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OfflineDogomush
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Some observations on the people of this forum
    #1815594 - 08/15/03 01:44 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

People here are interested in spirituality and/or philosophy, and mostly we categorize ourselves as being "believers" and "skeptics." But there's another dualism we fall into on both sides of that main category. I don't know what to call the smart ones, but the other ones are called the numbots. Or maybe the philosobots or the deepdrones. Or how about a combination, the dronebots.

The dronebots don't speak from their own experience, they like to spout spiritual wisdom they got straight from a website or a guru, and often they won't even use their own words. Sometimes they just cut and paste, or maybe link, or maybe copy word for word from a book. They generally have no insight, because they haven't gained the wisdom through experience, and any dickhead can read a silly book.

In fact, let me paraphrase something I read in The Inner Teachings of Daoism. I'd quote directly but I don't have the book here, but I like memorising smart stuff other people said so I can shine the wisdom flashlight in people's eyes: "Students all over the world read some ancient books, ponder a few mystical stories, and think they know the dao. Empowered by their ignorance, these people eventually get students of their own and unknowingly mislead them into the pits of foolishness. It is wrong to do this."  I embellished the part about "pits of foolishness" they didn't put it like that.

Anyway, here are some symptoms of these dronebots so you can identify them on this very forum. You'll find they're everywhere. They could be someone you've known for a very long time, maybe someone very close to you, maybe even... YOU!

The dronebot doesn't defend his position very well. This is because the dronebot gets all his wisdom and knowledge from books. Authors can be very convincing and have powerful arguments, but when the dronebot tries to use these arguments in real situations (like on this board) suddenly he finds the points weak and lacking substance. In a controlled situation he can say his stuff and sound smart, but once he has to elaborate on his meager understanding to someone who might question what he believes, the structure of his conviction crumbles like a pile of cheezies and the spiritual beliefs are shown to be nothing but unnaturally flavoured orange dust.

The dronebot supplements his position's structural integrity with other people's words. I mentioned this already. It's like when a bodybuilder takes steroids to get big muscles. The short term gains are substantial.. Spiritual muscle beyond your own wording and understanding, but before too long the debating world's equivalent to random drug testing comes on the scene and shames the dronebot into silence with a harsh ideological dismantling. You don't wanna know what happens if use of these materials goes unchecked.

The dronebot doesn't like it when people openly disagree with them or challenge them to support their stance. This is because the dronebot doesn't even understand the position he defends. He usually resorts to accusing the skeptic of being "close-minded" or "negative." On some level the dronebot knows the house of his ideas is built on a foundation of breakfast cereal, and to temporarily keep the building level the dronebot props a few sticks up against it. When the building inspector comes calling and accuses the dronebot of not having a house up to code the drone says "No, it's fine! Don't be so negative, why are you even here if all you do is say my house isn't up to code?"

And lastly, the dronebots are really "into" spirituality. They see spirituality as this pretty young girl they are pursuing. It's not a part of their life, but they want it to be so. The dronebot chases this girl, but instead of meeting her, copulating, and uniting their energies, the dronebot's relationship to Ms. Spirituality is a little weirder.. unhealthier.. The dronebot might walk around thinking of himself and classifying himself as her boyfriend ("I'm a buddhist! I'm a shaman, I'm a this, I'm a that!") The dronebot develops an infatuation. He imagines the girl naked.. lying on a bearskin rug, watches some porn movies, shaves his back...  Where was I going with this? Yeah, basically, the dronebot is to spirituality as a stalker is to a woman.

Soo.... are YOU a dronebot? Am I???



:kiss: note that swami is the ultimate exposer of dronebots. By  casually making light-hearted fun of people's ideas dronebots get all freaky like an old old woman who visits the tanning salon too much. And has an implant in her brain and owns a gun and bathes in petroleum jelly and then slides down the hallways of a nunnery on her belly. 


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Re: Some observations on the people of this forum [Re: Dogomush]
    #1815614 - 08/15/03 01:51 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Thanks for getting Michael Jackson's "Pretty Young Thing" stuck in my head. No, really.

So... do we eventually get paid for dronebot disassembly or what?


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Re: Some observations on the people of this forum [Re: Dogomush]
    #1815622 - 08/15/03 01:54 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

The dronebots don't speak from their own experience, they like to spout spiritual wisdom they got straight from a website or a guru, and often they won't even use their own words. Sometimes they just cut and paste, or maybe link, or maybe copy word for word from a book. They generally have no insight, because they haven't gained the wisdom through experience, and any dickhead can read a silly book.




Quote:

In fact, let me paraphrase something I read in The Inner Teachings of Daoism. I'd quote directly but I don't have the book here, but I like memorising smart stuff other people said so I can shine the wisdom flashlight in people's eyes.




Hmmmmm...  :rolleyes: 


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OfflineDogomush
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Re: Some observations on the people of this forum [Re: Sclorch]
    #1815624 - 08/15/03 01:55 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

well, check this:

A honeybee drone in his lifetime makes a net profit of 1/8 of a teaspoon of honey. What I mean is that 8 honeybees died to make 1 teaspoon of honey for our consumption. I don't know if this answers your question, actually, I'm sure it doesn't. Well maybe it does. It means that for every 8 drones you dissassemble, you'll get ONE LESS teaspoon of honey.


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Re: Some observations on the people of this forum [Re: Dogomush]
    #1815644 - 08/15/03 02:03 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

*Sound of one hand-clapping* Well-written young disciple.


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Re: Some observations on the people of this forum [Re: Dogomush]
    #1815706 - 08/15/03 02:28 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

The internet is a self-delusional medium. it doesn't matter if you "win" or "lose" an argument, in either case your beliefs are simply reaffirmed. the dronebots reflexively dig in their heels when their beliefs are challenged, protecting their own beliefs and accusing others of being "close-minded". it's completely hopeless.

There are many well-read tards running around having profound thoughts. the typical New Age section of the bookstore is an intellectual black hole, it will suck all true spirituality out of this world and replace it with a cheap empty shell for only $29.95. man, it contains all the answers right there in those pages. you just gotta open your third eye and illuminate your chakras and be really bored with your life.



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Re: Some observations on the people of this forum [Re: Dogomush]
    #1815736 - 08/15/03 02:39 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

i thought this forum was for sharing ideas, not for judging, categorizing, or comparing and labeling the users on it. i dont think many people come here to "win" arguments. perhaps i'm wrong...


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Re: Some observations on the people of this forum [Re: CleverName]
    #1815737 - 08/15/03 02:39 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

no, you're not.


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Re: Some observations on the people of this forum [Re: Dogomush]
    #1815785 - 08/15/03 02:56 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Correction: 8 honeybees lived to make that teaspoon of honey.


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Re: Some observations on the people of this forum [Re: CleverName]
    #1815807 - 08/15/03 03:05 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

yeah this forum is for sharing but somehow it seems to degenerate into stupid pointless arguments the same old shit with believers and skeptics.

actually I've seen plenty of people just sharing ideas and stuff. it's great most of the time. the skeptics only pounce when someone posts something that isn't well thought out and the person takes offense and all hell breaks loose. people shouldn't take it too seriously. the skeptics are "sharing" too in their own way when they challenge beliefs.


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Re: Some observations on the people of this forum [Re: infidelGOD]
    #1815878 - 08/15/03 03:52 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Labels are very convenient for thought catogorizing, but they can be very bad for the discussion of life itself. We should all be "skeptics" when it comes to knew ideas about our very existence. We should all be open minded too, but like Terrance Mckenna said,"keep your bull-shit detectors on high". Life has a different message and meaning for everyone. A very personal one too. That's part of what makes humans so bad-ass.


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Re: Some observations on the people of this forum [Re: Dogomush]
    #1815883 - 08/15/03 03:54 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)


Yeah, kinda like thoze people who conform to the 'hippie' lifestyle- They are all dumb-ass, pot smoking left-wing radicals who complain about everyone else and how the government is killing them and shit. They are all into bands like Phish or the Dead, and are most likely Buddist or Hindu. Theze are the people that sicken me.

An open mind doesn't conform to other peoples' beliefs.



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Re: Some observations on the people of this forum [Re: Murex]
    #1816146 - 08/15/03 07:03 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

So, in all of your guys opinon, which one am I? hehe, say anything, I won't be hurt, just interested in the views of my posts from another than myself... please?

And no constructive critisism, either, I myself can do the constructing..hehe
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Re: Some observations on the people of this forum [Re: fireworks_god]
    #1816237 - 08/15/03 08:51 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

"The dronebots don't speak from their own experience, they like to spout spiritual wisdom they got straight from a website or a guru, and often they won't even use their own words. Sometimes they just cut and paste, or maybe link, or maybe copy word for word from a book. They generally have no insight, because they haven't gained the wisdom through experience, and any dickhead can read a silly book."

So there really are people like this...I shouldn't be surprised though (naive much? :smile:).  Correct me if I'm wrong but if you just spout out spiritual "wisdom" without experience, thus not actually CONVEYING your own thoughts, aren't you missing the whole point in posting here? 


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Re: Some observations on the people of this forum [Re: Dogomush]
    #1816243 - 08/15/03 09:04 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)



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Re: Some observations on the people of this forum [Re: Murex]
    #1816270 - 08/15/03 09:33 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

You are a dumbazz..


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Re: Some observations on the people of this forum [Re: Quintessence]
    #1816423 - 08/15/03 10:54 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

This had got to be one of the most judgemental, hateful threads I have yet to see on S&P, congratulations.


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Re: Some observations on the people of this forum [Re: tekramrepus]
    #1816652 - 08/15/03 12:52 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

hahahhaahhahateful? Nonsense


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Re: Some observations on the people of this forum [Re: Dogomush]
    #1816668 - 08/15/03 01:03 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

> This had got to be one of the most judgemental, hateful threads I have yet to see on S&P, congratulations.

I disagree. I was expecting some sort of nonsensical dribble when I saw the title, but this is by far the best post I have read from Dogomush... and he is pretty much on the money. Well done.


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Re: Some observations on the people of this forum [Re: Seuss]
    #1816749 - 08/15/03 01:36 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

No one has told me their opinions on me yet... I'm so sad... come on, motherfuckers, take your shots! hehe. Please?
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Re: Some observations on the people of this forum [Re: fireworks_god]
    #1816805 - 08/15/03 01:54 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

> No one has told me their opinions on me yet...

Why should I have an opinion about you... more to the point, why do you care what some dolt like me thinks about you? ... but since you asked, I will answer... look into a mirror and then close your eyes... what do you see?


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Re: Some observations on the people of this forum [Re: Seuss]
    #1816820 - 08/15/03 02:02 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Seuss said:
Why should I have an opinion about you... more to the point, why do you care what some dolt like me thinks about you? ... but since you asked, I will answer... look into a mirror and then close your eyes... what do you see?




It is your choice whether or not you have an opinion on me, man. What do I care? Nothing. What others think of me has nothing to do with my posts, why I post. Did asking the question imply that? I am merely intrigued, and half of me asking was a joke.

I know who I am and what I am about, and don't need others opinions to make me feel better. I was just curious as to how my posts come off to others. You see, I am blinded by the Creator aspect... the scriptwriter can't fully enjoy his movie from the point of view of the ignorant viewer, and the musician can't fully appreciate his music the same way the fans can.. granted, there comes a different enjoyment, probably more fufilling to that person, but I think you should be able to understand what I am trying to say...

?whines? God, can't you just humour me? hehe.

I really do not care others opinions, and they don't affect me, but it would be sort of nice to know, anyways, don't you think? I will tell you, man, if you want to know. And don't hold anything back! We can help each other find our mistakes (if that is what they are, it just depends) and grow further...
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Re: Some observations on the people of this forum [Re: Dogomush]
    #1816847 - 08/15/03 02:11 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Good post. Recently I've been asking myself why I believe the things I believe and where I get my opinions from. I found that a lot of them are second hand, "cut & paste" beliefs. I think I've reached a point in my life where I need to re-evaluate my opinions and build them up again from a more logical perspective.

I'm going to Uni in a month's time to start a philosophy degree. Hopefully that will teach me HOW to think rather than WHAT to think.


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Re: Some observations on the people of this forum [Re: Revelation]
    #1816880 - 08/15/03 02:20 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

> from a more logical perspective.

Be careful of logic... it is a wonderful tool for describing dualistic reality.  If there is more out there than duality, logic will hinder rather than help.

> can't you just humour me?

*chuckle* such a good rebuttal (no sarcasm, your entire answer was very good), but I have nothing to add.  I left you a rating instead.  :grin:


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Re: Some observations on the people of this forum [Re: fireworks_god]
    #1816962 - 08/15/03 02:47 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Who gets to be the judge in determining this?

Let me guess. You!

Well I guess that makes you pretty important in your book now doesn't it.


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Re: Some observations on the people of this forum [Re: fireworks_god]
    #1816978 - 08/15/03 02:51 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

fireworks_god said:
No one has told me their opinions on me yet... 




My opinion of ya can be summed with.....

I bet your the guy on the right of the picture below your posts! :smirk:
Ha, j/k... :wink:


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well, if it'll make you happy [Re: fireworks_god]
    #1817159 - 08/15/03 03:49 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

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come on, motherfuckers, take your shots!



If I'm not mistaken (which I probably am) this is a direct quote from Einstien after revealing his theory of realativity...which, I believe, would put you smack dab in the center of the dumbot category  :wink:

You really should start paraphrasing these things. 


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Re: well, if it'll make you happy [Re: Mystical_Craven]
    #1817905 - 08/15/03 08:03 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

*bump*


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Re: well, if it'll make you happy [Re: Mystical_Craven]
    #1817911 - 08/15/03 08:06 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

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*chuckle* such a good rebuttal (no sarcasm, your entire answer was very good), but I have nothing to add. I left you a rating instead.




Thanks for the rating, man, I'll be watching your posts; a rating for you will be soon at hand...

Quote:


My opinion of ya can be summed with.....

I bet your the guy on the right of the picture below your posts!
Ha, j/k...




Yeah, me, Kirk Hammett, member of Metallica... that'd make me pretty rich (and quite the guitarist). No, I'm not him.. although he's my favourite member now. One of my dreams would be for it to be me standing fifth from the left, with the AC/DC t-shirt on... me, bassist for IN FLAMES... come on, Peter, quit! Give in to "personal matters"! I mean, I am in Norway, I can go and try out, if my bass ever arrives.. hehe. I can already play half of your songs, it isn't like Peter's bass lines were that hard (now, that's below the belt, sorry man. i still love ya!).. I would definitely fill out a little bit more of some sonic space, while holding true to the role the bass plays in IN FLAMES:.. ahem, but anyways..

Some of you need to lighten up... taking everything so melodramatic and end of the world..
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Re: well, if it'll make you happy [Re: fireworks_god]
    #1818355 - 08/15/03 11:39 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

"Good post. Recently I've been asking myself why I believe the things I believe and where I get my opinions from. I found that a lot of them are second hand, "cut & paste" beliefs. I think I've reached a point in my life where I need to re-evaluate my opinions and build them up again from a more logical perspective.

I'm going to Uni in a month's time to start a philosophy degree. Hopefully that will teach me HOW to think rather than WHAT to think. "


Right on!


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Re: well, if it'll make you happy [Re: ShadowsEnd]
    #1818447 - 08/16/03 12:10 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Damn, I really hate the words "seem" and "I", even though I used it twice already.


You guys use them a lot too and sometimes it pisses me off


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Re: well, if it'll make you happy [Re: ShadowsEnd]
    #1818452 - 08/16/03 12:11 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

I don't know man.. university is a pretty sketchy place.. lots of shady characters. Originally I was just "taking a year off" and then I took another and another and another.. I think that gets me where I am now.

What I've found is that there are lots of really kickass people/institutions educating people around that you might prefer to university. I mean, a philosophy degree isn't really a piece of paper you can buy a job with, correct? Might not be worth going to big ol' university to get. I don't know why I'm bothering telling you this.


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Re: Some observations on the people of this forum [Re: Dogomush]
    #1818517 - 08/16/03 12:39 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

We are all of the same mind and everything we learn and think is of the same substance; the only way things evolve is through transformation; transformation comes through digestion, reflection, and finally mutation.
When we read or hear something we agree with, we transform it into our own opinions and perceptions. I highly doubt that anything is truely original in this world.
All that is, has always been, in some form or another.

I think Einstein summed it up simply when he said that the key to creativity is in hiding your sources.  :rolleyes:   


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Re: Some observations on the people of this forum [Re: RebelSteve33]
    #1818522 - 08/16/03 12:40 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Oh and  :thumbup: to Rebel Steve who picked up on the (obvious?) hypocrisy in your post.  :smirk: 


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Re: Some observations on the people of this forum [Re: Murex]
    #1818624 - 08/16/03 01:20 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

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Yeah, kinda like thoze people who conform to the 'hippie' lifestyle- They are all dumb-ass, pot smoking left-wing radicals who complain about everyone else and how the government is killing them and shit. They are all into bands like Phish or the Dead, and are most likely Buddist or Hindu. Theze are the people that sicken me.




Any large, general group of people has sections. Do you make the same judgement about people who take mushrooms? It's not like they all conform to some elite standards. There are those who do it just to get fucked up and those who use it to explore the inner landscapes of their mind. And even these 2 classifications are neither right nor wrong. One is just more robotic (programmed).

And what's wrong with liking certain types of musik or agreeing with certain religions?

...And if you would take a closer look around, the government IS killing people and shit.  :shocked: 


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Re: Some observations on the people of this forum [Re: Adamist]
    #1818657 - 08/16/03 01:33 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

haha yes it's a little tooooo obvious, don't you think? You guys both win the coveted D'UH award. I can't get across ironic tones with typing, but come on guys, give me some credit.

I'm not saying that everybody should always be saying things that are truly original. It's fine if your ideas aren't original so long as you are communicating them from your own internalized understanding rather than relaying other people's experience. When one reads a philosophical principle, ponders it, understands it, and applies or discovers it in their own life then when they speak about that principle it carries more weight and the person is more interesting to listen to.

A dronebot would read about and explain yin and yang theory with the old, tired images as a crutch to his crippled understanding. He'd talk about dark and light sides of hills, or explain it in terms of the seasons, but someone who had internalized the principles of yin and yang could find the duality anywhere.. he could infinitely analyze the clutter on his desk, explain the ideas using the relationship between a stack of CDs and his computer monitor. If you don't have the ability to speak from an internalized understanding of whatever you're talking about.. religion, evolutionary theory, christ's teachings, then..

I was going through books in a new age bookstore the other day, reading about daoism, and the books sucked. No insight whatsoever, just a bunch of charlatans rearanging simple ideas with groovy paperback covers.


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Re: Some observations on the people of this forum [Re: Dogomush]
    #1818703 - 08/16/03 01:51 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

beep boop beep

I am a dronebot

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Re: Some observations on the people of this forum [Re: DoctorJ]
    #1818723 - 08/16/03 01:57 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

And what's wrong with liking certain types of musik or agreeing with certain religions?

I believe what he's refering to is the uncanny fact that people with certain hairstyles also like corresponding bands and religions. Maybe he thinks it's weird that people like to conform themselves to a certain classification of people-types. Like why do all the so-called non-comformists wear uniforms that identify them as non-conformists? Don't you think that's a little... conformist?


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Re: Some observations on the people of this forum [Re: Dogomush]
    #1818742 - 08/16/03 02:04 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

"Like why do all the so-called non-comformists wear uniforms that identify them as non-conformists? Don't you think that's a little... conformist? "

ALL? thats a nasty word.

I have short hair and wear polo shirts and dockers everywhere.

I like raving, techno, the Greatful Dead, and I'm not too fond of the government or bif business, either

the only uniform I wear is strictly utilitarian. It amuses me to know end how many teachers, bosses, police, etc think I'm "such a nice young lad" just because I dress according to a certain code and keep my hair short. Those people are morons.



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Re: Some observations on the people of this forum [Re: DoctorJ]
    #1819681 - 08/16/03 02:02 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

way to go.. but don't you want to let your hair grow sometimes?


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Re: Some observations on the people of this forum [Re: Dogomush]
    #1819719 - 08/16/03 02:23 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)


I always wear Tool shirts, but I'm not a 'rocker' or metalhead. I really mostly listen to techno. I think Tool's message overpowers the fact that I'm a walking billboard. I would never wear any other band shirt or product-promoting shirt because it's sickening.

I used to look like a 'kid' when I wore big-ass pants and bleached my hair (just the front part of my hair, not all of it). Now I need a job and I wear normal pants and dorky glasses (they make me look smart). My old boss used to think I was a hooligan or a criminal of some sort. He would probably think I was a totally different person now.


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Re: Some observations on the people of this forum [Re: Murex]
    #1819735 - 08/16/03 02:29 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

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Murex said:
I always wear Tool shirts, but I'm not a 'rocker' or metalhead. I really mostly listen to techno. I think Tool's message overpowers the fact that I'm a walking billboard. I would never wear any other band shirt or product-promoting shirt because it's sickening.





Myself (including my Tool shirt that I have), I wear music t-shirts because music is what I identify most with, and that I would prefer wearing my favourite bands' t-shirts than any other kind of "normal" t-shirt. I don't wear my t-shirts to promote the prouduct, but rather because I like the bands, I like the t-shirts, and why not? I don't think that it is sickening...
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Re: Some observations on the people of this forum [Re: fireworks_god]
    #1819835 - 08/16/03 03:11 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

"way to go.. but don't you want to let your hair grow sometimes? "

Theres a lot of things I want to do when I have the money and power to defend my actions :smile:

Theres also a lot of things I want to do when money and power are no longer my concern :wink:


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    #1819955 - 08/16/03 03:58 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

I don't want to sell my soul to be free.


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Re: Some observations on the people of this forum [Re: Dogomush]
    #1820331 - 08/16/03 05:56 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

BEAUTIFUL!!!

I have been thinking about the same thing lately.

But what about the duality of the skeptics in this forum?


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Re: Some observations on the people of this forum [Re: sirreal]
    #1826221 - 08/18/03 02:52 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

what about the duality of skeptics in this forum? There are only a few I'd label as skeptics.


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Re: Some observations on the people of this forum [Re: Dogomush]
    #1826456 - 08/18/03 03:35 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Labeling someone as a skeptic is just way too big of a generalization to accurately portray anyone, especially considering that not a lot of people post reguarily here at the S and P, most everyone here recoginizes the other members...

I mean, we have people who instantly believe whatever comes into their head, we have people that are a little more out there but still have at least one foot in reality (I'd consider myself one of them), people that only seek objective truth, people who only seek subjective truth, both, people who challenge the ideas of those who are a little subjective and not so grounded, those who challenge the ideas and thoughts of those who are a little too grounded (I consider myself one of them, too), people who etc, etc, etc...

If we are observing people in this forum, using a term such as "skeptics" probably shouldn't come up...
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Re: Some observations on the people of this forum [Re: Dogomush]
    #1827550 - 08/18/03 08:20 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

If your skepticism is dead, then so are you.

But who can say if that's a bad thing?

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Re: Some observations on the people of this forum [Re: Adamist]
    #1839620 - 08/22/03 05:42 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

I feel like said "dronebot"

It's unfortunate. I don't like being like that, but I come across a new idea or .. theory, and it becomes a romance. I'm infatuated, like you said. I think I have an understanding, but I'd have difficulty explaining it to another person without using the original speakers words.

I'm not sure how or why I do it - I'm not sure how to stop.. I guess I've been making attempts. I don't know.

I feel as if no thought in my head is my own. I don't know where I really stand on issues. I have friends who know alot about politics, or religion. I don't really know much about either, and have no idea where to start.. but I'm not very interested in that sort of thing. I'm interested in writing.. I've been getting very interested in philosophy. I read, I take notes. .

Not sure what I'm saying here.
But now I feel like shit.
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Re: Some observations on the people of this forum [Re: Phobos]
    #1839625 - 08/22/03 05:46 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

I become more impassioned with the idea of action than the actual action itself.

This electronic box sucks out my motivation, my inspiration, my aspiration.

I feel useless and lost.

Empty, sometimes.
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Re: Some observations on the people of this forum [Re: Dogomush]
    #1839651 - 08/22/03 06:15 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Hey, it's a nice thread and all, probably the best by you I ever read.

But.............I read the whole thing. I must be really bored.


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    #1844565 - 08/24/03 01:02 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

the best? Well, I guess it doesn't get into the touchy area where I accuse you of being a tron controlled by your vehicle. If you shed your metal shell there would be lots more "best" things out there, robocop.


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Re: Some observations on the people of this forum [Re: Sclorch]
    #1844633 - 08/24/03 01:51 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

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note that swami is the ultimate exposer of dronebots. By casually making light-hearted fun of people's ideas dronebots get all freaky like an old old woman who visits the tanning salon too much. And has an implant in her brain and owns a gun and bathes in petroleum jelly and then slides down the hallways of a nunnery on her belly.




I see you speak from experience. heheh

that's cuz he can rattle them. YOu can rattle anybody if you observe that person is vulnerable, unconsciously or consciously.

I rather avoid it - good intentions usually turn into horsedung. I just stop rather irate the reader even morel.



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Re: Some observations on the people of this forum [Re: Dogomush]
    #1845938 - 08/24/03 06:48 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Nah, ain't nothing like that.

But thanks for the advice, son.


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Re: Some observations on the people of this forum [Re: Dogomush]
    #1845940 - 08/24/03 06:49 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

So this long diatribe of Dogomush illustrates with failing subtlty and grace that some people philosophize and seek spiritual lives because they feel weak, or lost, directionless. Because of these feelings it is attempted to grasp a certain philsophical standpoint in an effort to acquire a sort of identity, a reference point for understanding the self.

What precisely did you expect? This is a website dedicated to the use of drugs. What is it that attracts people to the use of drugs? Often responsilbe are feelings of weakness, of wandering. The user base of the Shroomery primarily consists of young people, aged 14-24. At what time in your life have you ever felt the most confused, adrift?

Why then do you sit in your chariot dishing out this longwinded assessment of the "quality" of some of those discussing ideas here? Certainly the reality that some people are attracted to these things for the unfortunate reasons mentioned does not denigrate the importance of psychedelic ideology and the philosophical banters thereof.

This is a place for sharing ideas, for aiding our peers in their growth, their progress, while simultaneously as a community moving toward our awakening to ourselves, or whatever mystical plain we may seek.

Instead of embarassing the people who fit your desciption, why not lift them up?


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Re: Some observations on the people of this forum [Re: Ped]
    #1847157 - 08/25/03 02:08 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

yeah no kidding, like how old are you anyway swami?  were you always the model of rationality that you are now? 

really, where is the love?  :smile:


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Re: Some observations on the people of this forum [Re: Malachi]
    #1851739 - 08/26/03 04:44 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

What precisely did you expect?

So, you agree with what I said, but you think I shouldn't point it out? What would you expect me to do? Sit around and not point some things out? Aren't we here to do this:

"This is a place for sharing ideas"

and that's what I'm doing.

"for aiding our peers in their growth, their progress"

and so what, I should just sit back and let people wallow in meaninglessness for the rest of their lives on the shroomery? No, I think I should aid our peers in their growth, their progress, by pointing a few things out.

"Instead of embarassing the people who fit your desciption, why not lift them up?"

So.. what, I should just be like "yay you guys are great!" that's ridiculous. I refuse to participate in protecting people from the world (myself in this case) when they don't have to come onto the internet and engage in a terrifying assesment of their understanding of reality. They should sit at home with their mommas and never go out in the world. If somebody can't handle me telling them that maybe, just maybe they don't understand the shit their spouting at all, and they can't cope with the idea that maybe they aren't enlightened, well... that's none of my business. If they're that fragile they shouldn't be doing drugs that's for sure.

Malachi, I'm onto you. I used to think that you were an ignorant racist fool, but now I see it's all a little game of yours. Well, you had me fooled until you started asking other people where the love is.



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    #1851793 - 08/26/03 04:58 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

True.


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Re: Some observations on the people of this forum [Re: Sclorch]
    #1854032 - 08/27/03 06:52 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Dogomush, your reasons are noble... and the people here definitely don't need to be sheltered from anything. Most of us are beyond that...

I'm listening to the Wall right now, and I'm thinking that sheltering him made his entire life suck.. we don't need it. Thanks a lot, Mom. hehe
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    #1854543 - 08/27/03 01:18 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Mother... yeah that album's funny/twisted. I like the concept of my mom being a force of evil. Good stuff.


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Re: Some observations on the people of this forum [Re: Dogomush]
    #1854832 - 08/27/03 02:37 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Those who fit your description would likely not be those who are either self-realized nor motivated by your brand of ostentatious aphorism. More likely it would be that such pious tramplings would only harden defenses, and further set the stain of self-delusion we all graple with throughout our entire lives, to varying degrees. You are helping nobody.

I would sooner conclude your prose to be not so much "sharing ideas" as it was "stroking the ego". If pampering your pride has to come at the expense of others, I think any of us would be right and raising our voice. Furthermore, if we must think in terms of some sort of hierarchy, this kind of distended display only places you on par with the same people who've been belittled.


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Re: Some observations on the people of this forum [Re: Dogomush]
    #1855038 - 08/27/03 03:34 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Well, it was basically a lot of things accumulated, but I think it was that sheltering that made him unable to cope with all the rest of the stuff...
The memory of his father's death, the school system, that fucking wife, all the attention from being a rocker..

It'd be like living in a rich family, always cared for and always getting what you wanted, and then dropped into the Army in the middle of war as a common soldier.. quite the shock, I suppose. Never be able to cope, probably be one of the first dead..

Metallica has a song about pretty much the same thing, the sheltering by his parent's.. Dyers Eve, off of ..And Justice For All.

And I have found out that my bass guitar is going to cost like $300 more than the list price on Music123 because of international shipping and the taxes and duties imposed on it (a little less than the price, including shipping, and then an additional 23%). I guess you have to pay for socialism somehow.. (which I am now a member of, as my work permit has been approved and I have a Norwegian social security number..)

I hope this helps with the observations of the people on this forum, giving these crucial details as an insight into my twisted life.. Are you all observing, damn it?!

I've been downloading full Pink Floyd albums.. I've only actually heard Dark Side of the Moon and the Wall before, and I now have Wish You Were Here and Momentary Lapse of Reason, with Echoes (the best of), Ummagumma, and Meddle downloading (and getting a shitty transfer rate, no apparent reason why)... I have also got the Echoes full length instrumental track... even though it isn't all instrumental track, I don't know why Guitar World called it that in their in depth look on Pink Floyd...

I'm sort of curious as to how The Wall, an album about the descent into madness, ever became such a tripping album.. I mean, because of the music, definitely, but the subject matter?

One of my best trips was listening to TOOL's Lateralus.. I think I will turn that into a trip report. Sound fun? No real posts going on right now, so I think I will divulge... I may also post about my EPIC Parahpenlia Charge, and why it is not a good idea to do a bunch of coke and then drink a lot of alchohol (which I very rarely do either of), and then have cop activity in the apartment complex you are in, and then have no judgement skills (because of the alcohol) and decide to venture out five minutes after being spotted in the entrance and flat out running down the stairs, with the intention of going out the back door.. (mind you, these were the same cops that basically followed us back from the party we were at).

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Re: Some observations on the people of this forum [Re: Ped]
    #1869269 - 08/31/03 09:54 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

ostentatious aphorism

don't make up words. I know it makes you sound smart, but.. come on.

As for stroking ego over sharing ideas... nope. Stroking ego would be using words like "ostentatious ahporism" sharing ideas would be getting across thoughts efficiently with language understood by a wide variety of people across the internet and keeping their attention with humorous analogies.. an essential skill when you are battling for people's attention against billions of photos of naked women across millions of connected computers spanning the entire globe.

What a funny situation we're in. Why are you championing these people? Can't they speak for themselves? By you posting in this thread as you are, speaking for people incapable of defending themselves you're implying the same hierarchy you condemn me for spelling out.

And the funny thing is, my post has nothing to do with hierarchy. My post is about writing about things and preaching about things you understand. If I jumped in the sciences forum and started talking about quantum physics or any other laws I didn't understand, I'd be one of the people I'm talking about. My post is about knowing yourself and what you have to offer other people on this forum. If you read a new age book about death and the afterlife and came on here telling us what dying's all about, then you'd be a dronebot. If you came on here and talked about what dying's all about because you just died and are on the other side, then you wouldn't be a dronebot.

I hope people can acknowledge whatever expertise they might have and use that knowledge of their self, not the expertise they find, to empower themselves and contribute interesting thoughts to this forum.

Thanks for comin out ped.


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Re: Some observations on the people of this forum [Re: Dogomush]
    #1869315 - 08/31/03 10:16 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

people gravitate towards safer modes of thought



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Re: Some observations on the people of this forum [Re: infidelGOD]
    #1869417 - 08/31/03 11:01 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

That was profound.


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Isn't quite as it seems?
What if all the world you think you know,
Is an elaborate dream?
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Re: Some observations on the people of this forum [Re: Murex]
    #1870012 - 09/01/03 02:46 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

weeeee, are the champions, my friend.....



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Re: Some observations on the people of this forum [Re: Dogomush]
    #1870770 - 09/01/03 11:18 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

"Only the madman is absolutely sure."


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Re: Some observations on the people of this forum [Re: infidelGOD]
    #1873025 - 09/02/03 02:04 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

infidelGOD: people gravitate towards safer modes of thought

True.

Sclorch: Safe people like thinking safely for safe living.
Gosh durnit... I want safety... and YOU SHOULD TOO!
Here are some new laws that will guarantee all of our safety. I know... you're arguing about freedom now, but you'll be happy later when you're under our security blanket... just wait and see.

Thanks, but I'll sleep on top of the covers. :wink:

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Re: Some observations on the people of this forum [Re: Dogomush]
    #1874313 - 09/02/03 03:51 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

>> What a funny situation we're in. Why are you championing these people? Can't they speak for themselves? By you posting in this thread as you are, speaking for people incapable of defending themselves you're implying the same hierarchy you condemn me for spelling out.

I sincerely hope I don't have to articulate what a stretch this is. This is a grossly convoluted non-sequitur.

The definition of "dronebot" seems to have decayed to "people who talk about things they don't understand." Well my friend, you're not the first to encounter such people, nor are you the last, nor is this the last place you'll find them. Those who only formally understand what they speak of typically are this way because they are insecure. We've all been in this place before.

Understanding this, it seems to me your thread has served no purpose aside from bolstering yourself at the expense of those insecure. Being that we've all earned your label at some time and in some aspects of our lives, it seems painfully unnecessary to segregate people into such a dishonorable category. Not everyone is as far along as us, and we are not as far along as others. We're all in the same boat here. Everyone has their advantages and disadvantages.

What causes me to pull the reigns on my tongue when speaking to you about this has to do with how insensitive and flat your observations seemed to be. People who fit your description are not people who respond well to blunt criticisms of their character. Your transparent attempt to embarass me suggests that you do not respond well to blunt criticisms of your character. As such, on this and all issues, I'd so much rather see encouragement than an attitude of divisiveness. Perhaps I've been a hypocrite in this respect. How quickly anger clouds our judgement.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but is your attitude not one of divisiveness? Have I misterpreted your approach? If I have, please say so. I certainly don't want to make enemies.


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