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 Droz
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 No control. 
#324980 - 05/24/01 10:26 AM (23 years, 10 months ago) |
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If you have never thought about something happening, does it exist in your mind?
Now if you grow up watching television what is being played out in your mind? The television? If you watched alot of cartoons, is it not creating a false reality for you to think about?
So all you are doing is thinking about something that isn't even real. Think about how your emotions change when something dangerous happens, or someone dies. Does it not control your mind?
Do people that gaze into it for hours at a time not see this? Well of course not they are too busy thinking about the star trek episode they are watching and where the story is leading.
Can anyone see an underlining theme to everything you watch on a screen? Why do people make movies? What are commercials for? Why do people on the screen wear what they do?
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the universe
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 Re: No control. [Re: Droz]
#325027 - 05/24/01 11:36 AM (23 years, 10 months ago) |
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Wo dude, are you trippin'?
"If a man has character, he has also his typical experience, which always recurs."-Nietzche
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gribochek
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Re: No control. [Re: Droz]
#325034 - 05/24/01 11:41 AM (23 years, 10 months ago) |
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The TV is prosthetic attention. When you watch TV somebody else (the crew that shot the particular thing you are watching) has desided for you which things you will be looking at in each moment of time. Think how powerful this is!For the time you watch TV you simply become that person _who_would_have_ manipulated his attention in the way TV does for you. Eventually you become that person in everyday life, take on his habits and values.
The underlying theme of TV is keeping your own control of attention in submission for as long as possible. This is done to teach you to be that person who wants to buy a car, or make money, or hate drugs or vote for Clinton. Quite amazing, insn't it? Of the things people around you do and say, how many are their own, and how many are their TV-watcher-personality's?
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Droz
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Re: No control. [Re: gribochek]
#325047 - 05/24/01 12:04 PM (23 years, 10 months ago) |
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gribochek- exactly!
Commercials
Money
Story
Control
Money
What is every commercial trying to do? Sell you something.
When people make commercials the intent is to catch your attention better than the others. So basically putting you in a trance so you remember their product. Anyone see how lame commercials have gotten?
the universe- the trip of my life
I can see even deeper... the clothes that people where in movies. The glasses in The Matrix that Neo was wearing. The stories they try and sell you. "Based on a true story." What does it mean to be based on something?
gribochek- that is another thing i can see it doing, changing people's personalities.
** Danger ** Watching too much comedy central can change your personality. Would any viewer of a comedy show take that personally? Nope. They would laugh. Just like the tv show wants them to do. Laugh.
Jerry Springer makes people think just the way it wants them too. Ever watch it? Just like soap operas. These television shows make people think that this stuff is really happening. Also makes them react in the same way! They show a problem. They also show a solution. So what kind of solution do you think the tv watchers come to when they are faced with the same problem.
What you see is what you get.
You are getting just what they want you to see.
Think.
Peace,
Droz
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gribochek
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Re: No control. [Re: Droz]
#325077 - 05/24/01 12:54 PM (23 years, 10 months ago) |
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So, Droz, whatchawannado? Educate the population (TV is the only way to do that, remember)? Destroy TV? Yell and shout on every corner? Boycot TV? I hate to tell you. I have been through this discussion a million times, the only good you can get out of it is a good laugh.
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Droz
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Re: No control. [Re: gribochek]
#325093 - 05/24/01 01:13 PM (23 years, 10 months ago) |
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Well i have come to realization that im not trying to change anything. I have only changed myself. I'm only trying to get people to realize just that.
-- "Eat what shall be eating." --Edited by Droz on 05/24/01 03:15 PM.
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 CosmicJoke
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Re: No control. [Re: gribochek]
#325118 - 05/24/01 01:39 PM (23 years, 10 months ago) |
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i thought a tv was more or less a box-like thing with a screen that receives electrical signals and changes 'em into moving images and sound. i consider it a good thing, something that has a hell of a lot of potential - many possibilities, a very intruiging form of media (and hell, I don't even have cable). when one attends to the tv, what they experience has to do with their set... no, not television set, mind-set. i'm talking about one's level of being. most people in this world occupy a level of being that Gurdjieff called waking sleep, or we can call it "identification". in this state, man has no separate awareness. he is lost, not present himself, in whatever he is doing; i.e. absorbed in the boob tube. our whole cultue perpetuates this state, it's not just television - you'll find it permeates belief systems (B.S.) from every aspect onto everyone, that's its nature. it's not the underlying theme of tv keeping us in submission, it's the underlying state-of-being which man is just sort of stuck in. admitted, it is the exploitation of this rational mind that brings television into existence in the first place, as well, ironically enough, as LSD, a drug that catalyzes one's whole view of reality, revealing the absurdity of civilization's mode of being that lead to its creation in the first place.
Repent! Repent! Floss Often!
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Everything is better than it was the last time. I'm good.
If we could look into each others hearts, and understand the unique challenges each of us faces, I think we would treat each other much more gently, with more love, patience, tolerance, and care.
It takes a lot of courage to go out there and radiate your essence.
I know you scared, you should ask us if we scared too. If you was there, and we just knew you cared too.
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gribochek
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Re: No control. [Re: CosmicJoke]
#325152 - 05/24/01 02:23 PM (23 years, 10 months ago) |
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Box with electrones... Waking sleep... you have surely learned many clever words. But do you really know what they mean?
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CosmicJoke
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Re: No control. [Re: gribochek]
#325191 - 05/24/01 03:12 PM (23 years, 10 months ago) |
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what in the world could i do to conjure up a sincere response to _that_? tick... tick... tick... bzzzzzzzzzzzzz..... beats me, i give! i lose. boo hoo. game over. got any more quarters, huh ma, huh?
"words are lies. and that's a lie too. come see play, then you'll know what's real." Jerry Garcia
Repent! Repent! Floss Often!
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Everything is better than it was the last time. I'm good.
If we could look into each others hearts, and understand the unique challenges each of us faces, I think we would treat each other much more gently, with more love, patience, tolerance, and care.
It takes a lot of courage to go out there and radiate your essence.
I know you scared, you should ask us if we scared too. If you was there, and we just knew you cared too.
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overtone
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Re: No control. [Re: Droz]
#325282 - 05/24/01 04:35 PM (23 years, 10 months ago) |
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http://www.disinfo.com/pages/article/id1149/pg1/
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Kid
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Re: No control. [Re: gribochek]
#325339 - 05/24/01 05:39 PM (23 years, 10 months ago) |
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why do people think TV is a passive medium? if you choose to pay attention to TV you are the one who is making active interpretations of that TV show, n'est pas?
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Re: No control. [Re: Kid]
#326766 - 05/27/01 02:39 AM (23 years, 10 months ago) |
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I agree kid. We are not mindless zombies that allows TV to control what we think and say. If you view television from a neutral standpoint, you decide what to accept. We do not see something and then instantly integrate it into our lives with no thought, if you lived like that then you would have no control over your own thoughts.
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BBin
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Re: No control. [Re: Droz]
#326863 - 05/27/01 08:02 AM (23 years, 10 months ago) |
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Thing is Droz, that once you become aware of this and that, you see 'It for what It is'. You know the effect it is having on your mind and have observed It clearly. Hmm, wait a minute how can your Mind, observe the effects it is itself going through from the perspective of an 'outside' Observer? DING! Maybe I am not this little person i am observing, I AM the observer. All these outside influences are coming into my illusionary Mind-Self and it is He who stands at risk of being indoctrinated and programmed by mindless greed seething through every nook and cranny of the society i perceive around this Self. Well, good thing I AM in control of this smaller Shield Self and can act as a filter to this filter of reality. Are you the puppet or the master? Are you the Actor, or the Observer?
There is no danger in TV if you are awake, then again, if you are awake there is no real appeal in TV, or other activities which distract you from Yourself up to the point that you forget yourself in favour of the distraction.
Mindless chatter blocks clear reception, make sure there is some silence 'up there'.
Thought is born blind but Mind knows what is Seeing
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CosmicJoke
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Re: No control. [Re: BBin]
#327125 - 05/27/01 03:45 PM (23 years, 10 months ago) |
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to observe ones own behavior, without the subjective fallacy as the experimenter. i can only be studied within the subject-object world of the experimenter by someone independent of me, since it's happening to that me. one has to give up being the experimenter to have the experience of the transcendence of experimenter-ness. and this is one of the problems: you can only know you know after you've been it... and in order to be it you've got to give up knowing you know.
hmmm, it all has to do with third chakras, rational thought or self-consciousness, man's control over his environment, attachment to the rational mind, time - understanding time, the distance between experiment-experimenter, subject and object, and its limitations - it can't know itself, it's a metasystem. it is linear, it is limited in dealing with large numbers of variables simultaneously. there are ways of training yourself to do this.... but how? life's mysteries :)
Mindless chatter blocks clear reception, make sure there's some silence up there. Amen.
Repent! Repent! Floss Often!
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Everything is better than it was the last time. I'm good.
If we could look into each others hearts, and understand the unique challenges each of us faces, I think we would treat each other much more gently, with more love, patience, tolerance, and care.
It takes a lot of courage to go out there and radiate your essence.
I know you scared, you should ask us if we scared too. If you was there, and we just knew you cared too.
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Jenny
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Re: No control. [Re: Droz]
#329638 - 05/30/01 12:01 PM (23 years, 10 months ago) |
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I think the media is a huge impact on what we think and what we view as right and wrong, what is in style fashion wise and whatnot. Even if it is subconciously, it tells people whats politically correct and what isn't, try living without a tv for a long period of time and your thoughts and views on society DO change a great deal. With cencorship etc the governments showing us what they want us to see, and hiding what they don't.
Also in the issue of so many americans being over weight, i think tv and video games are partially to blame, when i was young my parents always made us go outside and play, that seems to be a lot less common these days.
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Mindfulness is the aware, balanced acceptance of the present experience.
It isn't more complicated than that.
It is opening to or recieving the present moment, pleasant or unpleasant, just as it is,
without either clinging to it or rejecting it.
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dragoon
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Re: No control. [Re: Jenny]
#330646 - 05/31/01 11:55 AM (23 years, 10 months ago) |
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If your awake there should be no media influence, you should be able to see through all that B.S. If I'm with friends or something and they want to watch TV if I even sit down I find myself looking around the room the tele doesn't grab my attentioin very well, usually I would just leave or suggest another activity. I
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MrTechnoShaman
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Re: No control. [Re: gribochek]
#330984 - 05/31/01 07:09 PM (23 years, 10 months ago) |
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total agreement with grib, I personally despise TV because of the over flux of commercial messages every 15 minutes or so. I'm not saying that you or anyone else should not watch TV, I don't care, it's just a personnal thing, y'know. I personally spend very few hours per week in front of an open tv set, it's just a personnal choice. Instead I have to find something else to do with my time. It's all a matter of choice. Of course there is alot more people that rather spend lots of hours watching cable TV, I guess that makes me a little special, right? Special, no, different, yes.
If you have read Tim Leary 's book "Turn on, tune in, drop out" you would see that his opinion of TV is that it's a fake hollywood-created atmosphere. In the same book he goes on saying it involves robotic fake everyday "American reality" that we are living. But I guess that's taking it to the extreme...
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