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Re: Lost and Found [Re: Lewy]
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Sattva, illumination but temporary. I thought of what Swami Tadatmananda said - as we get enlightenment or realization quickly, and then the long process of integration. And 'the divine spark is limited by the qualities of the body.' That addresses it. Who knows the difference between sattva and the divine spark?

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Re: Lost and Found [Re: syncro]
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syncro said:
Sattva, illumination but temporary.


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I thought of what Swami Tadatmananda said - as we get enlightenment or realization quickly, and then the long process of integration. And 'the divine spark is limited by the qualities of the body.'


But integration of the divine spark would imply integration of limitlessness. What happens when limitlessness meets limitations?


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Re: Lost and Found [Re: Blue Cthulhu]
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Thinking again of the crystal showing the color of cloth adjacent. The crystal is unchanged. And it's said in different ways, laws against divinity are false, color of law, mistaking the crystal.

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“Heaven and earth shall pass away” means that they will not continue to exist as separate states. ²My word, which is the resurrection and the life, shall not pass away because life is eternal. ³You are the work of God, and His work is wholly lovable and wholly loving. ⁴This is how a man must think of himself in his heart, because this is what he is. (https://acim.org/acim/en/s/55#2:1-4 | T-1.III.2:1-4)



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Re: Lost and Found [Re: Blue Cthulhu]
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⁴Spirit is in a state of grace forever.
⁵Your reality is only spirit.
⁶Therefore you are in a state of grace forever.



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Re: Lost and Found [Re: Blue Cthulhu]
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"But integration of the divine spark would imply integration of limitlessness."

I think it's stillness or some close cousins. Active in the world I can tend not to admit it, but the mind needs locking up, or as they say, slaying or killing, the movement of thought.

I was using the tat tvam asi, just some gentle repetition within, and it helped lock the subject-object claiming for some moments. The intention doesn't have to be stilling the mind, but it will be an effect.

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Now you are merely asked that you pursue another goal with far less vigilance; with little effort and with little time, and with the power of God maintaining it, and promising success. ²Yet of the two, it is this one you find more difficult. ³The “sacrifice” of self you understand, nor do you deem this cost too heavy. ⁴But a tiny willingness, a nod to God, a greeting to the Christ in you, you find a burden wearisome and tedious, too heavy to be borne. ⁵Yet to the dedication to the truth as God established it no sacrifice is asked, no strain called forth, and all the power of Heaven and the might of truth itself is given to provide the means, and guarantee the goal’s accomplishment.


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Re: Lost and Found [Re: syncro]
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A thought, the divine spark and means are one or intersect, as the appearance, 'means are limited by the qualities of the body.'

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Re: Lost and Found [Re: syncro]
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Means are just thinking of it really. So the divine spark is its thought of itself.

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The thing about sattva is we can 'generate' it or call it, allow it to rise. It may be a reflection but it reflects purely. Thus the emphasis, even beyond sattva, to have ongoing remembrance or discipline, attention. It joins larger spheres of likeness as fruits are evident if not at one time then another. But such is using sattva as a springboard.

There was kind of an unnecessary contradiction which agitated - this kind of agitation good - but under Shankara apparently various chakras are associated with the sheaths including the sahasra, the crown, being the anandamaya kosha whereas otherwise the crown is considered absolute, and so on, the single eye to a wisdom sheath. Makes sense. In any case I think they can be underrated as only temporary, when they are the vehicle. And show me the end of the vehicle.

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Re: Lost and Found [Re: syncro]
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syncro said:
The thing about sattva is we can 'generate' it or call it, allow it to rise. It may be a reflection but it reflects purely...


purely mixed with everything else that is currently in the picture.
generate? callit? allow it? hmmm. sounds like a performance routine
you can cultivate what you are attracted to, and it will become part of your repertoire, and if you are relaxed your repertoire plays out naturally with everything in the picture.


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Re: Lost and Found [Re: redgreenvines]
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It's a routine of industry in say tantric approaches, or yoga by force, at least initially, as in mantra repetition or otherwise, accumulation. It's also in what would appear to be more passive paths imo. There's an intention, to witness or cultivate calmness, to be rigpa, that is unless it's spontaneous which may be called grace, identical with past effort.

But I think we're (all) the same with means in that we treasure them, whether to remember Buddha nature, Brahman or God, insight, the qualities that are fruits such as fearlessness, balance, happiness, a more substantial inner peace and so on.

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Re: Lost and Found [Re: syncro]
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This thing I had about remembering peak experiences, for one as perhaps therapeutic, and to regain what appears lost, enjoyment lila, but it occurred to me, as in Seth Speaks saying to follow thought further where it leads.

The visions are as a promise, uniquely of the same. Oaths are at some point returned and met. The promise is claimed when the gaze is no where else, and while this may be approached by concentration, ecstatic power plays.

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What seems can qualify a vision is the location, the space it occurs in, context being the power and freedom before the content. So just playing about how to enter without so much effort, it's like walking into a room.

So the mind may long to see something again in vision, but being in vision itself is already the victory, as 'not loving from a place off weakness.'

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Re: Lost and Found [Re: syncro]
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syncro said:
This thing I had about remembering peak experiences, for one as perhaps therapeutic, and to regain what appears lost, enjoyment lila, but it occurred to me, as in Seth Speaks saying to follow thought further where it leads.

The visions are as a promise, uniquely of the same. Oaths are at some point returned and met. The promise is claimed when the gaze is no where else, and while this may be approached by concentration, ecstatic power plays.


Oh I think this is totally valid. Sometimes there might be an initial barrier to remembering more fully - do you ever feel sadness when you start to remember ecstasy? Or a memory of Oneness? Ram Dass would talk about the pain of being separated from the Beloved. But through Guru Kripa it seems he learned to carry the Beloved in his heart more and more, wherever he was.

But to remember the Beloved, sometimes it seems like passing back through that pain of Separation, only in reverse.

I should find a Hafiz poem..


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Re: Lost and Found [Re: Blue Cthulhu]
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Peace, looking on itself, extends itself.

I was considering that everything is said sacred, and how difficult it is. We see by our inner state, purpose. A day is a thousand lessons in that over and over. Means are given to purify and correct it, and karma's a bitch, how deeply that can be obscured.

The last thing assumed is power in peace.

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Re: Lost and Found [Re: syncro]
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But how to know the peace that passeth all understanding


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Re: Lost and Found [Re: Blue Cthulhu]
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I mentioned before the idea of carrying a signature key, and I may have made it up, but sometimes it rings with what manifests, as in the experience, we are unique processors of error that can seem larger than ourselves. So it fits like a cryptographic game of tetris, where one may be responsible for his field of 'frequency', and can bridge a gap. It's in the need for function, and corrective function is given, and as we dip our toes in the baby pool, we are told we are power beyond the stars.

So it's like we are here to process all the fear and fuck up of the world, in our own part. No wonder lifetimes are short and we keep on coming back, as who doesn't wash their hands of it? In a sense it seems we are not obligated, but this is our home, and it's a natural process remembering we are one.

The sense of being not obligated at all to it in an enlightened way is the same as processing it because the same body has taken on the invisible. Like to heal something is to see it has no self, or has the threefold nature. "Might as well ignore the world as an optical illusion.'

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The dark psyche is returned as mahamudra(alchemy), and that being the fruit of practice (Longchenpa) would be the source of all abilities (Song of the Bodhisattva or something), found in the various means. Dhyanarigpa

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