that flow seamlessly into the actual commercials.
Rupert Murdoch's Fox network is the model, with its
peep-shows of human tragedy. Non-American human
beings are generally ignored, or treated with an
anthropological curiosity reserved for wildlife
documentaries.

Not long ago, Kenneth Jarecke was talking about this
censorship. Jarecke is the American photographer
who took the breath-catching picture of an Iraqi burnt
to a blackened cinder, petrified at the wheel of his
vehicle on the Basra Road where he, and hundreds of
others, were massacred by American pilots on their
infamous "turkey shoot" at the end of the Gulf war. In
the United States, Jarecke's picture was suppressed
for months after what was more a slaughter than a
war. "The whole US press collaborated in keeping
silent about the consequences of that war," he said.

The famous CBS anchorman Dan Rather told his
prime-time audience: "There's one thing we can all
agree on. It's the heroism of the 148 Americans who
gave their lives so that freedom could live." What he
omitted to say was that a quarter of them had been
killed, like their British comrades, by other Americans.
He made no mention of the Iraqi dead, put at 200,000
by the Medical Educational Trust. That American
forces had deliberately bombed civilian infrastructure,
such as water treatment plants, was not reported at
the time. Six months later, one newspaper, Newsday,
published in Long Island, New York, disclosed that
three US brigades "used snow plows mounted on
tanks to bury thousands of Iraqi soldiers - some still
alive - in more than 70 miles of trenches".

The other day, both the Washington Post and the
New York Times referred to Iraq without mentioning
the million people now estimated to have died as a
direct result of sanctions imposed, via the UN, by the
United States and Britain. That, writes Brian Michael
Goss of the University of Illinois, is standard practice.
Goss examined 630 articles on sanctions published
in the New York Times from 1996 to 1998. In those
three years, just 20 articles - 3 per cent of the
coverage - were critical of the policy or dwelt upon its
civilian impact. The rest reflected the US official line,
identifying 21 million people with Saddam Hussein.
The scale of the censorship is placed in perspective
by Professors John and Karl Mueller, of the University
of Rochester. "Even if the UN estimates of the human
damage to Iraq are roughly correct," they write,
sanctions have caused "the deaths of more people in
Iraq than have been slain by all so-called weapons of
mass destruction throughout history."

A third of the people of East Timor were put to death
by the Suharto dictatorship during Indonesia's 24-year
occupation. Yet the American media skirted this epic
crime until shortly before the 1999 referendum. Their
silence was in striking contrast to the saturation
coverage of the "genocide" in Kosovo, used to justify
the Nato bombing campaign, and was in line with
suppression of the post-bombing disclosure that
there was no genocide. In East Timor, the United
States helped Suharto execute his invasion, secretly
and illegally, with weapons and aircraft. For most of
the 24 years of bloody occupation, the US media
maintained a virtual blackout on East Timor.

In the freest press on earth, humanity is reported in
terms of its usefulness to American power. Kosovo
was a major story; it demonstrated the "credibility" of
Nato and America's control over the Balkans. East
Timor was a non-story, "a road bump on the way to
Indonesia", according to a State Department official.
In a study of the New York Times and Washington
Post cited by Goss, 75 per cent of the sources were
government officials - a record not that far behind the
old Pravda. Truly independent reporters such as
Seymour Hersh are described, revealingly, as
"dissidents" and "advocates". What is most telling is
the media's presumption of innocence of the
rapacious American imperial role, rather like
Hollywood's post-Vietnam celebration of America as a
noble victim. In a lead editorial recently, the New York
Times identified the problems of the world, ranging
from poverty to terrorism to disease, as "challenges
to American safety and well-being". That the United
States consumes a quarter of the world's resources,
controls the channels of world trade and the
institutions of inequality, and squeezes whole nations,
such as Iraq, to death, is simply not news.

"The most powerful weapon in the hands of the oppressor is the mind of the oppressed." ~ Stephen Biko

Edited by Agent Cooper on 05/28/01 05:43 PM.



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Re: American Media [Re: Agent Cooper]
    #327997 - 05/28/01 05:55 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)









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Re: American Media [Re: Agent Cooper]
    #328249 - 05/28/01 10:48 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

Agent, i find your positions on all the different subjects interesting and you make great points, but i have a few questions... do you actually live in america? and you seem to be really liberal some of the time, but then other times you trash the gov't just as bad.. where exactly do you stand?



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Re: American Media [Re: Floydian]
    #328381 - 05/29/01 01:28 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

It is amazing how little of the world most US news shows cover. I've been watching BBC America (DirecTV has it... dunno about other local cable providers). BBCA news still devotes a good 1/3 of the show to US matters. Another cool thing is that they only play commercials before and after the news... not during.

The lack of good news in America might not neccissarily be a big corporate conspiracy. It might be part of it though, really is Disney gonna badmouth itself on its own news? But it comes down to ratings and getting good paying commercials for the allmighty dollar. A lot of people think that the anti-WTO demonstrators are a buncha crackpots and dope-smokin' hippies. People would rather watch a 2 minute segment of cops throwing tear gas at the few rowdy folks then hear the demonstrators' side of the story. When news is going for the biggest demographic its better not to make waves so you don't turn off viewers.

I really wish there were more TV news shows that covered good topics, not just gossipy stuff like the Lewinsky/Clinton problem. None of that stuff really matters time would be better spent covering things that actually effect my life.

Well.. thats my 2 cents worth



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Re: American Media [Re: Floydian]
    #328459 - 05/29/01 03:03 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

The BBC is as left biased as it's American counterparts. Canadian media is also VERY propaganda laced. However, the propaganda is of a different style or agenda in each country.

***i had no idea that there was this sort of Anti-american/anticapitalist sentiment in Britain.***

Who helps form that opinion?

I was watching Junkyard Wars, I think it's produced by the BBC. Anyway, there was an American team competing against the British team. The American's were using calculators, and small computers, largely ignoring the expert on the subject that was there to help them. The British were using a pencil and paper, the pencil had gotten lost.

The host's started to make remark's about how the American's were working. To sum that up, it basically read: "typical bloody American's" The snide remarks about American ideosyncracies and even way of life continued throughout the whole show. There was definetely strong anti-american sentiment, it was very obvious.

When it got to competition time, the American's submarine went through the course well, and the lovely host tried to screw them out of the win by saying they were cheating and deducting points. You don't see that on gameshows often.

Anyway, I'm sort of rambling, but if that's the light that we're ALWAYS shown in, I can see why the British might dislike us.

As has been said, the news is tied to ratings. It's sad the stories that most American's want to see, huh?





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Re: American Media [Re: Agent Cooper]
    #328462 - 05/29/01 03:14 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

Most American's DON'T want to hear any of that. That's another reason why you don't hear it. If they DID here it, they wouldn't believe. Sad, but true.

We DO have the freest press on earth. You just have to know where to find it.

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Re: American Media [Re: 'Pulse]
    #330570 - 05/31/01 12:29 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

yes, I reside in the heart of the beast :)

I consider myself a libertarian socialist, meaning I oppose
coercive, artifical authority
government
social hierarchy
and especially capitalism.

In the spirit of Spain 1936, I believe in self-management of industry/workplace
via anarcho-syndicalist trade unions and
non-authoritarian agarian and industrial collectives. I support
direct democracy - decisions made by those who
are directly affected/involved in the situation at hand.
I demand real freedom and real democracy and real equality.

I suppose you could consider me a leftist, however, I try to
avoid the usual trappings of the liberals. Liberals, in my opinion,
are just as cancerous as the conservatives.



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Re: American Media [Re: MOoKie]
    #330595 - 05/31/01 12:52 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

Yes, by and large, America does have some measure of freedom - much more than some countries for sure.
I do not see this, however, as something to become relaxed and complacent with. We have an opportunity to take liberty to the next level.

I believe most Americans - or humans, for that matter - deep down want truth and accuracy in the media; who wants lies, fluff, and manufactured news-stories? The problem is most of us do not know this problem exists because we are so bombarded with "official information" and commericals. Most people are too damn busy trying to feed their family to really examine and challenge these structures.

Free press? yes and no.

Anyone, provided they have the resources and time, can start a newspaper or post information on the internet. Bottom-Up media outlets such as
the Independent Media Center (which is essentially a grassroots method of reporting where anyone can report or post an article) is a great example of free press.

Radio is another story. Independent radio stations, often demonized as pirate radio, are practically illegal in America. But if you head over to Europe, "community radio" is quite common. The only way to make it on the airwaves without being a celebrity or a politican is to either break the law and fear the FCC fining/imprisoning you
or to pay off the corporate-owned station with alot of money most of us do not have. In this case, free speech is anything but free - more like $30,000 per hour speech.
http://www.freeradio.org = a great resource for community radio/anti-FCC information.

And of course, television is even worse - even harder for the average citizen to utiltize in order to speak their mind.
I do not mean public tv - I am talking about the networks that used to be owned by the people before they were handed over to the modern day robber-barons. $90,000 dollar speech.

Edited by Agent Cooper on 05/31/01 12:59 PM.



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Re: American Media [Re: Agent Cooper]
    #330815 - 05/31/01 05:39 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

damn coop, great posts. how did you get into such politically active thought? and what day-job are you wasting your intellect on?



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Re: American Media [Re: jihead]
    #336539 - 06/06/01 10:41 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

lol
lots of jello biafra & crass records as a kid heh.

I kidnap CEOs for a living - so no worry mate.




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    #337080 - 06/07/01 03:56 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

ahhh crass, they would be great if their musicianship wasnt so damned terrible. and how do you know im not a CEO?



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