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Re: AGAR ENVY! (Anything and All things agar!) [Re: anders]
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anders said:
ThurmanMurman said:
My brother in Christ...



Ja Thurman, I understand your true intentions here, and as an aside although I do believe in the teachings of the leader Christ, almost no one these days understands nor actually knows them, much less really lives by them.  And in any case I am an atheist.

Your heartfelt post is enough for me to change my practice of excising trich and other contaminents, to excising the healthy instead, as I am not intransigent, and I respect you.  Science makes the decision.

Also I have made further developments in this craft, but feel unsafe in this environment so I will practice them on my own.  (A Mod, who I did not know is a Mod, is allowed to insult and punish us, however we are not allowed to respond in kind?)  Well it's the way it is. 

I keep my developments to myself.  It is my consolation.





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"For the powerful freedom-takers who rob justice from us all, that's why I keep my pistol loaded, powder, cap, and ball..."
Read more, post less!
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Re: AGAR ENVY! (Anything and All things agar!) [Re: Headass]
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Headass said:
I did get some TSA, but have not poured it yet.  I just got to get it poured



Me too. I’m just now cleaning the lab and moving my stuff back to the basement. I got my FFU running and disinfected. I hate the smell of peroxyacetic acid.

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Re: AGAR ENVY! (Anything and All things agar!) [Re: Bunny.12]
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Bunny.12 said: Hi, thank you for the information. I just bought the syringe of spores as it was one of the few places selling material in my country. I had no luck germinating spores on previous plates so I just left the drop of solution in the corner hoping two spores meet up. Just for kicks I will be trying to isolate a few of these sites and transfer them onto new plates. Of course I can not find any stainless steel wire (it is in a box here somewhere) but then I had a thought. I could use the end of a guitar string as one.





Way to think on your own! Very good on improvising! I'm not sure if it would work but if I were to make a change to your design, I would use a string that is not wound. Too many crevices in a wound string. If you decide to use this as a tool, I would love to see your results!


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Re: AGAR ENVY! (Anything and All things agar!) [Re: RoscoeReturns] * 1
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I get the concept now, but would not have thought of using it.  I read your post a bit ago and thought it would be interesting to play with it.  I have some mixed up in a media bottle and will pour in a couple days.  I’ll post some results soon

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Re: AGAR ENVY! (Anything and All things agar!) [Re: Tormato]
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Hi all,

I'm just getting back into the hobby after about 2-3 year break so I started with some agar plates from some spore syringes I had from before. I was never a "pro" by any means but I had 2 successful monotubs and did about 30 agar plates (mostly for fun and practice) so I at a minimum know the basics. Furthermore in those 30 or so plates I never had any contam the whole time.

Now nearly every plate has contam (I think at least). I had 3 plates directly from syringe growing nicely, 2/3 I noticed had this thin translucent spots/blobs on them but not touching the mycelium so I decided to transfer all 3 onto 12 plates, 4 each. The 3rd plate showed and still shows no contam at all. The 12 new plates all show the same spots even the ones made from the "clean" plate. Im assuming the awnser to this is better sterile technique and likely new syringes to start fresh but want some confirmation/advice
Also what is this contam?

Thanks

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Re: AGAR ENVY! (Anything and All things agar!) [Re: jimjam02]
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Lots of bacteria there, are you sterilizing your tools?
Working in a sab?

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Re: AGAR ENVY! (Anything and All things agar!) [Re: RoscoeReturns] * 1
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wavyedge said:
I know gentamicin survives autoclaving temps, so you add when you mix. Best to look up the guidance on whatever you add individually.

Antibiotics can have a real effect on mycelial growth and health, so best to only use for trying to clean up a transfer, and drop onto normal media for growth and expansion.



anders said:
Gentamicin is gram-negative, and evidently hasn't worked, which imples that the bacteria we are concerned with is gram-positive.

Chloramphenicol is gram-positive, and may do it.

Trichoderma (the green) is a mold, not bacterial.



RoscoeReturns said:
Gentamicin is heat stable and will survive autoclaving just fine. You can add that to your broth before you sterilize.

Chloramphenicol is NOT heat stable. After you autoclave your media you must wait until it cools before adding chloramphenicol. It must be added aseptically to your liquid media just before you pour. Chloramphenicol is also degraded by hydrolysis in an aqueous vehicle. Use those plates soon after you pour them, they don’t retain activity for very long. Refrigeration can slow that process.

Malt extract agar already inhibits the growth of most bacterial species due to its acidic pH. Key words being inhibits growth, not kills off. I’m currently experimenting with using tryptic soy agar media to see if this growth inhibition is causing “false negatives.” If bacteria is present yet not able to grow am I seeing a clean plate that is not really clean?

Having said all that, I have used antibiotic agar in the past to clean up very dirty cultures that I couldn’t otherwise replace. Other than that very rare (for me) instance, I don’t see the utility of it in cultivation. I’ve had equal success using cabin sequestering, so I don’t know that I’ll go through the added steps of making antibiotic agar again.



Thanks for the infos. I was not aware that Chloramphenicol is degraded by hydrolysis in an aqueous vehicle. That is very useful to know!

I'm waiting for a few more supplies to arrive before proceeding. I've decided to switch from test tubes and pipettes to vials and syringes for doing spore solutions and serial dilutions. Also been considering the best way to sterilize the temperature probe of the magnetic stirrer hot plate and have landed on soaking it in 12% hydrogen peroxide in a measuring cylinder overnight prior to use. Waiting for lab stuff to arrive is like waiting for Christmas as a kid.

I did have another idea about isolating monokaryons which is to filter the spore solution through a 20 μm filter prior to cell counting and dilution with the aim of eliminating the majority of the clumps and increasing the single spore ratio. Maybe even 10 μm. I didn't find any sterile 10 or 20 μm syringe filters though and it is ultimately an unnecessary optimization. Still would. For reference, the spore solutions I made the other day with 0.01% Polysorbate 20 and vortexing came out at:
  • Psilocybe Subaeruginosa (2 year old spore print): 0.42 single spores to clump ratio, 270K CFUs / mL
  • Psoilcybe Natalensis (newer spore print): 2.38 single spores to clump ratio, 135K CFUs / mL


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Re: AGAR ENVY! (Anything and All things agar!) [Re: Puffin]
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H2O2 even at 12% is not the best.  But I am not supposed to say anything negative.

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Re: AGAR ENVY! (Anything and All things agar!) [Re: anders]
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anders said:
H2O2 even at 12% is not the best.  But I am not supposed to say anything negative.



Negative away my friend, I'm all for the constructive criticism and feedback :heart:

I am interested to hear what you have to say


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Re: AGAR ENVY! (Anything and All things agar!) [Re: Puffin]
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Puffin said:
anders said:
H2O2 even at 12% is not the best.  But I am not supposed to say anything negative.



Negative away my friend, I'm all for the constructive criticism and feedback :heart:

I am interested to hear what you have to say



I have received my first and what I presume to be my only warning in backchannel, for impugning a Mod who I did not know was a Mod, after he insulted me.  I do not need this kind of treatment and do not tolerate this temerity at my age and education level.

There is a better option than h2o2 or denatured alcohol.  You can figure out if you look around. (not here)

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Re: AGAR ENVY! (Anything and All things agar!) [Re: anders] * 12
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I've never once insulted you. Me saying your plates look like shit isn't insulting you, it stating that your plates look like shit because they look like shit, learn to carry yourself like an adult  and stop slinging shit around and you'll have a better time


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It doesn't matter what i think of you...all that matters is clean spawn
I'm tired do me a favor

I'M A MEMBER FIRST, TC WHEN NEEDED AND MOD WHEN I HAVE TO BE !!!

Edited by cronicr (08/22/25 04:08 PM)

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Re: AGAR ENVY! (Anything and All things agar!) [Re: Tormato]
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anders said:
I have received my first and what I presume to be my only warning in backchannel, for impugning a Mod who I did not know was a Mod, after he insulted me.  I do not need this kind of treatment and do not tolerate this temerity at my age and education level.

There is a better option than h2o2 or denatured alcohol.  You can figure out if you look around. (not here)



You could say what the thing is without being negative 🤷🏼‍♂️

I reckon it's UV though. I did consider this but since it requires line of sight and short range, it would be quite an involved process of turning the probe, leaving the room, turning the probe, leaving the room, etc, and that involvement and handling feels like it leaves too much room for error. The 12 hour soak in 12% hydrogen peroxide on the other hand, if it works, it works, not really any room for error, and my basic research suggested that it should work.


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Re: AGAR ENVY! (Anything and All things agar!) [Re: Puffin]
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UV is a very positive step yes, but it is not what I mean nor said up to this point.

Why would I contribute new science, when I get the above?

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Re: AGAR ENVY! (Anything and All things agar!) [Re: anders] * 7
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:facepalm:


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It doesn't matter what i think of you...all that matters is clean spawn
I'm tired do me a favor

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Re: AGAR ENVY! (Anything and All things agar!) [Re: RoscoeReturns] * 2
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RoscoeReturns said:
If bacteria is present yet not able to grow am I seeing a clean plate that is not really clean?




Fuck me. Good point. Cooking me some potatoes for dinner tonight.

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Re: AGAR ENVY! (Anything and All things agar!) [Re: wavyedge] * 5
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pretty sure i put UV, ozone, and h202 in the debunked obsolete thread.  these things do more harm than good. 

h202 is useful for cleaning a road rash but other than that ive never used it for cult.
ozone is useful for drying boxing gloves so they dont smell like a dead animal. uvb and uvc arent used in labs becuse they degrade plastics and could even cause irreparable skin damage.  as someone who is struggling with skin cancer, i dont want it near me.

just felt that i should go on record saying this.
do whatever though if you think it helps.  like i said the other day, you can put a paper bag over  your head if you think it helps but i wont endorse it.

Edited by BeefExtreme (08/22/25 07:16 PM)

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Re: AGAR ENVY! (Anything and All things agar!) [Re: wavyedge] * 1
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wavyedge said:
RoscoeReturns said:
If bacteria is present yet not able to grow am I seeing a clean plate that is not really clean?




Fuck me. Good point. Cooking me some potatoes for dinner tonight.



Follow along if you’re interested.

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/29274621

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Re: AGAR ENVY! (Anything and All things agar!) [Re: BeefExtreme] * 1
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Let's leave h2o2 out of this. I've at least proven it's definitely effective. It's certainly better than iso. However, people always want to use it in manners that are impractical. I don't use iso at all. Only h2o2.

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Re: AGAR ENVY! (Anything and All things agar!) [Re: Puffin]
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Puffin said:
I did have another idea about isolating monokaryons which is to filter the spore solution through a 20 μm filter prior to cell counting and dilution with the aim of eliminating the majority of the clumps and increasing the single spore ratio.



Are you using polysorbate?

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Re: AGAR ENVY! (Anything and All things agar!) [Re: PhenoDreamers]
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PhenoDreamers said:
Let's leave h2o2 out of this. I've at least proven it's definitely effective. It's certainly better than iso. However, people always want to use it in manners that are impractical. I don't use iso at all. Only h2o2.



oh ya.  totally forgot about you and that lol.

do you use a surfactant with it at all? my issue with it is that it kinda beads up on surfaces.

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