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holofractal
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BTW, I have extra liberty cap prints, if you are a somewhat active Shroomery participant, and/or have experience with exotics, and/or at least have displayed some interest in exotics, I'll spare a print
One condition, you must post your work here
I have global stamps, and a small handful of prints, so send me a PM if interested. Let's get this thread bumpin'
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Baba Yaga
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Re: The Official Semilanceata Thread [Re: holofractal] 1
#27615359 - 01/11/22 04:23 PM (2 years, 16 days ago) |
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holofractal said: BTW, I have extra liberty cap prints, if you are a somewhat active Shroomery participant, and/or have experience with exotics, and/or at least have displayed some interest in exotics, I'll spare a print
One condition, you must post your work here
I have global stamps, and a small handful of prints, so send me a PM if interested. Let's get this thread bumpin' 

That's the spirit! I got some spare prints as well, but they are ~2 years old now. Will test a couple on agar and see if viability is still OK.
In my give away I had send out 17 prints, I hope some of those folks will turn up.
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Re: The Official Semilanceata Thread [Re: Baba Yaga]
#27615363 - 01/11/22 04:25 PM (2 years, 16 days ago) |
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I'll pick them myself this time hehe - 2022 edit: guy was never wrong
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Baba Yaga
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Re: The Official Semilanceata Thread [Re: Baba Yaga] 1
#27615369 - 01/11/22 04:30 PM (2 years, 16 days ago) |
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smalltalk_canceled said: I think complexity is a trap here, go for simple subs.
Allow me to say why.
Here are some of my *thoughts* on the subject.
My idea of this species is that both grass and manure is unnecessary to accomplish fruiting. If my attempt is verified, a very simple sub will be documented, without either.
Later we may still find that either helps or promote something relevant, so adding either may still be preferable.
But on the way?
Makin our steps too advanced slows down the process as a whole. Perhaps slowing down the most important repetition, and adding attempts that are less meaningful.
Doing so steals from the agar work, diversity of genetics, adds pasteurization and contam vectors because of added complexity
I believe with this species, we are looking for genetics that respond to the what we normally do. And we need to fish industrially, not with a single line
We don't have a indoor method from A to finish, but we are not reliant on that.
We can: - run alot of different germination/cultures, looking for outliers, agar pins, mature agar fruits - run numerous but small subs - we can dig them down outside in time for season - we can colonize then indoors, and then take them to colder temperatures, this seems to have triggered pinning with the unverified semi in my thread
Well said smalltalk, as mentioned in OP I think keeping it simple is key right now and I usually start on the low end of things in terms of complexity and work my way up.
This means I will try 100% coir as well.
Also good point using small but numerous subs, I will go with one outdoor patch this year and have got 10 1.5 liter containers and 8 5 liter that will be used to spawn to various simple substrates with and without grass on top, left in container or buried outside.
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Re: The Official Semilanceata Thread [Re: Baba Yaga] 1
#27615390 - 01/11/22 04:55 PM (2 years, 16 days ago) |
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Makes sense to compensate for what's difficult with it.
Adjust for speed through sub size, adjust for fruiting problems with huge range of genetics.
I'd also like for you to add more and better description of the sclerotia and how this works, most people don't even know that they can make stones, or at the least, myth surrounds semi sclerotia.
I'm very interested in being able to produce sclerotia from this species. I had a jar that produced a small amount of visible stones in the unverified grow
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Baba Yaga
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Don't know about sclerotia either, if those denser spots of growth are sclerotia then they are very small. I tend to think those are knots, when I grew them they developed lots of knots early on and would do nothing more but started to grow once temps went below 10C.
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Re: The Official Semilanceata Thread [Re: Baba Yaga]
#27617406 - 01/13/22 12:56 PM (2 years, 14 days ago) |
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Would the prints I mentioned early in the thread be worth throwing to some agar π€· thinking swab em and cut the swab in the dish, transfer anything viable I get and work from there. I'm a long term hunter who's new to growing but I'm not bad with agar.
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this is a great . Libs rule 
and regarding sclerotia it feels like it must be something to it. ive know spots that produce Ridiculous amounts of fruits every 3-4 years, and i know spots where they produce yearly in abundance. the mayor differances is how dry those areas are in general over the summer, both has enough rain in autumn but summers and soil-types differ
it seems resonable that they would form sclerotia on dryer years and just chill until the moisturelevels is about right for fruiting.
what if one would stress some colonized cakes / agarplates and see what it does. Temperature, RH, Time? And it would be interesting to see how viable it is to make a bucket/transportable mega cake big enough to support it self and see if that could survive for several seasons. And then see if it produces sclerotia by default.
the myth of the original cube-sclerotia is an agarplate of a cloned wild cube that got forgotten amongst others..
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Re: The Official Semilanceata Thread [Re: soppos]
#27618387 - 01/14/22 10:38 AM (2 years, 13 days ago) |
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Adas
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Re: The Official Semilanceata Thread [Re: soppos]
#27618399 - 01/14/22 10:57 AM (2 years, 13 days ago) |
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It's not difficult at all to make the medium acidic, unless you're planting cakes into native alkaline soils. In fact, all you need to do is plant some suitable grasses into a flowerpot with any soil, and over time this soil will naturally become acidic due to how organic material gets decomposed in the soil.
Besides, I don't think acidic soil is an absolute requirement for Libs. After all, they grow on substrates soaked with alkaline tapwater that we cultivate them on, don't they?
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Re: The Official Semilanceata Thread [Re: Adas]
#27618451 - 01/14/22 11:36 AM (2 years, 13 days ago) |
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i was more thinking in the direction of dialing the correct ph (if there is one) not getting hanged up on acidity. (i changed the post from acidity to ph balance)
we can grow cubes out of a steralized bible, it doesnt mean that they prefer it in the wild. Im interested to see if / what the prefered vectors of wild-growth are. But its tricky when we dont have enough data at one place.
Anyone got more research data please provide 
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Baba Yaga
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Re: The Official Semilanceata Thread [Re: soppos] 1
#27618497 - 01/14/22 12:24 PM (2 years, 13 days ago) |
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A couple of spawn jars 12 days after inoculation and 5 days after 1st shake.

Good grow speed on agar and grain, cakes/supplemented substrate is a bit slow though.
Anyone is going to try outdoors for early spring?
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Re: The Official Semilanceata Thread [Re: soppos] 1
#27618498 - 01/14/22 12:25 PM (2 years, 13 days ago) |
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Acidity and pH balance are basically the same thing (if not, please enlighten me).
The experiments for this are actually very simple and straightforward. You can make agars of various pH and test how the Semi culture grows on each. For decreasing the pH you can use something like NaHSO4, among other things. If someone has the time and willingness to perform such experiment, this thread might benefit from that.
Baba, I'll be spawning some outdoors in Spring. I have already spawned some into a grass flowerpot outside, but I plan burying even some colonized bulk substrate, not just spawn. At the cottage they might do pretty well - nice meadows.
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Re: The Official Semilanceata Thread [Re: Adas] 1
#27618519 - 01/14/22 12:38 PM (2 years, 13 days ago) |
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Nice, I hope they will fruit. My logic tells me there is a good chance as they haven't exhausted themself yet and if temperatures and amount of rain is right they should pop. Fingers crossed.
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Re: The Official Semilanceata Thread [Re: Adas]
#27618548 - 01/14/22 01:02 PM (2 years, 13 days ago) |
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Adas said: Acidity and pH balance are basically the same thing (if not, please enlighten me).
yeah we are kind of on the same page.
"pH measures the total [H+] in a solution and it is a quantitative measurement of acidity. Acidity gives a qualitative indication of the degree of acids present in a solution. As pH value increases, acidity decreases, and vice versa. pH also measures the basicity, not only acidity, pHs of less than 7 indicate acidity, whereas a pH of greater than 7 indicates a base."
pH expresses the degree of acidity and alkalinity as a value.
https://www.atago.net/en/databook-acidity_difference.php
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Re: The Official Semilanceata Thread [Re: Baba Yaga]
#27618557 - 01/14/22 01:04 PM (2 years, 13 days ago) |
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First they must survive the summer. At the cottage it's not so dramatic but down here we regularly have 35+ days. It might fry them.
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Baba Yaga
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Re: The Official Semilanceata Thread [Re: Adas]
#27618580 - 01/14/22 01:21 PM (2 years, 13 days ago) |
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I would check on them during spring though, who knows, might get lucky.
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Re: The Official Semilanceata Thread [Re: Baba Yaga] 4
#27629592 - 01/23/22 12:45 PM (2 years, 4 days ago) |
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Bloody hell, just had a look and half of my 20 jars are finishing up early after 17 days 22days......I'm not ready yet

Edit:
Ok I had other plans for today but it's time to get my ducks in a row.
I have made bucket-teked coir and got into the grass clipping pile, The composted grass is looking great and seems to be a possible substrate for pans as well. You can adjust texture by using more or less composted grass, this varies from soil like over horse manure consistency to dry grass. It's really nice and could be the on shop stop for my substrate needs if is does perform well.

Next will be to sieve some bagged compost and I'm thinking a bag of top soil might come in handy.
Lots of mixes to try. It's just a bit early really, was planning on spawning beginning of March.
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Re: The Official Semilanceata Thread [Re: Baba Yaga]
#27631741 - 01/25/22 03:50 AM (2 years, 2 days ago) |
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I have an old Liberty Cap print around, I think itβs time to see if they will still germinateβ¦
Thank you for this thread Baba Yaga! π
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Re: The Official Semilanceata Thread [Re: PsiloPsychIn] 5
#27641072 - 02/01/22 02:54 PM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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I have spawned the first 10 jars to various shoe boxes and monos.
The subs are:
Coir 100% Compost 100% Coir/Compost 50/50 Coir/H-Manure 50/50 Coir/Partially Composted Lawn Clippings 50/50
The other 10 jars are going into planters and an outdoor patch.
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