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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: syllable]
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Not sure there is a list? It’s still being figured out, factoring in location, local weather and season paterns, ect. Like where i am at, the temp is easy to manage but figuring the  humidity level at what temp and what part of the season is tricky.  I had to let pinning initiate outdoors and then bring indoors to run it’s flushes. To me thats not fruiting indoors? Opinion only.
Still working on it.

Would like to add, nothing in the environment, fall time in the PNW is consistent.  Could be 68 deg or 35 deg, rain soaking wet or dry for days. 


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: syllable] * 1
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syllable said:
Is there a list I can reference for what consistent environmental conditions are needed for woodlovers to fruit indoors.


The point is you want inconsistent conditions. Colonize at rt like normal and then after some consolidation bring drastic change in the form of much lower temps, and a form of cooled down high fae, combined with a soaking wet substrate.

Then you're in business.


Holofractal did this
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/27845164

Very much worth to read all of his material on this subject. As far as I know nobody else ever put so much effort in and also had some fruits to show for it in the end.


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
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Stipe-n Cap said:
Yeah, you can get a conversion kit, so if you can get a 941 and convert to 1941x for cheaper than a straight up sterilizer, go for it. Keep in mind the conversion kit is more than just the valve, it should also include replacement overpressure plugs. Perhaps something else as well? I don't recall atm; however, the sterilizer is superior to the canner, for our purposes.


I believe it's just the
All American Sterilizer 1010 Over Pressure Plug - replace black plug
American Sterilizer 65 Control Valve - replace weight

technically the sterilizer lids have an extra hole for another pressure relief valve that I don't think the canner lids have. they just have the black rubber plug you replace with the red one meant for sterilizers that are rated for higher pressure

I have an old 25x that has more of a canner styled lid without the two pressure reliefs 

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/22140987
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/6739597#6739597
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26224455/fpart/all


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: catnip40]
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Ah, there you go. Thanks, bruv.

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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
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i have some bacterial niveotropicalis jars i hope make it a few more months until i can spawn outside lol

i mean i dont see why they wouldnt but they kinda got metabolites out the ass


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: syllable] * 1
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syllable said:
Is there a list I can reference for what consistent environmental conditions are needed for woodlovers to fruit indoors.


You are mainly shooting for mid 50s high temps, mid 40s low temps, and humidity between 85-95%.

That’s for cyan clade, and it’s very lose guidelines.  How you achieve those conditions is our new wild west, have at thee.


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Smellyhobbit said:
"Wiping a needle with isopropyl after flame sterilization is like shitting after you wipe your ass."

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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Generic] * 1
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Generic said:
so how much grain spawn is in a bag with sterilized wood chips, it looks like it's mostly grain spawn still.
i'...


1-1 is what i did there.


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: catnip40] * 1
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catnip40 said:
i have some bacterial niveotropicalis jars i hope make it a few more months until i can spawn outside lol

i mean i dont see why they wouldnt but they kinda got metabolites out the ass


Why not colonize bags of sterile chips with them and spawn that outside in spring?


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Generic]
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I have talked to someone and they have stated a very interesting idea:
After you have your hardwood chips / mulch / sawdust spawn, could you use pure Coco coir as a main mass substrate for an outdoor woodlover bed? :shocked:


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: cybesa]
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You could in theory but it’d be super expensive vs chips / etc


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: cybesa]
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I did some woodlover pots last year. I mixed coir with dirt and buried my colonized woodchips about 2-4 inches below the surface.


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: PuffM4gicDr4gon]
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I am really curious how it might turn out!
I think I will test it this year with one of the master beds I plan with a greenhouse over it!


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Psicomb]
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Oh yeah, definitely.. I just wonder if it would be as better as well in terms of results! :takingnotes:


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Tweeq] * 1
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Tweeq said:
catnip40 said:
i have some bacterial niveotropicalis jars i hope make it a few more months until i can spawn outside lol

i mean i dont see why they wouldnt but they kinda got metabolites out the ass


Why not colonize bags of sterile chips with them and spawn that outside in spring?


i mean i could they just look haggard like pretty bad lol


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: cybesa] * 2
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cybesa said:
Oh yeah, definitely.. I just wonder if it would be as better as well in terms of results! :takingnotes:


Coco coir is not going to be beneficial in your patch. The main bulk substrate for woodlovers is wood chips. As a top layer it's a maybe but I would certainly choose potting soil over coir any day. Especially if you're planting cover crops.


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Tweeq] * 7
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Enough pages go by and people forget we do this dance all the time, but there is no better substrate for wood lovers in general than wood chips.  There is no additive, no fert, nothing that is better than straight up wood chips.  All the big wood lover grows you see where it's huge canopies, it's straight wood chips.


:ancientaliens:

woodchips.


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"Wiping a needle with isopropyl after flame sterilization is like shitting after you wipe your ass."

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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Mr Piggy] * 3
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Yeah, that makes sense, I mean woodchips have lignin densely, coir not so much... however, I have done some digging, and found out that the grow I've been admiring and studying for a while now and the most incredible Azure bed I have ever seen has been made with Coco Coir as the main bulk substrate: 50% of it. (The other being hardwood mulch)




And as such, now I am questioning everything.. how was that possible?!
This bed has a greenhouse over it, so my theory is that the coir retained a lot of water, and that kept circulating and only very slowly evaporating compared to w/o a greenhouse and it became humidity which the mushrooms loved. :thinker:

And if the mushrooms fruited purely off the hardwood mulch, the 50% coir still must have had an effect on the overall bed: and a very positive one at that as we can see!



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Edited by cybesa (01/24/25 06:07 PM)

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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: cybesa] * 2
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We do this all the time, you always forget culture selection.

You are very fixated on that one particular grow and I think it prevents you from seeing the bigger picture of woodlover growing.


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Smellyhobbit said:
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Mr Piggy]
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I know, it's slowly becoming a Meme with me, this grow.. :dielaughing:
I've done some digging on the culture too, and it was actually just a Wild lonesome fruit somebody found, they've cloned it, and then the clone got into his possession and he used it to create that bed. So essentially it is just a wild fruit clone, there wasn't any vigorous culture selection for seasons!

But I think you're right, it must be that that one fruit just so happened to have really good genetics. However, the coir and the greenhouse conditions must have let those genetics unfold their full potential, because there's no way others didn't have really good genetics too with how many azure beds there are, yet their results are not as crazy as this one.


So I'm just trying to connect all the possible dots here still.. :takingnotes:


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: cybesa] * 1
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Most likely that was a few yr project at least, and that flush wud signal it's last hurrah as it's out food. You won't easily get azure bed that thick that happy in a yr. My best flushes are two to 3yr after a good feeding and definitely signals they are out of food they will dissolve yards of chips faster than one wud think.


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