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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: koma23]
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koma23 said:
fahtster said:
Sounds like your lc is contaminated and getting worse over time.  Ppl store myc long-term in water without any ill effects.



I don't think it's contam. No other LC's have this issue ... But you never know ┐⁠(⁠ ⁠∵⁠ ⁠)⁠┌



Do you use a needle and SHIP for subsequent inoculation purposes?

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Mr Piggy]
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Mr Piggy said:
You don’t win against bacteria, it’s in there permanently just like any other contamination.  No myc ever “wins” against a contamination.

People still spawn bacterial jars with plenty of success.  The purpose of a shake is to mix up that last bit so it might colonize, and to see if the jar will recover or if it’s just fucked.



So we are clear, recover means that it will look "normal" and have a normal smell?  And be fully colonized?

I can't tell you how intensely I want to complete a clean grow from spores... I suppose getting this far with only bacteria is far from the worse thing that could happen


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The closer you get to the meaning the sooner you know that you're dreaming

How the Bushman gets stuff done

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: hidingbush]
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I've had one of those that slowly creeped into a sinister smile before. That's bacteria.

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: GenesisCorrupted] * 1
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id send it 💁‍♂️

whatever.  bet it will make a few shrooms.  dig it out with a spoon and try to leave that nasty bit behind.

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: BeefExtreme] * 1
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Last time I dug out with a spoon... to be fair this was from a way too wet bag I bought and stuck with a syringe so that says it all




Thankfully I've got other jars also but I have faith in this one.


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The closer you get to the meaning the sooner you know that you're dreaming

How the Bushman gets stuff done

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: hidingbush] * 6
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hidingbush said:
Last time I dug out with a spoon... to be fair this was from a way too wet bag I bought and stuck with a syringe so that says it all




Thankfully I've got other jars also but I have faith in this one.



Homie over here just giving out feet pics for free


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I want to stand as close to the edge as I can without going over. Out on the edge you see all the kinds of things you can't see from the center.          -Kurt Vonnegut

The Edge... there is no honest way to explain it because the only people who really know where it is are the ones who have gone over.  -Hunter S. Thompson

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: neuroshaman]
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Thought he was showing he didn’t have any foot fungus?

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Splittinghairs] * 3
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I was attempting an arial transfer from the green tub spores to my feet.




We are cultured and have evolved, it is now feet or gtfo


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: hidingbush] * 3
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There's the bush you've been hiding all this time!

I'm a hobbit too, it's ok. We're just never going to score with the feet crowd.


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Species grown so far

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: koma23]
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koma23 said:
I doubt it's the nutes as the LC still has a lot of honey's golden color, which usually dissipates if you don't replenish it with new honey water.

Tnx



Liquid culture is technically an expansion media and not a storage medium. You can get more time out of it by slowing it down in the refrigerator. With proper techniques you can get much longer than 1-2 months though.

Anecdotal performance differences - in absence of contamination and with the same controls - could easily be attributed to "genetics A vs genetics B." As in, your next new run of that strain might perform how you'd like, simple as that.

If you want to store long term, like faht was referencing, the order is:
liquid culture < agar plate < slant < Fiorelli method

Those are the accessible methods to hobbyists generally, and if you can do one of those you can do any of them.


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My posts are long winded and dense.
Supplemented coir experiments< Currently ongoing spring 2026.

~Agar~ 1000mL water = 1000g water. use ~1% agar...1% of 1000g is 10g.  For cubes, use between 1-2% nutes (10-20g). For pans use 0.5% nutes (5g).

Everything I have typed is purely fiction, and is purely for personal amusement.
All images I've posted are not mine and I am simply posting interesting things I found on the Google.

Edited by Kunta Kente (02/24/26 04:05 PM)

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Kunta Kente]
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To anyone experienced in pasteurizing, what usability timelines do you typically shoot for with manure? Cv+?

I'm considering repasteurizing due to like a 10-12 day delay on the manure and 7-9 day on the CV+. But I could just be overly aggressively applying lab standards.


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My posts are long winded and dense.
Supplemented coir experiments< Currently ongoing spring 2026.

~Agar~ 1000mL water = 1000g water. use ~1% agar...1% of 1000g is 10g.  For cubes, use between 1-2% nutes (10-20g). For pans use 0.5% nutes (5g).

Everything I have typed is purely fiction, and is purely for personal amusement.
All images I've posted are not mine and I am simply posting interesting things I found on the Google.

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Kunta Kente]
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Mr Piggy said:
There’s no reason for cube myc to behave much differently than other cube myc.  In this instance a cube is a cube.  I’m with faht here, you probably have a sneaky hidden contam in the culture.  I’ve been fighting my own sneaky mold problem with a couple of cultures.  Every time I think I’ve cleaned them up and go to spawn, there the lil fucker is again.



Hm, yeah, it's not just one culture though, it's three ... : ( Sneaky contam, maybe it's just that the pe cultures are more prone to contam than others and my workflow isn't good enough for them. Although I do everything infront of a flow hood. I've got around 20 LC's of non PE cube's, and they never behave like this and are usable for 6 months, even more.

Have ya'll ever used LC's with APE and PE? Have you noticed anything? Or do you just do gtg or agar to grain ...?

Kunta Kente said:
koma23 said:
I doubt it's the nutes as the LC still has a lot of honey's golden color, which usually dissipates if you don't replenish it with new honey water.

Tnx



Liquid culture is technically an expansion media and not a storage medium. You can get more time out of it by slowing it down in the refrigerator. With proper techniques you can get much longer than 1-2 months though.

Anecdotal performance differences - in absence of contamination and with the same controls - could easily be attributed to "genetics A vs genetics B." As in, your next new run of that strain might perform how you'd like, simple as that.

If you want to store long term, like faht was referencing, the order is:
liquid culture < agar plate < slant < Fiorelli method

Those are the accessible methods to hobbyists generally, and if you can do one of those you can do any of them.



Yes, I do use SHIP'S. But am very careful and always leave ethanol for 30s on it before poking it with a needle. And as I've mentioned above, I've got 20 LC's of non PE cubes and are usable for a long long time.

I'm really thinking that shaking them up every, let's say two weeks, fucks the cultures up too much, or there happens a genetic drift or if it is contam, it's bc these cultures are more sensitive to it, or it's a hidden mold like mentioned above, but in lieu of 20 other LC's performing fine, Occam's razor I'm leaning more towards cultures not recovering properly/genetic drift. I'll try doing gtg or agar to grain probably from now on, but those are both a pita if you ask me compared to LC's : /

* I don't know why you're talking about storage and LC's in the same sentence though? For storage I have cryovials, LC's are for inoculating jars ...

Appreciate your input mate : )

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: koma23]
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koma23 said:
Have ya'll ever used LC's with APE and PE? Have you noticed anything? Or do you just do gtg or agar to grain ...?




Did LC with PE and no issue, but I pretty much used it and forgot about it as soon as it was ready as I was comparing LC workflow to agar.

Myc labs use magnetic stirrers on timers to agitate LC and facilitate faster proliferation and aeration...granted that's gentle, and definitely not shaking, but swirling every two weeks certainly isn't an issue for the myc.

Messing with it too early would be bad, and more specifically shaking too aggressively is definitely bad. You can mess up your LC by compromising the filter (wetting it), by shaking hard enough that the filter doesn't effectively filter relative to the air pressure you're generating, and if there are any present contaminants then mixing will redistribute them and begin the battle anew.

Idk how spread out your trials / genetics are, but if the myc forms a thick raft like a SCOBY, it would be quicker to decide to no longer expand due to a lack of available oxygen.


Tldr:
I'd say gently swirl your LC a few days after inoculation, then maybe once every 1-2 days, and then stop after you reach clear culture density.

and if this is all from the same agar plate then do a new MS swipe or culture reset by taking it to fruit and getting a new print.


I was saying storage in case you were meaning to use LC for that purpose. I couldn't tell based on your post.


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My posts are long winded and dense.
Supplemented coir experiments< Currently ongoing spring 2026.

~Agar~ 1000mL water = 1000g water. use ~1% agar...1% of 1000g is 10g.  For cubes, use between 1-2% nutes (10-20g). For pans use 0.5% nutes (5g).

Everything I have typed is purely fiction, and is purely for personal amusement.
All images I've posted are not mine and I am simply posting interesting things I found on the Google.

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Kunta Kente]
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Kunta Kente said:
koma23 said:
Have ya'll ever used LC's with APE and PE? Have you noticed anything? Or do you just do gtg or agar to grain ...?




Did LC with PE and no issue, but I pretty much used it and forgot about it as soon as it was ready as I was comparing LC workflow to agar.

Myc labs use magnetic stirrers on timers to agitate LC and facilitate faster proliferation and aeration...granted that's gentle, and definitely not shaking, but swirling every two weeks certainly isn't an issue for the myc.

Messing with it too early would be bad, and more specifically shaking too aggressively is definitely bad. You can mess up your LC by compromising the filter (wetting it), by shaking hard enough that the filter doesn't effectively filter relative to the air pressure you're generating, and if there are any present contaminants then mixing will redistribute them and begin the battle anew.

Idk how spread out your trials / genetics are, but if the myc forms a thick raft like a SCOBY, it would be quicker to decide to no longer expand due to a lack of available oxygen.


Tldr:
I'd say gently swirl your LC a few days after inoculation, then maybe once every 1-2 days, and then stop after you reach clear culture density.

and if this is all from the same agar plate then do a new MS swipe or culture reset by taking it to fruit and getting a new print.


I was saying storage in case you were meaning to use LC for that purpose. I couldn't tell based on your post.



My bad, I meant swirling, I'm definitely not shaking them! I've shaken LC's once or twice in my life, and at those time's the myc got so fragmented, it coagulated on the top and formed what you mentioned; something similar to a scoby. Definitely not shaking them no! :smile: And in regards to filters, I'm using 0.22um hydrophobic filters, so that shouldn't be an issue, it works for other LC's ... And your workflow, in regards to swirling timing, sounds about the same as mine.

Tnx mate : D

Edited by koma23 (02/24/26 06:10 PM)

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: koma23] * 3
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Today I learned people on the shroomery have really round big toes.

Hiding bush, I can almost promise that jar will smell sour as it's bacterial.  The shake is to see if it would recover at all, but beef is also right that you could dig out the sus spot with a spoon and give it a go.  I really like zips for the sus jars.  They get their own bag so if it does go bad it doesn't fuck up the good jars in the mix.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Mr Piggy]
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Yo any ideas what might have caused this weirdness? It’s golden halo cube, so it should be pretty normal but they came out super weird. Lots of big aborts and super fuzzy.



The surface also looked pretty strange before pinning.


I’m thinking there was a hidden mold intermeshed with the myc all the way back to the agar plates possibly, but I never saw any obvious signs to confirm that. Could this be an issue of not enough gas exchange? The shoebox lives in a closet but the door is always open and the lid was flipped.

Any thoughts or advice is appreciated!

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: ElGringoGrande]
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ElGringoGrande said:
Yo any ideas what might have caused this weirdness? It’s golden halo cube, so it should be pretty normal but they came out super weird. Lots of big aborts and super fuzzy.



The surface also looked pretty strange before pinning.


I’m thinking there was a hidden mold intermeshed with the myc all the way back to the agar plates possibly, but I never saw any obvious signs to confirm that. Could this be an issue of not enough gas exchange? The shoebox lives in a closet but the door is always open and the lid was flipped.

Any thoughts or advice is appreciated!



Firstly I don't see or think any of those in the first pic are aborts. Just dark caps.

Second pic looks good. That's healthy mycelium poking out everywhere. It's excited to be here too.

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: ElGringoGrande]
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Thanks for all the coir info, everyone! Mostly wanted to make sure Amazon wasn't ripping me off. I tried an off-brand and, while it worked, it smelled like hot plastic and ass. I will be switching to Coco Bliss on the next round.


I'm curious. What is the cheapest option y'all have come across to get a Laminar Flow Hood or FFU on the table? I found this one on the midwest grow kits site, has anyone used it? I know I don't need one, but I am willing to invest in one if I stick with this hobby long-term. I don't really trust myself to make a DIY one either but if anyone has any links for teks on the subject I would be down to consider it.

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: RhyzoPhreak]
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Thanks DV8DUG, you’re probably right. I just feel like something’s off with this shoebox. It took a long time to pin and they’re going pretty slow, super thick fuzzy stems and lackluster pin set. Some are laying flat too and some are curling downward, which I didn’t take as a good sign. I’ll just let them keep doing their thing and hopefully they open up so I can get a print. Appreciate the input!

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: RhyzoPhreak] * 1
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RhyzoPhreak said:
Thanks for all the coir info, everyone! Mostly wanted to make sure Amazon wasn't ripping me off. I tried an off-brand and, while it worked, it smelled like hot plastic and ass. I will be switching to Coco Bliss on the next round.


I'm curious. What is the cheapest option y'all have come across to get a Laminar Flow Hood or FFU on the table? I found this one on the midwest grow kits site, has anyone used it? I know I don't need one, but I am willing to invest in one if I stick with this hobby long-term. I don't really trust myself to make a DIY one either but if anyone has any links for teks on the subject I would be down to consider it.



Here's Honey Badgers build

My build

Some of the math

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