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Re: Cultivation confessional [Re: LewDoja] * 3
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LewDoja said:
Don't forget to chase with salt


It's all being used to keep demons out of my house.


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Re: Cultivation confessional [Re: ThurmanMurman] * 3
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:thedevil:

Edited by LewDoja (01/18/25 12:02 AM)

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Re: Cultivation confessional [Re: ThurmanMurman] * 2
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ThurmanMurman said:
BeefSupremeJr said:
yo before you toss those jars let me see them please.  i know theres this hard-line school of tossing every jar that shows a single sign of contam but i fully disaagree with that.. its wasteful.  ive got canopies from jars that showed a wet grain or two.


+1 to this.

I dont think I'm ever going to trust my eyes to know clean spawn until I can hold it in my hand and create a baseline. The vast majority of my jars dont look good to me but they also dont look bad. I may as well be blind. But I've had some outstanding results, by my standards. So until I get over this hump, it's full send unless its obviously shit.

Just grow some mushrooms and try not to get caught up in the score keeping or perfectionist mind set. Im struggling with that myself, but if I stop and consider that this shit is not that deep and Im supposed to be having fun, then I can kind of snap out of it. Yes, there's value in doing things right, but obsessing over it sucks the joy out of a hobby. Continue to try to improve, but work with what you've got in the meantime.


I feel you on this, I’m constantly second guessing my plates and jars when they don’t look perfect. And if it’s not obvious garbage I’ll send it just to see what I can get from it.

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Re: Cultivation confessional [Re: BeefExtreme] * 2
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BeefSupremeJr said:
yo before you toss those jars let me see them please.  i know theres this hard-line school of tossing every jar that shows a single sign of contam but i fully disaagree with that.. its wasteful.  ive got canopies from jars that showed a wet grain or two.


100%

Bags like these:
Tri said:


Just sent 4 big ol bacterial bags of albino burma to bulk, business as usual
:kimjong:


Have often lead to tubs like these


Bacteria gives leeway, mold is a no-fly zone, in my humble opinion


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Re: Cultivation confessional [Re: Henry Swanson] * 2
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LewDoja said:
Don't forget to chase with salt


It's all being used to keep demons out of my house.
Henry Swanson said:
ThurmanMurman said:
BeefSupremeJr said:
yo before you toss those jars let me see them please.  i know theres this hard-line school of tossing every jar that shows a single sign of contam but i fully disaagree with that.. its wasteful.  ive got canopies from jars that showed a wet grain or two.


+1 to this.

I dont think I'm ever going to trust my eyes to know clean spawn until I can hold it in my hand and create a baseline. The vast majority of my jars dont look good to me but they also dont look bad. I may as well be blind. But I've had some outstanding results, by my standards. So until I get over this hump, it's full send unless its obviously shit.

Just grow some mushrooms and try not to get caught up in the score keeping or perfectionist mind set. Im struggling with that myself, but if I stop and consider that this shit is not that deep and Im supposed to be having fun, then I can kind of snap out of it. Yes, there's value in doing things right, but obsessing over it sucks the joy out of a hobby. Continue to try to improve, but work with what you've got in the meantime.


I feel you on this, I’m constantly second guessing my plates and jars when they don’t look perfect. And if it’s not obvious garbage I’ll send it just to see what I can get from it.


That's pretty much where I'm at myself, especially with spawn. I just had 2 jars that were definitely solid blocks of bacterial spawn which I just verified so now I'm intimately familiar with that so I hope solved some issues. Like you said, if it's not obviously trash, might as well send it. There's no shortcut to experience, right?


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Re: Cultivation confessional [Re: BeefExtreme] * 1
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BeefSupremeJr said:
we can work on your sterile work.  my thinking is that your plates arent quite clean yet.


Thank you for the pick me up, you're a standup dude.

I agree. I research and read the hell out of this site. I see all the beautiful rhizo plates that everyone else posts and I haven't seen anything like that yet.

When I first started working with a SAB, it was bacteria and mold city. I moved my work area into a dedicated place so I wasn't moving my SAB every time I had to set up and I stopped seeing mold spores on my plates. I'm also working on being mindful of my movements inside the SAB.

I rarely see bacterial blobs on my plates, and when they do show up I can usually trace it to me being careless and waving my arm over the plate or picking it up and putting my finger inside the rim.

I think I'm dealing with embedded bacteria, and possibly some entwined mold.

My plates show decent sectoring in the early stages, but never quite get that rhizo look. I know tomentose works fine, but considering the problems I'm having, I feel the need to chase rhizo for peace of mind.

I took a 12 year hiatus from this hobby because of life stuff. I just got back into it a year and a half ago and it's been a struggle ever since. I've dealt with sour rot, super bacterial icecream spawn, bad LCs, outdated/wrong information, and a ridiculous amount of tubs that went green before the first flush. I'm slowly working my way through all the problems lol

In the last 6 months or so I've put all my focus into following the HHG and getting agar right. It has helped, I do now end up with something out of each tub, but I'm still not to the point where I'm getting multiple flushes or sequential healthy tubs. I'm determined not to give up and be successful at this hobby.

One thing I can say, this has given me a lot of experience about all the ways things can go wrong. I just need to figure out how to consistently make it go right.


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Re: Cultivation confessional [Re: LewDoja]
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LewDoja said:
Quote:
I over cooked my grains at a low simmer until they were as clear as possible


What do you mean by clear?


Nats will get fluffy especially if it's prone to overlay.

Water agar won't likely rhizo but lowering your nutes will and I suggest a little extra agar 2.2-2.5%.

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Beef said:
i know theres this hard-line school of tossing every jar that shows a single sign of contam but i fully disaagree with that.. its wasteful.  ive got canopies from jars that showed a wet grain or two.


πŸ’―

And you're in good hands with beef


I'm referencing Stipe's post on the Starchy white vs clear insides of grains as a sign of proper hydration.

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/29045187#29045187

I'm currently making my plates with 1% lme. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't 2% 500ml/10/10? If I'm understanding you right, I should try a richer mixture?


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Re: Cultivation confessional [Re: PuffM4gicDr4gon] * 1
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LewDoja was suggesting increasing the agar amount above 2%. A little more agar makes a stiffer plate which bacteria has a harder time spreading out on. Your 1% malt extract amount should be fine.


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Re: Cultivation confessional [Re: fahtster]
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fahtster said:
I’d try running the culture through a Cabin sequestering and try a different grain than oats.. lots of ppl have had trouble with oats and bacteria.  Big fan of hard red wheat personally.  Maybe just source a small amount so you don’t invest a lot if it isn’t the oats.


I have not tried Cabin Sequestering yet. I'll give it a shot. Thanks for the suggestion.

I've been using oats because they're easy to find, but I have seen some people having problems with them and others swearing by them so I kind of dismissed them as a potential vector. I do know that I stopped getting sour rot after I switched from Rye to Oats.

I did some searching and there is a supply store that sells Hard Red Wheat, Millet, and Rye about 30 mins away from me on the other side of town. I'll give another grain a try on my next payday. I'm basically out of oats anyways so its not a big deal to try something else.

Do you have a preference between Organic vs non organic? It looks like they carry both in store.


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Re: Cultivation confessional [Re: Phaethon]
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Phaethon said:
LewDoja was suggesting increasing the agar amount above 2%. A little more agar makes a stiffer plate which bacteria has a harder time spreading out on. Your 1% malt extract amount should be fine.


Thanks for the correction! I'm making some plates tomorrow. I'll give it a shot.


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Re: Cultivation confessional [Re: PuffM4gicDr4gon] * 10
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So I was stting on the porch and had 4 or 5 beers tonight but couldn't really relax cause I have some personal bull going on atm my thoughts would just circulate around the same shit over and over. So to break out of this I thought lets try a couple of the micro-dose caps I made a couple of month ago and get out of that dark rabbit hole. I rarely take those caps and make them more for other people but this was an untouched batch.

Well, half an hour after had the caps I fixed me something to eat and was sitting there eating and looking at the grain jars on the table when they started to become their own thing, no breathing but they kept growing a little and shifting a bit and while that happened my life became an ASMR experience as my eating noises where just everywhere and the sound of taking a sip of water would be amplified and had a bit of a reverb to it as well like in a cave and I thought I could hear something like a song or talking but there wasn't anything to hear.

As it was a beautiful day today and the sun was about to go down I decided to go for a walk and started to get myself ready. While gathering stuff I had to stop a few times cause I forgot what I was looking for and then I cracked up laughing. Outside was great, birds were happy and chatty, still having these auditory enhancements going on and a couple of yawns too.

So I have to say that this was a total surprise and I can't believe how strong this stuff was. That was just 320mg of cubensis powder I ground up and sealed away 8 years ago, two #1 caps I took. I mean all the stuff I have put away is still packing a punch but this clone seems so strong for a cube. I will have to make a note in the stash records.

I confess I grew a few cubensis clones a few years back which I have dried, powdered and sealed but some of them I never tried.


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Re: Cultivation confessional [Re: Baba Yaga] * 7
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i found some old capsules from a year ago in a coat the other week.  back when i was making the colored capsules. i figured they were decayed so i took two.  well fuck me, i about paralyzed myself and realized they were the 00 size and probably pe.


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Re: Cultivation confessional [Re: ThurmanMurman] * 2
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Just thinking along there for a bit. I was intrigued by the question: would generating heat in the flow lead to convection? And thus to suction introducing unfiltered air? The amount of convection created by a torch isn't the slightest. But there's a huge fan creating airflow...

I am not a person torching their grows. I also don't feel knowledgeable enough to challenge Stipe. The discussion was really interesting, because informed people were making their case in a polite manner. I think I know what Stipe must be experiencing on a daily basis. Some people always want to discuss history with me. Sometimes they have valuable input, often it's just history channel level conspiracy bullcrap. Same thing with customers. "This Elm has Elm's disease, sir. It needs to be cut down and removed immediately or it will infect all Elms in a mile radius. Look, here's three types of proof". "Nah, that Cherry is just a little dry. Trying to fool me into some expensive adventure huh? I'll go get the garden hose".
When the four feet deep rooting Elm is standing among green grass, that obviously hasn't been dehydrated in a long time. I guess Stipe's forum life is filled to the brim with these kinds of experiences. I have much respect for him for not saying 'fuck it, go do what you like, I don't care, here's a box of tissues for next week'.


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Re: Cultivation confessional [Re: Churpee Choozle]
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i cant really tell what youre talking about.  talking about using a torch at a ffu?


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Re: Cultivation confessional [Re: BeefExtreme] * 1
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Traven spoke of torching (fully colonized, I conjecture) agar plates, to destroy every airborne contaminant that might be on the surface.
To do that in a SAB would be... Well... So I thought about the theoretical possibilities. I just don't have the experience with flowhoods to know how much using a torch in the flow would actually disrupt it.

Edit: typing


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Edited by Churpee Choozle (01/18/25 04:31 AM)

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Re: Cultivation confessional [Re: BeefExtreme] * 3
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BeefSupremeJr said:
yo before you toss those jars let me see them please.  i know theres this hard-line school of tossing every jar that shows a single sign of contam but i fully disaagree with that.. its wasteful.  ive got canopies from jars that showed a wet grain or two.


But that just REWARDED BAD HABITS.

What, are you, like, trying to grow drugs or something?

We're here to try to get PERFECT AXENIC SPAWN.

That's the only thing that matters.


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Re: Cultivation confessional [Re: B Traven]
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I have confess that my first time making WBS jars was a mess, way too wet.  All on here highly recommended to throw out and start over, which deep in heart I just couldn’t, or maybe I was too lazy to start over.  I know what I did wrong but since they were already made and had agar tested LC, I guess I wanted to Fuck Around and Find out!! Well, I am pleased to say that they are coming along nice.  I will never do that again !! I don’t know if it helped but I shook the jars more and sooner than normal to try to redistribute the excess moisture.  They really look good to me after 8 days.  Now, I will not beat Beef’s record of 10 day to full colonization ( I think that is his record)

Here are the before and current pics




Now




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Stipe’s Clean Spawn Checklist
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Eat’s Easy Oats Prep
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Re: Cultivation confessional [Re: PuffM4gicDr4gon] * 3
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PuffM4gicDr4gon said:
My confession: I'm bad at making anexic spawn. I managed to make 1 round of jars well, and I really thought I had turned a new leaf. I made up like 20+ jars over a couple weekends and used 5 plates to inoculate them all, all different varieties, all with evenly sectored tomentose growth, and all 20 jars are showing several skipped grains. Bacteria keeps showing its ugly head and kicking my ass.

I vented my PC for 10-15 mins. I over cooked my grains at a low simmer until they were as clear as I could get them, dried them overnight, and was careful with how I transferred the agar.

I just dont know what I'm doing wrong. I've read Stipe's checklist and thought I reduced vectors.

I'm going back to the drawing board with plins and clones from the few fresh fruit I currently have. I'm doing up a batch of water agar, and maybe I can get some rhizo growth that way.

Super bummed out right now.


You're climbing the actual learning curve.

And heading in the right direction: focusing on culture work.


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Re: Cultivation confessional [Re: B Traven] * 1
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Churpee Choozle said:
Traven spoke of torching (fully colonized, I conjecture) agar plates, to destroy every airborne contaminant that might be on the surface.
To do that in a SAB would be... Well... So I thought about the theoretical possibilities. I just don't have the experience with flowhoods to know how much using a torch in the flow would actually disrupt it.

Edit: typing


A. I was at least half-kidding. Probably more like 2/3rds.

B. Dab torch to top of plate in a fully misted SAB can't be any sketchier than the circumstances my dab torch are usually employed under.


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Re: Cultivation confessional [Re: B Traven] * 2
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Figured so, but that's just my brain. If someone says, halfway through the fourth joint, "Hey man, let's like, build this giant glass dome full of tropical trees and fucking build a pool in there", I'm thinking about the plumbing and how to filter the pool water, and how to avoid the chlorine negatively affecting the foliage, before I can even say "Yeah, dream on".

And no, I don't think using a torch inside the SAB, for a couple of seconds, wouldn't interfere with the function of the SAB. The currents... The air expanding... Then afterward sucking in air from outside...

If I didn't have the kids today, I'd smoke a fat blunt straight away and be done with it, but now this goddamn thing is bouncing around in my head.


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https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/29242884#29242884

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