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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: MojaveMyc]
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MojaveMyc said:
Jrey16 said:
Does anybody put shoeboxes straight into fruiting conditions by putting them into a monotub without the shoebox lid on?


Shoeboxes are already in fruiting conditions with their lids on. Makes life easy


:snoopyes:


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Meanwhile] * 1
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Meanwhile said:...where I live they're criminalizing the possession/distribution of spores and cultures. Sucks. If you guys could get your hands on certain genetics and potentially never get any again what would they be? I already have on hand: GT, PE, TW, KSSS, Gandalf, X7x+, PM, Amazon.



You're set. That's a great sampling, could last a lifetime. Grow some of each, then start crossing them!

I've only grown x7x+ for 3 years and it's only officially existed 1 year. haha

Rub spore swabs together while saying the magic incantation, "KISSSSS! MAKE BABIESSSS!" Then put the mixed swabs with a drop of sterile water to agar and see what happens. (fahtster has threads with much more detail, once you're there, and apparently it also works without the magic words, somehow)

For crossing: recommend ones that look very different or have easily discernible attributes, partly so you can even tell if they cross.

Try first: x7x+ and PE. If they cross, pick the one with best characteristics and do 8 gens of selection.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/29177031

Might get a strong robust quick growing pheno that has spore drop, unlike PE (usually have to rub PE to get spores), but doesn't grow slower like PE can, or drop so many spores it looks like a horror movie about space spores invading Earth, like x7x+

I've posted all mine, here's one by Kloakk:


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Edited by nektar61 (06/14/25 02:23 PM)

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Smellyhobbit]
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Smellyhobbit said:
Jrey16 said:
Does anybody put shoeboxes straight into fruiting conditions by putting them into a monotub without the shoebox lid on?


No, but you could put multiple shoeboxes into a mono with the lids off and it would work as a fruiting chamber


I was planning on putting 3 shoeboxes in each monotub without the lid on putting them straight into fruiting conditions as if I spawned to bulk using a regular monotub.

The reason why I am asking is because I have 9 questionable grain spawn bags and don't want to put all the eggs in one basket. I have substrate but it was made on the wetter side for putting into monotubs. Usually when I do shoeboxes I make the substrate on the drier side.
Tbh I do not feel like squeezing out all of the excess water in the 2 buckets I have, and I really do not have the time to do all that. And I don't have any vermiculite to make the substrate drier.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Jrey16]
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MojaveMyc said:
Jrey16 said:
Does anybody put shoeboxes straight into fruiting conditions by putting them into a monotub without the shoebox lid on?


Shoeboxes are already in fruiting conditions with their lids on. Makes life easy


Oh ok. My substrate was made on the wetter side though and in my experience, when I first started mycology, I would try putting tape over the holes of the monotubs while letting it colonize and within a few days it started smelling sour and colonized very slow. I used the same substrate recipe that I have right now. I didn't know much at the time though so maybe it was the grain spawn or some other factor that led it to start smelling.

Wetter substrate in shoeboxes with the lids on is all good then?
And when I mean wet, i mean when I squeeze the substrate a stream of water comes out. I noticed from what I read online most people consider field capacity as a couple drops of water when you squeeze it.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Nichrome] * 1
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Kloakk said:
MojaveMyc said:
Shoeboxes are already in fruiting conditions with their lids on. Makes life easy


:snoopyes:


I should add this to my sig line.

Some decades-long noob wasted 8 pages telling us we were wrong with this last week, but he's wrong.

Depriving a tub of oxygen before pins increases likelihood of contam.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Smellyhobbit] * 1
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Smellyhobbit said:
Jrey16 said:
Does anybody put shoeboxes straight into fruiting conditions by putting them into a monotub without the shoebox lid on?


No, but you could put multiple shoeboxes into a mono with the lids off and it would work as a fruiting chamber




:awesome:


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Jrey16]
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Jrey16 said:
Oh ok. My substrate was made on the wetter side though and in my experience, when I first started mycology, I would try putting tape over the holes of the monotubs while letting it colonize and within a few days it started smelling sour and colonized very slow. I used the same substrate recipe that I have right now. I didn't know much at the time though so maybe it was the grain spawn or some other factor that led it to start smelling.

Wetter substrate in shoeboxes with the lids on is all good then?
And when I mean wet, i mean when I squeeze the substrate a stream of water comes out. I noticed from what I read online most people consider field capacity as a couple drops of water when you squeeze it.


If the substrate is on the wetter side, then you should do the opposite and give them more air for higher evaporation, but you should always get field capacity in the first place. I don't know the size of you grows, but it's not that hard to sqeeze out the excess water. That said, the coir I get is not consistent and I have used wet sub(coir only) and when I do, I have all my Ez dial holes open.

What is your substrate and what are you growing?


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Some fungi are only edible once.”
― Terry Pratchett


Edited by Kloakk (06/14/25 04:49 PM)

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Phaethon] * 1
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if you're about to type the term "trigger fruiting conditions."
Something is wrong…


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Meanwhile] * 1
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Meanwhile said:
Long story short where I live they're criminalizing the possession/distribution of spores and cultures. Sucks.


Time to get the fsck out of Florida.

Now legal in Colorado, Oregon, in municipalities of California, DC, Massachusetts, Michigan, Washington, and decrim is coming in Georgia, Illinois, Kansas, New York, Pennsylvania, Virginia, and West Virginia.

We are on the right side of History, and Florida and Texas are backward states.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Kloakk]
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Kloakk said:
Jrey16 said:
Oh ok. My substrate was made on the wetter side though and in my experience, when I first started mycology, I would try putting tape over the holes of the monotubs while letting it colonize and within a few days it started smelling sour and colonized very slow. I used the same substrate recipe that I have right now. I didn't know much at the time though so maybe it was the grain spawn or some other factor that led it to start smelling.

Wetter substrate in shoeboxes with the lids on is all good then?
And when I mean wet, i mean when I squeeze the substrate a stream of water comes out. I noticed from what I read online most people consider field capacity as a couple drops of water when you squeeze it.


If the substrate is on the wetter side, the you should do the opposite and give them more air for higher evaporation, but you should always get field capacity in the first place. I don't know the size of you grows, but it's not that hard to sqeezer out the excess water. That said, the coir I get is not consistent and I have used wet sub(coir only) and when I do I have all my Ez dial holes open.

What is your substrate and what are you growing?



Yea that's why I was just thinking of leaving the lid off of the shoeboxes right away and put them straight in monotubs with micropore tape on the holes putting the shoeboxes straight into fruiting conditions. I have never seen that before and was wondering if anybody ever did it.
I mean I can squeeze it out but lately I have A LOT on my plate and idk if I'd be able to do that in the next couple days. I just want to throw them in the shoeboxes and get it over with lol. And like I said the grain spawn bags are already questionable (my first time using bags and I don't think I got the right ones), and I don't want to wait longer because they might end up getting metabolites or worse if they really are bacterial, and in my opinion they are. And they already been sitting there for a while now

Lately I have been mostly using 68L monotubs with 5 jars with a 1:2 grain spawn/sub ratio. CVG is what I use and I am growing cubes, Tidal Wave


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Dr. Smoke]
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I have some APE spawn that is spontaneously bluing in spots.  is that a thing?  it seems consistent among the 3 (lol) APE jars I have, and none of the other jars (various different genetics) I made that day have had any problems. 

so either its a thing, or that syringe was dirty and I need to build a time machine to go back and kick my own ass for being lazy.

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: mushboy] * 1
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mushboy said:
Smellyhobbit said:
Jrey16 said:
Does anybody put shoeboxes straight into fruiting conditions by putting them into a monotub without the shoebox lid on?


No, but you could put multiple shoeboxes into a mono with the lids off and it would work as a fruiting chamber




:awesome:



No lid on the one in the middle inside the monotub? Did you just spawn it and put the shoebox straight into the monotub without letting it colonize with the lid on? Or is that a casing layer


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Jrey16] * 1
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Jrey16 said:
Kloakk said:
Jrey16 said:
Oh ok. My substrate was made on the wetter side though and in my experience, when I first started mycology, I would try putting tape over the holes of the monotubs while letting it colonize and within a few days it started smelling sour and colonized very slow. I used the same substrate recipe that I have right now. I didn't know much at the time though so maybe it was the grain spawn or some other factor that led it to start smelling.

Wetter substrate in shoeboxes with the lids on is all good then?
And when I mean wet, i mean when I squeeze the substrate a stream of water comes out. I noticed from what I read online most people consider field capacity as a couple drops of water when you squeeze it.


If the substrate is on the wetter side, the you should do the opposite and give them more air for higher evaporation, but you should always get field capacity in the first place. I don't know the size of you grows, but it's not that hard to sqeezer out the excess water. That said, the coir I get is not consistent and I have used wet sub(coir only) and when I do I have all my Ez dial holes open.

What is your substrate and what are you growing?



Yea that's why I was just thinking of leaving the lid off of the shoeboxes right away and put them straight in monotubs with micropore tape on the holes putting the shoeboxes straight into fruiting conditions. I have never seen that before and was wondering if anybody ever did it.
I mean I can squeeze it out but lately I have A LOT on my plate and idk if I'd be able to do that in the next couple days. I just want to throw them in the shoeboxes and get it over with lol. And like I said the grain spawn bags are already questionable (my first time using bags and I don't think I got the right ones), and I don't want to wait longer because they might end up getting metabolites or worse if they really are bacterial, and in my opinion they are. And they already been sitting there for a while now

Lately I have been mostly using 68L monotubs with 5 jars with a 1:2 grain spawn/sub ratio. CVG is what I use and I am growing cubes, Tidal Wave


Got it, check this video from TC stipe.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: GenesisCorrupted] * 5
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GenesisCorrupted said:
if you're about to type the term "trigger fruiting conditions."
Something is wrong…


It's really not a concept you need for cubes because they fruit readily at room temperature, and they're not prone to early pinning due to stuff like light.

But, as an example I keep my lions mane in the dark so it doesn't pin in my jars, on my plates, or early in my blocks.

Faht has been playing around with colonizing casing at room temperature to prevent overlay, and then introducing the tray to the warmer temperatures to induce fruiting.  Which seems really promising for pans.  And in agaricus growing they do the opposite, they drop the temperature to induce fruiting.

Anyway, folks grow things other than cubes and while it's not a strategy that you need for cubes, that doesn't mean it doesn't have a place in cultivation.


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And I'd get him to swap our places
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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Kloakk] * 1
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Thanks! I remember watching that video when I first started and but I didn't really understand what he was saying at the time lol. My shoeboxes will be pretty similar to that because they are a smaller size so the sub will most likely go all the way up to the top too


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Jrey16] * 1
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mushboy said:
Smellyhobbit said:
Jrey16 said:
Does anybody put shoeboxes straight into fruiting conditions by putting them into a monotub without the shoebox lid on?


No, but you could put multiple shoeboxes into a mono with the lids off and it would work as a fruiting chamber




:awesome:


Jrey16 said:
Kloakk said:
Jrey16 said:
Oh ok. My substrate was made on the wetter side though and in my experience, when I first started mycology, I would try putting tape over the holes of the monotubs while letting it colonize and within a few days it started smelling sour and colonized very slow. I used the same substrate recipe that I have right now. I didn't know much at the time though so maybe it was the grain spawn or some other factor that led it to start smelling.

Wetter substrate in shoeboxes with the lids on is all good then?
And when I mean wet, i mean when I squeeze the substrate a stream of water comes out. I noticed from what I read online most people consider field capacity as a couple drops of water when you squeeze it.


If the substrate is on the wetter side, the you should do the opposite and give them more air for higher evaporation, but you should always get field capacity in the first place. I don't know the size of you grows, but it's not that hard to sqeezer out the excess water. That said, the coir I get is not consistent and I have used wet sub(coir only) and when I do I have all my Ez dial holes open.

What is your substrate and what are you growing?



Yea that's why I was just thinking of leaving the lid off of the shoeboxes right away and put them straight in monotubs with micropore tape on the holes putting the shoeboxes straight into fruiting conditions. I have never seen that before and was wondering if anybody ever did it.
I mean I can squeeze it out but lately I have A LOT on my plate and idk if I'd be able to do that in the next couple days. I just want to throw them in the shoeboxes and get it over with lol. And like I said the grain spawn bags are already questionable (my first time using bags and I don't think I got the right ones), and I don't want to wait longer because they might end up getting metabolites or worse if they really are bacterial, and in my opinion they are. And they already been sitting there for a while now

Lately I have been mostly using 68L monotubs with 5 jars with a 1:2 grain spawn/sub ratio. CVG is what I use and I am growing cubes, Tidal Wave


Youre overthinking it, when you go to spawn, grab coir by the handful and squeeze out the excess before putting it into the shoeboxes, or just add some dry verm. I like to do the handful thing because then i can semi standardize shoebox amounts.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Nichrome]
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Do fruits get less potent the longer they are in the dehydrator?

These Jack Frost fruits been in the dehydrator for 34 hours now and it is still not totally cracker dry. I usually do 55 degrees celcius for 12-24 hours depending on the type of fruits but these will not get cracker dry. I upped the temp to 70 degrees around 12 hours ago or so. These fruits always take forever to get dry. It still has a spongy texture. It is 6:30am here and I haven't slept and been so busy in life I barely have been sleeping lately. They are still pretty spongy. Im gonna sleep soon and idk how long I'll be passed out for so I won't be able to keep checking on them. And this is my chance to actually get a good sleep.
I am hoping when I wake up these will finally be dry but not much potency loss.

It's weird, some of my Jack Frost grows do just fine in the dehydrator, some of them come out spongy and take forever to dehydrate, they don't even get fully cracker dry tbh. That's why I asked the other day if some fruits never get cracker dry no matter how long they been dehydrating but some said no, and some said yea some fruits are like that, but usually with PE



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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Jrey16] * 2
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A bunny rabbit got in my yard.
What should I do about it?


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: GenesisCorrupted] * 5
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GenesisCorrupted said:
A bunny rabbit got in my yard.
What should I do about it?


Depends, is it wascally? Maybe it should've taken a left at Albuquerque.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: GenesisCorrupted]
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GenesisCorrupted said:
A bunny rabbit got in my yard.
What should I do about it?


I never seen a rabbit in my life but bugs bunny. Give it some carrots.


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