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holofractal
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Indoor woodlover information - condensed 10
#27845164 - 07/01/22 03:13 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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This was long overdue, my lazy ass kept saying I'd make this but kept putting it off, but not for a bad reason, mostly for validation of work; I wanted to ensure that the info would be correct.
So let's get down to details immediately
Cakes
For the cake recipe, you'll want to use 50/50 potting soil and alder pellets (which have been soaked and disintegrated). Everything at field capacity at this point. For amounts, probably want to leave yourself some room at the top of a 6qt, so 2qt, 2qt, 0.5qt, soil, alder mush, and grain spawn. Mix completely.
Do not concern yourself with casing just yet. Casing will come after the cake is completely colonized, but there is a trick to it., one that I believe is key to success and I think a work around to working in a dehydrating device such as a refrigerator.
After you see that the cake surface is colonized, case thinly with either soil or coir, play around here, but don't make the mycelium work too hard to breach the top. Casing should be at field capacity. You will want to watch this carefully. When you start seeing that mycelium is breaching the surface all over, remove the lid and expose to open air to desiccate the surface. It's summer time now baby.
Let it chill out and consolidate for at least a week with the lid off.
I am still playing around here, and so should you! Feel free to jump straight to the next step, skipping the lid off consolidation if you are feeling adventurous!
For the next step, after you have either dried the surface and left it exposed for a week, or, have "peppered" appearance of mycelium on the surface, take the cake to the sink and run water into the surface and let it absorb for about 10m. Oh yeah, we're going there. Soak that mofo deep. The fungi have been doing their rain dance and here came the rain.
Strain/drain. Don't leave any pooling water, just until it stops dripping.
We're now, hopefully, ready to move on.
Fruiting
I'll start by saying, really, how you achieve the conditions does not really matter, only that you meet the requirements of the fungi. I am not going to necessarily tell you that one way is superior to the other; this is a new frontier imo and it's hard to be 100% right when we as a community still need to break more ground. So I won't postulate that I have all the correct answers.
The basics are: 1) Cool temps, you want 52F-55F (11C-13C), not really needed to go much lower in my experience. 2) High humidity, like very high. 3) Additional water when needed. 4) Lighting obviouslly, cheap led strips work fine.
For 1, obviously a fridge. For 2, the high humidity can be achieved with a setup I came up with.

Essentially what we have here is a 6qt dub tub, I used these Y splitters as air intake nozzles and connected them all together in such a way that each mostly got even air flow. The jars have air stones in them, air bubbled through water and directs it to a tub.
Here is a diagram

I know it looks like some super wook contraption, but it works. I tried using a fogger but that created a huge block of ice in the fridge, so I went with this. The large stones allow for 5L of air per minute, which is great. Still experimenting if it could be better.
This allows for targeted humidity and fae, so that you are not making the fridge work way harder (condensing moisture from the air instead of cooling).
For 3, it's fine to mist the surface as needed. You will want to keep it damp, but not dripping wet, so a mist here and there is totally fine. As these are totally different than cubes, we're gonna bend the traditional rules quite a bit.
After some time, be on the look out for this!!

At this point, mist them! Keep a very close eye on the pins and keep them glistening with moisture. Do not fear misting them, they in fact love it.
If no fruits after 5-6w in the fridge
I am still ironing out kinks here, but what I'd do is then remove the cake, then case again, expose the surface to dry conditions when mycelium starts peeking through like I mentioned above, but leave it for a week or two to consolidate again, then repeat.
I'll fill in more here as I have new information of course, I want people to succeed!
Seems like, and just a hunch, that these fungi are extremely sensitive to excess CO2, which can lead to small caps and long fruits. Even with the fae setup, it has been a real challenge purging all the CO2 and not pumping so much air into the fridge that it warms.
The reason I did not go with a fogger, at least in this cheap used wine fridge, is that it isn't very powerful and thus all the humidity warmed the fridge and caused a huge block of ice to form, all while the fridge barely cooled at all.
Perhaps a AC'd tent would work well if one was willing to invest into that, or a more powerful fridge like one actually meant for food.
It has taken me about a month to see fruiting with this, specifically with azurescens and cyanescens. I am working to get the time even lower, and have some more work to do to test ideas. So far, all this has gotten me a lot of progress, and also repeatable results. My best time so far, spawn to pin, has been 2 months.
-------------------- Woodlover lover! I am open to questions about wood lovers, I don't know everything, but if you like my posts and have a question, feel free to ask in a PM I do a lot of indoor experiments. I, one day, WILL figure out a surefire method for indoor woodlovers. Nothing is impossible. Indoor Woodlover experimentation Journal Indoor woodlover information - condensed Indoor azurescens
 
Edited by holofractal (07/01/22 03:45 PM)
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Re: Indoor woodlover information - condensed [Re: holofractal]
#27847167 - 07/03/22 12:23 AM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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Gallusgallus229
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Re: Indoor woodlover information - condensed [Re: ghiajake]
#27848605 - 07/04/22 02:49 AM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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Land Trout
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Hells yes
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Re: Indoor woodlover information - condensed [Re: Land Trout]
#27867072 - 07/18/22 04:10 AM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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Aww man been reading your other woodlovers post as well and just wanted to say thanks for providing such easy to read detailed information with good photos to boot. Especially thanks for reigniting my fungal journey moving forward post cube.
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holofractal
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Re: Indoor woodlover information - condensed [Re: worimi1] 1
#27867537 - 07/18/22 11:32 AM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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Thanks for the kind words! Its all a work in progress of course, but the solutions are on the horizon. I am determined to ensure that no one person can ever claim exclusivity over indoor woodlovers. Of course there will always be skill, but I'll do my best to put all the info out there that will give anyone the tools to reproduce my work and enjoy their own results.
-------------------- Woodlover lover! I am open to questions about wood lovers, I don't know everything, but if you like my posts and have a question, feel free to ask in a PM I do a lot of indoor experiments. I, one day, WILL figure out a surefire method for indoor woodlovers. Nothing is impossible. Indoor Woodlover experimentation Journal Indoor woodlover information - condensed Indoor azurescens
 
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Re: Indoor woodlover information - condensed [Re: holofractal]
#27923644 - 08/29/22 07:59 AM (1 year, 4 months ago) |
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The master of woodlover a remarkable job. All our gratitude Thanks
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Re: Indoor woodlover information - condensed [Re: holofractal]
#27995280 - 10/12/22 01:40 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Great info, Iโm currently growing 3 tubs of mycelium that I plan on using your humidifier set up to try and grow in a 90litre camping fridge, What size fridge were you using ?
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Re: Indoor woodlover information - condensed [Re: holofractal]
#28141199 - 01/15/23 12:41 PM (1 year, 12 days ago) |
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Oh man I'm glad someone posted on Yoshi's discord you were here. I was so impressed from what I've seen on discord. Truly great stuff ๐คโฎ๏ธ๐ค. Thanks ๐
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