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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.
With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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If everything is 'bassakwards' then burning in the lake of fire translates to sipping mai tai's at Waikiki, right?
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I'm going to play the "Doomsday Prediction Game" myself
Very good. I've amended my list accordingly. 
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2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.
4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.
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why should i believe that .com website?
warning: i didn't even click on it to read.
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 Re: The End of the World Is Nigh! Repent!  [Re: TameMe]
#5152477 - 01/07/06 10:30 PM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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why should i believe that .com website?
Well, that's not the only web site giving news of the asteroid; there are many more science oriented sites that report the same thing.
Unlike mysticism where you have to take the mystic's word without corroboration, science is a rational pursuit. This means that when science says something, it also provides you with all the information that lead to the statement. This allows other scientists (and you) to point your telescope at the provided coordinates and calculate the orbit of the comet for yourself to verify or refute the scientific results.
That's why you should believe: because you can see it for yourself. 
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1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.
4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.
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MushmanTheManic
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 Re: The End of the World Is Nigh! Repent! [Re: Diploid]
#5152910 - 01/08/06 12:37 AM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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You forgot the most important Judgement Day of them all.
Shame. Shame. Shame.
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gettinjiggywithit said:
I have been reading you for a long time, and I notice you only see the bad side of what you call irrational.
I highly doubt there is a good side to irrational.
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gettinjiggywithit said:
People do a lot of irrational things that turn out well for themselves or towards accomplishing goals. We don't progress by rationing alone. Rationing is the process of conserving. How far do you take? Do you conserve to the point people are immobilized by fear paralysis of using and spending what is available to get from point A to point B.
I dispute all of these points. Logic/reason/rationality grants one the tools one can use to solve problems. It is irrational to be paralyzed by fear. If one desires to live, and one is confronted by a threat, the best course of action is to escape from, or dispose of said threat. It requires no bit of irrationality to act/take risks. If there's somehow a gambling table which on average, puts out $1.02 more then you put into it, it is rational to play such games. That's what a casino is (though not for those that spend their money in one).
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gettinjiggywithit said:
Was it irrational of me to spend about the last 500 my business had just to bribe a mechanic to come out to look at the engine, when he said he was to busy that day?
No, it wasn't. You had two options. Option A consisted of making the attempt of getting the mechanic over at all costs with what resources you had (as stated, $500) and being able to perform a service which would more then recoup your losses and gain you a customer, or losing the profit, losing a potential customer, and keeping the $500. Irrationality played no part in your decision.
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gettinjiggywithit said:
I have pulled more irrational shit then I can remember that saved the day and brought big returns.
I doubt it. While sometimes, you will succeed, on the whole, it's like gambling. It's a tax on your inability to think. Your examples of "irrationality" are not such, and, from what little I've read, the majority of your "irrational" acts are misnamed from a want to believe that such a thing does humanity good.
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gettinjiggywithit said:
There's a time to hold back and time to let it go and to go for it. What you call irrationality I call risk taking. Some loose big and some win big. It's how we have moved forward as much as we have been held back back by it, however, thanks to the majority being irrational, we are more ahead then behind in progress.
See previous.
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gettinjiggywithit said:
Oh ya, lets fill a ton of highly explosive rocket fuel into a metal tube and shoot people to the moon. Cool ya, go for it. I want to ride in it first! The nuts make the shit happen.
Weather or not they were nuts is to be debated, but rocketeering is a lot less random then you seem to think. Ever wonder why "rocket science" is synonymous with complex/difficult to learn? Ir requires tremendous amounts of math and logic (yes, logic) to understand and not kill the majority of your explorers. Exploration is a dangerous field, but it's worth it to many.
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gettinjiggywithit said:
Where when and how people apply it is one thing. The results are another. Often being rational has lead to big losses for people.
Rationality has led to losses, however, on the whole, rationality is far better the irrationality on what to live your life by. Irrationality usually leads to bigger, more frequent, losses.
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gettinjiggywithit said:
Suit yourself, keep mocking, keep judging, keep misunderstanding and think you are saving the world from what it's been built on.
The modern world was NOT built on irrationality/superstition/myth.
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gettinjiggywithit said:
Back in the day, it wasn't rational to go sail your boat off the end of the flat earth. People thought Christopher was fucken nuts.
It was known at that time period that the world doesn't suddenly end. Christopher wasn't even the first to sail across the world.
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gettinjiggywithit said:
My concern is that if everyone became rational tomorrow, the end would come-quickly as people caved in on themselves under the pressure of withholding and not believing, something extra ordinary can come of something when taking risks and chances, irrational as they may appear at the time.
My greatest dream is for the world to become rational, and dispense with it's idiotic rituals, traditions, and superstitions. Rationality, logic, and science, have done far more for the world then irrationality and blind faith have ever done. The entire world that you live in is based on that which you fear. Irrationality is what keeps people from using medicine in favor of prayer (so-called Christian scientists), propagates the spread of STD's in Africa (ever heard of the priests burning condoms?), and motivates some people to push for the central finding of modern biology to be considered on the same level as a religious myth.
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Well, we agree on one thing here, we don't want to see people in needless fear. I'm trying to understand the way you are going about it. The phrase-"It's Bullshit" is not supportive evidence to make one have a change of mind or heart. Until you can back up why revelations is BS, who that believes in it are you going to sway?
Have you ever read the bible? Ever played "dueling scriptures?" I can support virtually any position with quotes from the bible. Aside from that, the bible is scientifically inaccurate, roughly half of it morally damnable, and all of it is unsubstantiated. If I said that the world is going to end on June 20'th of 2006, and in order to get into heaven, you have to kill yourself, who are you to tell me the book I base on such "revelations" is incorrect? So back up why my hypothetical book is BS? Or are you going to kill yourself on the 19'th of June this year?
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Re: The End of the World Is Nigh! Repent! [Re: Xanthas]
#5154124 - 01/08/06 12:44 PM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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Wow, talk about deja vu.
This was just posted like... six months ago, wasn't it? 
*giggles*
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Re: The End of the World Is Nigh! Repent! [Re: Diploid]
#5155020 - 01/08/06 04:20 PM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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Diploid said:
why should i believe that .com website?
Well, that's not the only web site giving news of the asteroid; there are many more science oriented sites that report the same thing.
Unlike mysticism where you have to take the mystic's word without corroboration, science is a rational pursuit. This means that when science says something, it also provides you with all the information that lead to the statement. This allows other scientists (and you) to point your telescope at the provided coordinates and calculate the orbit of the comet for yourself to verify or refute the scientific results.
That's why you should believe: because you can see it for yourself.
sounds like bullshit
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Re: The End of the World Is Nigh! Repent! [Re: TameMe]
#5155032 - 01/08/06 04:23 PM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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Thanks for taking up space in the thread while contributing nothing to the discussion.
Care to elaborate on why it's bullshit or is just saying so the best you can do?
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1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.
4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.
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Re: The End of the World Is Nigh! Repent! [Re: Diploid]
#5155049 - 01/08/06 04:26 PM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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when i get to the end of the world i am gonna order a draught of Gaia's thigh drippings and a plate of funnel cakes sans anything sweet.
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Re: The End of the World Is Nigh! Repent! [Re: Diploid]
#5155082 - 01/08/06 04:37 PM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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Diploid said:
Thanks for taking up space in the thread while contributing nothing to the discussion.
Care to elaborate on why it's bullshit or is just saying so the best you can do?
I think it's bullshit to say that science always provides information backing up what they say. Now, obviously that's what science aspires to do, but in practice, they often dogmatically cling to a certain theory for long periods of time while evidence which calls that theory into question is suppressed, and any articles supporting an alternative theory or questioning the current one are kept out of scientific journals. If you don't believe me, look up Piltdown Man.
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Re: The End of the World Is Nigh! Repent! [Re: Silversoul]
#5155465 - 01/08/06 05:57 PM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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Scientists are humans and subject to all the failings of humans. That the Piltdown fossils were faked doesn't change the truth that all scientific results are, by definition, available to anyone who questions their validity. This is why the Piltdown fake was eventually exposed: BECAUSE of science, not in spite of it.
My reply above was specifically regarding the asteroid whose orbital elements have been published. Anyone who doubts the existence of this asteroid can point their telescope at the calculated coordinates and see if for himself.
Believe the asteroid exists not because some scientist told you it exits, but because he showed you where to look to see it for yourself.
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1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.
4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.
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 Re: The End of the World Is Nigh! Repent! [Re: Diploid]
#5157411 - 01/09/06 04:50 AM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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The posts on this thread remind me of a world without God. Without God we are lost. There are those out there that know God's plan, and when you know God's plan, EVERYTHING makes sense. Those that KNOW God, KNOW. They just aren't saying, for saying would interfere with God's plan.
There is truth out there, it will be found when you find God, or better stated God finds you.
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Re: The End of the World Is Nigh! Repent! [Re: Demotriton]
#5157463 - 01/09/06 05:57 AM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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Demotriton said:
The posts on this thread remind me of a world without God. Without God we are lost. There are those out there that know God's plan, and when you know God's plan, EVERYTHING makes sense. Those that KNOW God, KNOW. They just aren't saying, for saying would interfere with God's plan.
There is truth out there, it will be found when you find God, or better stated God finds you.
In other words, they claim to know, but don't. Unless one can explain their claimed knowledge, their "knowledge" is worthless to the populace, and arguing for it, if it truly can't be known through explanation, is pointless.
God is like a pink unicorn. I ask you to show it to me, you say okay, but it's invisible. I ask if I can capture it on an infrared camera, to detect it's presence/shape, you respond that it produces no heat. I ask if I can touch it, you respond that it's intangible. Anything I try to do to prove of disprove your claim is countered with he idea that we simply can't detect it.
Yet, somehow, you believe it's there. Against all evidence.
You cite the evidence of the universe itself, claiming it must've had a unicorn to create it. And you know about this unicorn because of a book (or, more correctly, series of stories passes on by oral tradition for most of their lifetime, and only later written down) that includes wildly inaccurate predictions, magic, mythical characters, and a primary character that corresponds to the "mythic hero archetype."
I claim the book is unreliable, and should have no more importance placed upon it then the Grecian gods, or the Masai creation, or the Hindu caste system.
I don't see how one can fight that, based on "knowledge" that those who know can't tell, and "revelation" that won't come to those who're seeking it, but only to a select few.
Any wonder why there's such a strong inverse correlation between intelligence/education and religious devotion?
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Re: The End of the World Is Nigh! Repent! [Re: Xanthas]
#5157516 - 01/09/06 07:09 AM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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The reason why it can't be proved, because if it was, everyone would believe. God wants us to CHOOSE whether or not he exists.
If we decide God exists, then God exists.
If we decide God doesn't exist, then God doesn't exist.
God exists for me cause I choose God, before that I thought I knew the way the world was, mostly because I wanted to, or thought it was the way it was, and so it was.
Until I found God, then the truth about the world was revealed to me, then the world changed, it was still the same world yet I was seeing it from a different POINT OF VIEW which revealed the truth.
If you decide there is no God, there is no God, so the truth is:
BOTH you and me are right.
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Re: The End of the World Is Nigh! Repent! [Re: Demotriton]
#5157520 - 01/09/06 07:13 AM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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Then why did you say without "god, we are lost"? If the only difference is in our perspective of the world, what's the point of debating weather or not god exists? In essence, why are you posting, according to you?
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Re: The End of the World Is Nigh! Repent! [Re: Xanthas]
#5157607 - 01/09/06 08:43 AM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yep, If your God is real for you that's just dandy. But when you start speaking for the rest of us you just start sounding delusional.
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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.
" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.
With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: The End of the World Is Nigh! Repent! [Re: Diploid]
#5157613 - 01/09/06 08:46 AM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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Diploid said:
Thanks for taking up space in the thread while contributing nothing to the discussion.
Care to elaborate on why it's bullshit or is just saying so the best you can do?
are you implying your previous response was better?
Edited by TameMe (01/09/06 08:47 AM)
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Re: The End of the World Is Nigh! Repent! [Re: Diploid]
#5157638 - 01/09/06 08:57 AM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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Diploid said:
Scientists are humans and subject to all the failings of humans. That the Piltdown fossils were faked doesn't change the truth that all scientific results are, by definition, available to anyone who questions their validity. This is why the Piltdown fake was eventually exposed: BECAUSE of science, not in spite of it.
My reply above was specifically regarding the asteroid whose orbital elements have been published. Anyone who doubts the existence of this asteroid can point their telescope at the calculated coordinates and see if for himself.
Believe the asteroid exists not because some scientist told you it exits, but because he showed you where to look to see it for yourself.
not everyone who doubts can do this.
also......
someone tells you to look at a certain spot in the sky and you happen to see something there.....doesn't prove that a giant asteroid will collide with earth in the year 2036.
looking at an object through a telescope doesn't say much. you'd need to know a lot more than just the coordinates in the sky. how would you determine the orbit or size from observing the light that reflects into the lens of your telescope?
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