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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: boceephus_Jones]
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What’s good peeps? Any recommendations for Wbs? Any brand in particular that seems better than others? What say you?


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Mr Piggy]
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Mr Piggy said:
Yeah, cut all that crap away from the arm holes.  The holes are supposed to be open so there is no billows effect from your arms moving while you work.  This is why a glove box is outdated and insufficient for what we do.  By making those tape covers or sleeves or whatever you are creating a billows effect that will turn it from a still air box to a moving air box.




I hear what you're saying, and I'm familiar with the bellows effect. From my understanding it is caused by having an airtight container which you are changing the volume of with the gloves moving around, like a bellows. These are really just plastic flaps, they don't create anything close to an airtight seal.

Mr Piggy said:
I wouldn't have side shelves, or store things in there, or use alcohol inside the box.  Doesn't matter if your torch is in there, have a box full of alcohol fumes and an open flame anywhere in the vicinity and you will experience what a lot of people here already have, a big woof and no eyebrows.  Sure wipe down your box before hand, wipe down plates and jars when putting them in, but leave the box there with the arm holes open so while the air in the box goes still and the particulates drop the alcohol fumes will vacate the box.




I choose to store my cultures and tools inside of the container when not in use, due to my living arrangements. The SAB gets pulled out, work is done, then it is hidden away again until next use. The SAB is large and isn't used very frequently, the storage space inside of it would be wasted if I left it empty as you suggest, and I'd also have to find another place to hide all my shit.

I don't really wipe the box down, I think today was the first time I ever cleaned it (shame on me, I know) but I was using alcohol inside of the box to wipe down tools, plates, and jars... A small voice in my head started to wonder at what concentration the alcohol / air mix becomes combustible...  I will refrain from doing this going forward, as you suggest, because I am rather fond of my eyebrows. Not worth the risk, if be so upset if my box blew up and I lost my cultures!

And now since I will be wiping down everything -before- putting it inside the box, I suppose having those flaps there creates a contamination vector. They would rub all up on the jars during insertion.

Say, if the alcohol evaporates and the fumes are vacating the box ... Isn't that creating air currents? How long would you recommend waiting after wiping everything down to begin working?

Anyways, thanks for the solid advice Mr. Piggy. I'll chop off my dirty bomb flaps next time I pull out the box. If I start having contamination issues then I'll make some sort of removable cover for the holes when the box is not in use, but I'll follow your suggestion first and see what's good.

Sometimes I get a little caught up with process improvement and efficiency, and lose sight of the bigger picture.

Good looking out, thanks again!


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Archespore]
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For the photo conversion guys, use WEBP format, it's the most efficient and high quality, 10MB+ photo's dropped to 512KB~ or less. Future format all browsers and devices support now.

Not sure how the mobile devices do it but I use irfanview with plugins, it's awesome turning my high quality photo's into something you guys can see no blurs.

Hope this helps someone.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Archespore]
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Archespore said:
AZ Starman2112 said:
Don’t work with an open flame in the SAB. It creates currents and if you’re working with ISO, bad idea. Develop a smooth flow and flame your tools outside the SAB.



I'm not working with an open flame inside of the alcohol fumed SAB, I'm not a complete idiot. Thanks for the advice, lol.

I felt that I was rather specific with my question regarding the arm flap and insertion of my tool laden hand...



Sorry man, I didn’t understand what you were saying and definitely didn’t mean you were an idiot. However, stick around a while here and you get to see some crazy stuff. I spray down my box with ISO 1/2 hour before using it and when I’m done. I never work with ISO in the box though nor an open flame in the SAB or near the openings. But yeah as Piggy said, flaps aren’t really needed. Covers for the holes when the box isn’t in use or when you have plates setting and cooling is a nice thing to have.

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Mr Piggy]
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Nokumana said:
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Don’t work with an open flame in the SAB. It creates currents and if you’re working with ISO, bad idea. Develop a smooth flow and flame your tools outside the SAB.



I'm curious what your thoughts are about what I do. I have an induction coil sterilizer which I keep inside the SAB. I can heat the scalpel blade to red hot without removing my arms. I often keep a small jar of ISO inside the SAB also which I will drop my scalpel into when I need to put it down.




Mr Piggy said:
Ditch the iso and keep that induction coil OUTSIDE of the box.  The heat is creating convection currents in the box, the alcohol is inflammable, and the iso is not required because heat sterilizing is what is keeping things clean.



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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: AZ Starman2112]
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AZ Starman2112 said:
Archespore said:
AZ Starman2112 said:
Don’t work with an open flame in the SAB. It creates currents and if you’re working with ISO, bad idea. Develop a smooth flow and flame your tools outside the SAB.



I'm not working with an open flame inside of the alcohol fumed SAB, I'm not a complete idiot. Thanks for the advice, lol.

I felt that I was rather specific with my question regarding the arm flap and insertion of my tool laden hand...



Sorry man, I didn’t understand what you were saying and definitely didn’t mean you were an idiot. However, stick around a while here and you get to see some crazy stuff. I spray down my box with ISO 1/2 hour before using it and when I’m done. I never work with ISO in the box though nor an open flame in the SAB or near the openings. But yeah as Piggy said, flaps aren’t really needed. Covers for the holes when the box isn’t in use or when you have plates setting and cooling is a nice thing to have.



All good, brother. I was definitely being a partial idiot, I was working with ISO inside of the box. That's no bueno, I have since been educated. Fortunately I had enough good sense to only stick my hands inside of the bomb, instead of putting fire inside :grin: 

Sorry about the tone, I forget to write smiley faces sometimes and my words can seem ... Abrasive.

Thanks for sharing your methods.
Do you think the iso spray is necessary? Is it standard practice?

Also while I'm here:
I'm currently working with a Golden Teacher culture, seeking "uniform growth" here's how it's lookin'




QQ: is this growth uniform enough or should I take another transfer?

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Archespore] * 2
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Looks good enough to drop to me.

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Archespore]
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Archespore said:
AZ Starman2112 said:
Archespore said:
AZ Starman2112 said:
Don’t work with an open flame in the SAB. It creates currents and if you’re working with ISO, bad idea. Develop a smooth flow and flame your tools outside the SAB.



I'm not working with an open flame inside of the alcohol fumed SAB, I'm not a complete idiot. Thanks for the advice, lol.

I felt that I was rather specific with my question regarding the arm flap and insertion of my tool laden hand...



Sorry man, I didn’t understand what you were saying and definitely didn’t mean you were an idiot. However, stick around a while here and you get to see some crazy stuff. I spray down my box with ISO 1/2 hour before using it and when I’m done. I never work with ISO in the box though nor an open flame in the SAB or near the openings. But yeah as Piggy said, flaps aren’t really needed. Covers for the holes when the box isn’t in use or when you have plates setting and cooling is a nice thing to have.



All good, brother. I was definitely being a partial idiot, I was working with ISO inside of the box. That's no bueno, I have since been educated. Fortunately I had enough good sense to only stick my hands inside of the bomb, instead of putting fire inside :grin: 

Sorry about the tone, I forget to write smiley faces sometimes and my words can seem ... Abrasive.

Thanks for sharing your methods.
Do you think the iso spray is necessary? Is it standard practice?

Also while I'm here:
I'm currently working with a Golden Teacher culture, seeking "uniform growth" here's how it's lookin'




QQ: is this growth uniform enough or should I take another transfer?



Yeah man all good! I don’t know if misting down the inside of the SAB with ISO is standard practice, but it is what I do. I have one of those continuous spray mister bottles for it and one for my water on the shroom boxes. I keep an immaculately clean SAB. I’ve been misting them down from day one, a 1/2 hour before using it and always when complete for the day. It’s worked so why fix something that isn’t broken?

That culture looks good man! I’d let it continue to grow out and if it stays clean, send it. Some might argue with that thicker growth at 3 o’clock, but I’ve sent stuff like that with no issue. Like I say it looks good to me.

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: AZ Starman2112]
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Is there a preferred hot plate/convection plate for running a 23 qt pressure cooker? My apartment has an electric stove and I heard it’s not preferred when using a pc. Doubt a plate would be much better but looking for some community input, don’t want to have to go to someone else’s house to sterilize my shit.

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Dj_karma_magnet]
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Can you use this? $41 on the Zon. They use these in restaurants for table side flambés.



Edit: this one is $30


Edited by AZ Starman2112 (02/18/26 11:58 PM)

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: AZ Starman2112] * 1
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This is awesome! Thank you

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Dj_karma_magnet]
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Dj_karma_magnet said:
Is there a preferred hot plate/convection plate for running a 23 qt pressure cooker? My apartment has an electric stove and I heard it’s not preferred when using a pc. Doubt a plate would be much better but looking for some community input, don’t want to have to go to someone else’s house to sterilize my shit.



Hate to be the safety guy but please make sure it doesn't exceed 12k BTUs or you could damage the bomb pressure cooker. I have the same size Presto as you and I remember there being a warning in the beginning because I ran two cycles last night. I read the instructions each time like a nub because I am wary. Once I get a few more successful cooks under my belt I'll probably relax a little.

Can I ask why exactly is your specific stove type not recommended? Is it one of those coil types that could be warped by the weight or something?

I have a gas stove and once the rocker is on I drop it to as low as it can possibly go without extinguishing (and even then I'm forced to check on it occasionally) and it's still just a touch too hot.

I guess what Im trying to say is it takes a surprisingly small amount of heat to keep the pressure in the right range. I imagine it has something to do with the pressure needing less heat to steam or something but I'm woefully uneducated, or have forgotten some basic principles of thermodynamics ;_;


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Archespore]
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What's your typical time to go from agar to inoculated substrate to bulk substrate to fruit? I have some spotty notes on my process, but I think it's typically two to three months, maybe? I'm curious how I'm doing and if there's a reasonable way to speed it up. Maybe I just need more batches going in parallel, but I'd love to learn if there are better ways.

FWIW, I'm doing PC rye berries then mixing with coconut coir.

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: cf7f36d6]
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cf7f36d6 said:
What's your typical time to go from agar to inoculated substrate to bulk substrate to fruit? I have some spotty notes on my process, but I think it's typically two to three months, maybe? I'm curious how I'm doing and if there's a reasonable way to speed it up. Maybe I just need more batches going in parallel, but I'd love to learn if there are better ways.

FWIW, I'm doing PC rye berries then mixing with coconut coir.



Why do you want to speed things up? Trying to produce large amounts? You mention increasing the number of batches, but that only increases quantity. It doesn't reduce time.

I cultivate as a hobby, ( mostly c; ) so I prefer to have a little bit of something at each stage "so there's always something cool to look at" as a wise man once said. Like an assembly line you know? Once you have a jar or 3 of dried shrooms you're set for personal use lol. Time it better next time and don't run out!

But you're here for better answers so...

For me I'd say it takes 2 or 3 weeks to fully colonize a jar , then 3 or 4 weeks ish to fruit. Species, variety, and temperature can affect the timelines greatly.

If you want specifics, then I spawned to bulk some overdue jars of BV on December 28th and then harvested the chonky fruit in my signature on Jan 23rd... So 26 days. So yeah your 2-3 month estimate seems right to me.

Now if you wanna speed it up and that's your main priority, here's some things you can do:

-transfer your agar wedge as soon as you see it's clean
-use liquid culture
-keep your temps at the higher end of comfortable for cubes
-break and shake asap, use a smaller grain for more inoculation points

I'm sure there's more but that's what I got, off the dome.

Please keep in mind that if you start taking shortcuts, you will experience more failures. It's kinda like a tradeoff, the more you start min maxing this shit, the more fuckups you'll have as you test limits.

You gotta decide if it's worth it. I reckon most folks around here will tell you it isn't worth it but we all have different goals and motivations. I would not tell a newbie to do any of the things I mentioned up there , but you said you have some experience so... Do with that info what you will!

Now if you wanted the absolute fastest way to get mushrooms growing (and you've no soul, nor shame) and are willing to accept heavy losses I'd say get a 10cc LC syringe from a trusted vendor of a fast grower, say Ochras,  and buy yourself 8 AIO bags from amzn because you'll probably lose half of them, knock them each up with 1cc and throw em on top of your fridge. You're bound to get a mushroom pretty quick. :pokerawe:

Best of luck, bud!


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Edited by Archespore (02/19/26 03:19 AM)

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: cf7f36d6] * 2
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Week or two for clean culture to fill out a plate, another two or three weeks for grain to colonize, and two or three or four weeks for substrate to colonize and fruit. Longer if temps are low.

If you don't like to wait, having lots of projects going in parallel (staggered so they're in different stages) is the solution...though it can be really easy to get overwhelmed. :lol:

There are no real shortcuts. Though PF tek probably has a shorter overall cycle than going to grain spawn and then bulk. :smile:

Liquid culture does speed up the grain colonizing part a bit, but it's usually better to get solid results from agar to grain first so you know you have your sterile technique down.

Edit: revise my bulk fruiting estimate, not sure I've ever actually had it take less than three weeks from spawn to fruit.

And it looks like I didn't really add much beyond Archespore's ninja response - sorry!

Edited by Phaethon (02/19/26 03:20 AM)

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Phaethon] * 1
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Hey man, as far as I'm concerned hearing the same thing twice just makes it that much more believable c:

Especially considering the source (in this case, a rookie like myself) ya know? I've been awake for the better part of two days and Ive been stuck getting ink for several hours. I'm using my phone as a distraction from the pain lol.

Also it's like 5 pm here rn so while all the cool kids are asleep I can dole out mediocre advice and work on my grow logs ahahah

Cheers!

:ninjawe:


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Archespore] * 3
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Archespore said:
All the cool kids are asleep.

Cheers!




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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Kloakk] * 5
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It's okay Kloakk, we aren't kids anymore.

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: DERRAYLD] * 4
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DERRAYLD said:
It's okay Kloakk, we aren't kids anymore.



Oh man, you're not only telling me I'm not going to grow any taller, but that we're old as well :uhoh: What a way to start the day :rofl:


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Kloakk] * 2
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Sorry dude... I thought you knew.

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