wearetheborg said:

It's me again. This is my second shoe box. It's 16 days old. What do you think?

Unfortunately, nothing's happening. The lid is on the box. The surface actually looks fine in terms of moisture. Is it normal that nothing's happening yet? Should I just be patient? Or is there anything I can do to encourage pinning?

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ReverendMyc said:

If they are true natalensis and not ochraceocentra, then yes, they are reputed to take quite a long time compared to cubes. I have had several tubs fail to produce anything or even show any contam after several months. They colonized and then did nothing else. The rare fruits that I got were not hardy at all. That project has been moved to the back burner for me.

Have you cased them and if so, what was the casing? Also, check out the Nat thread for more specific recommendations. There are very few people growing true nats, so the information on indoor cultivation is pretty limited.

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keenis said:

Did I make truffles?  This was an experiment jar 50/50 popcorn and cvg. Ziplock Tek.  Was waiting for pins and noticed these blobs.

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wearetheborg said:

I used a 1:1 ratio. So, I’ll just have to keep being patient.

Does that mean that if it fruiting ,and I make a clone of it—the clone would also take just as long?

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bluescreen said:

Depends on your spawn to sub ratio, genetics, it's not uncommon to take 20+ days from s2b to pin.

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wearetheborg said:

I used a 1:1 ratio. So, I’ll just have to keep being patient.

Does that mean that if it fruiting ,and I make a clone of it—the clone would also take just as long?

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Tropical said:

I ve got boxes slightly bigger than a shoebox / the standard sterilite.

If 1 mycoquart : 3 qt coir + top layer gives me a 5cm substrate, is it enough r should i put 2 mycoquart + 6 qt coir + top layer?

Asking cuz after some research i ve stumbled upon an answer stating 4.5cm substrate is quite low.

Btw by substrate i mean spawn + coir mixed. If the word is wrong please correct me.

Thanks!

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B Traven said:

Tropical said:

I ve got boxes slightly bigger than a shoebox / the standard sterilite.

If 1 mycoquart : 3 qt coir + top layer gives me a 5cm substrate, is it enough r should i put 2 mycoquart + 6 qt coir + top layer?

Asking cuz after some research i ve stumbled upon an answer stating 4.5cm substrate is quite low.

Btw by substrate i mean spawn + coir mixed. If the word is wrong please correct me.

Thanks!

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A couple thoughts here:

The only real reason I ever have for going lower on the spawning ratio is if I'm trying to sneak something through that's obviously kinda fucked already, so I just want to get it colonized and fruiting ASAP before things collapse. Either that, or just "I've got this one last jar to spawn and don't want to prep more coir, I guess it's gonna be light on coir."

Otherwise, extra coir isn't really that big a deal. Healthy mycelium will still chew through it pretty quickly. Also, more coir means more moisture in the mix, and bette rodds of getting through a flush or two without having to worry too much about rehydrating.

But also, compressing substrates has been a game-changer for me. You can pack more coir into your substrate and then just compress it down to your desired height. Also, less space for the myc to traverse to get to all that coir and water.

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Splittinghairs said:

B Traven said:

Tropical said:

I ve got boxes slightly bigger than a shoebox / the standard sterilite.

If 1 mycoquart : 3 qt coir + top layer gives me a 5cm substrate, is it enough r should i put 2 mycoquart + 6 qt coir + top layer?

Asking cuz after some research i ve stumbled upon an answer stating 4.5cm substrate is quite low.

Btw by substrate i mean spawn + coir mixed. If the word is wrong please correct me.

Thanks!

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A couple thoughts here:

The only real reason I ever have for going lower on the spawning ratio is if I'm trying to sneak something through that's obviously kinda fucked already, so I just want to get it colonized and fruiting ASAP before things collapse. Either that, or just "I've got this one last jar to spawn and don't want to prep more coir, I guess it's gonna be light on coir."

Otherwise, extra coir isn't really that big a deal. Healthy mycelium will still chew through it pretty quickly. Also, more coir means more moisture in the mix, and bette rodds of getting through a flush or two without having to worry too much about rehydrating.

But also, compressing substrates has been a game-changer for me. You can pack more coir into your substrate and then just compress it down to your desired height. Also, less space for the myc to traverse to get to all that coir and water.

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If we use the P9 tek, he uses 1:6 ratio and that can take forever.

I would think extra coir past that point would start having a negative effect if you had a slow colonizing pheno. Be it from drying out or even the slightest contam winning.

When it came to weighing out my ABV when I was messing around with the P9 and ratios, I didn’t see a lot of weight difference between the 1:3 tubs and the 1:4 tubs though.

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bluescreen said:

Splittinghairs said:

B Traven said:

Tropical said:

I ve got boxes slightly bigger than a shoebox / the standard sterilite.

If 1 mycoquart : 3 qt coir + top layer gives me a 5cm substrate, is it enough r should i put 2 mycoquart + 6 qt coir + top layer?

Asking cuz after some research i ve stumbled upon an answer stating 4.5cm substrate is quite low.

Btw by substrate i mean spawn + coir mixed. If the word is wrong please correct me.

Thanks!

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A couple thoughts here:

The only real reason I ever have for going lower on the spawning ratio is if I'm trying to sneak something through that's obviously kinda fucked already, so I just want to get it colonized and fruiting ASAP before things collapse. Either that, or just "I've got this one last jar to spawn and don't want to prep more coir, I guess it's gonna be light on coir."

Otherwise, extra coir isn't really that big a deal. Healthy mycelium will still chew through it pretty quickly. Also, more coir means more moisture in the mix, and bette rodds of getting through a flush or two without having to worry too much about rehydrating.

But also, compressing substrates has been a game-changer for me. You can pack more coir into your substrate and then just compress it down to your desired height. Also, less space for the myc to traverse to get to all that coir and water.

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If we use the P9 tek, he uses 1:6 ratio and that can take forever.

I would think extra coir past that point would start having a negative effect if you had a slow colonizing pheno. Be it from drying out or even the slightest contam winning.

When it came to weighing out my ABV when I was messing around with the P9 and ratios, I didn’t see a lot of weight difference between the 1:3 tubs and the 1:4 tubs though.

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Keep in mind stipe came on this tek with PE in mind,and one of the goals was first flush is all.

I've done a tiny fraction of the number of boxes stipe has, and I can't do the 1:6 as I don't have the room to fruit them in larger tubs (shoeboxes). But what he and all the other TCs harp on rings true, clean spawn is 99+% of the game. I do shoes, and according to stipes regs of 50 to 70% of coir water transmitted to fruits regularly hit 60-70 so am happy there. That's with a 1:3 or 4 ratio.

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