fahtster said:

That’s like a hour and a half Long interview of questions.. I’m not answering all that

Pans require different growth parameters than cubes.  The mycelium is more delicate and less robust than cubes.  Their range of needs is narrower than cubensis so, there’s less room for play to get them to perform well.

there has been significant movements with growin pans tho… Baba yagas pans in monos.  The Jcm4620’s “jcm chamber”.  Phenodreamer’s Dreamer tubs

I’m currently working on pans in ziplocks with lots of success




I use a substrate of cv, plant ferts and worm castings that’s so reliable and cheap, you couldn’t pay me to go back to hpoo.

So moves are/have been made to make pans easier and simpler but they all have to still meets those much narrower parameters that pans require.  My ziplocks aren’t magic; it’s just the container.  I still have to get the bags warm enough and have mid 90% sustained rh with periodic drops to 80-85%… that can be difficult when you’re at the mercy of your ambient room temp and rh.  This is why automated systems are preferred.  Once you find that balance and sit comfortably in that narrow range of parameters, you’re golden… you make this tray and put it in there and it grows well.. then it becomes like growing cubes

While simple and easier is the preference, it can be a complicated process to get there.  I’ve been growing pans in ziplocks for almost a year and I’m still not 100% satisfied with the results… at least the consistency of results.  I’m close but not quite there

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MomoMyco said:

I’ve successfully fruited panaeolus from cased grain (popcorn and milo), alfalfa pellets and coir, Fahtster’s CV+ and castings, just coir and castings, 100% horse manure, horse manure and straw, lama manure and coir, lama manure and straw.

I have fruited from both pasteurised and sterilised substrate.

I found that out of all of these options the most significant variable was culture quality and that Fahtster’s substrate recipe is the most repeatable and useful substrate. Easily measured, clean and smell free to work with and perfectly capable of producing bountiful and healthy crops. Cased grain was the easiest to fruit but generally produced pretty small fruit and limited crops.

I use a different fertiliser and micronutrients to Fahtster due to regional availability but focus on matching organic nitrogen levels to True Organics. The fertiliser I use has higher P-K values but it doesn’t seem to matter much.

As others have said, I think the much narrower environmental parameters required, additional costs and narrower economic benefit for commercial growers have limited the amount of well documented information in the wider community.

They are more finicky and demand more from us as cultivators and so less people see early success with minimal investment, particularly in locales outside of their natural habitat.

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