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Amanita Muscaria cultivation.. easy or hard?
    #6412520 - 12/31/06 03:52 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Can anyone give me an idea where to start? I have a place to pick A.Muscaria so i can obtain spores, and or the mushroom itself to uses as living mycelium.

My main questions are:
What substrate should i use?
-should i use cardboard to make a culture, or inoculate via spores and spray bottle?
-I know cold temps is good for fruits, what about mycelia growth?
-Are they susceptible to contamination, or relatively vigorous?
-Has anyone been successfully with this?


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Re: Amanita Muscaria cultivation.. easy or hard? [Re: pscyanescens]
    #6412569 - 12/31/06 04:31 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

i haven't heard anyone seriously growing amanitas.


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Re: Amanita Muscaria cultivation.. easy or hard? [Re: Bridgeburner]
    #6412576 - 12/31/06 04:33 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Neither have I. I hear they pretty much have to be grown outside.

From http://www.shroomery.org/8670/Amanita-Notes ...

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Amanita muscaria cultivation in a lab environment has always been an impossibility due to the symbiotic mycorrhizal relationship of this mushroom to its host trees. But if one has the necessary host trees in their area, and resides in the proper temperate zone or elevation, try and simply take a few dried or fresh caps that are in sporination (fully flattened or upturning with longitudinal tears along the striations), crush them up thoroughly, and mix the crushings into the top soil. See if it will take. If one doesn't want to make the initial investment of the caps simply chop up the stems from sporinating specimens, which will naturally have collected some of the falling spores, and mix with the soil. Clark Heinrich states that he simply buries the stems under the proper host tree for cultivation, but then again he probably lives the the perfect environment. I would recommend that this be done in the Fall soon after the fruiting season or in early Spring so that the spores can receive their proper life cycle. My own observations (I've yet to actually learn this) of Amanita muscaria growth suggest that mycelia growth takes place primarily throughout the Spring and Summer months and is highly dependent on rain and soil moisture preceding the Fall fruiting. If the season is dry just water your mushroom garden every few days. A host tree in a large container that can be left outdoors year round may be a candidate for cultivation if one is in the right zone."

I really know nothing about amanitas...


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Re: Amanita Muscaria cultivation.. easy or hard? [Re: pscyanescens]
    #6412585 - 12/31/06 04:39 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

you can't cultivate them indoors (effectively) because they are mycorhizal and cannot grow without a symbiotic relationship to a certain kind of tree (which i can't remember, conifers maybe?). you could probably get something working outside if you have the proper environmental conditions and trees though. perhaps burying mycelium in the ground around the tree, but i really don't know the specifics.


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Re: Amanita Muscaria cultivation.. easy or hard? [Re: etam]
    #6412673 - 12/31/06 05:25 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

one of the trees is pine, the other one is birch. at least around here.


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Re: Amanita Muscaria cultivation.. easy or hard? [Re: CantiSama]
    #6412687 - 12/31/06 05:34 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Thank you for the info. I will be attempting outdoor cultivation. What about simply taking the caps, collecting the spores on a glass picture frame, scraping them into a bowl of water, and then into a spray bottle. Can't i spray the right trees in the right outdoor environment? I also intend on taking the living stems and burying them, now i know it is a symbiotic relationship between the mycelium and the tree rootlets? Is this correct? My finds are usually near a madrone tree. But i have come across them almost 50' from any tree on a lawn in a park.


-This spot fruited twice last year. Its fruiting again under a madrone tree


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Re: Amanita Muscaria cultivation.. easy or hard? [Re: pscyanescens]
    #6412709 - 12/31/06 05:50 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

imo if you take amanitas from under a certain type of tree you have to bury it to a tree of similar species. if you want to grow them near your house or smt then first see what trees grow around there and then go look for amanitas in the wild that grow under similar trees. take those & try your luck.


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Re: Amanita Muscaria cultivation.. easy or hard? [Re: Bridgeburner]
    #6412807 - 12/31/06 08:14 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

hi pscyanescens
here is something you could try, i will, if and when i finally find some fruiting.
take some of those hydroponic type pots,or make them out of ordinary flower pots with holes melted all around the sides.fill the pot with soil from directly below and around a mushroom you have just collected,bury the pot to within an inch of the top if poss (right where the mush was)
and sow seed into the pot of whatever host tree it was growing with.
my thinking is that if there is some microbial benefactors needed for the mush and
host to 'hook up' they may still be present in the soil to help the myc penetrate the seeds as
they germinate.give them a couple of months and transplant to a new site...and wait.
i remember reading,i think, of truffles being cultivated using a similar technique.


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Re: Amanita Muscaria cultivation.. easy or hard? [Re: Bridgeburner]
    #6412810 - 12/31/06 08:21 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

hi pscyanescens
here is something you could try, i will, if and when i finally find some fruiting.
take some of those hydroponic type pots,or make them out of ordinary flower pots with holes melted all around the sides.fill the pot with soil from directly below and around a mushroom you have just collected,bury the pot to within an inch of the top if poss (right where the mush was)
and sow seed into the pot of whatever host tree it was growing with.
my thinking is that if there is some microbial benefactors needed for the mush and
host to 'hook up' they may still be present in the soil to help the myc penetrate the seeds as
they germinate.give them a couple of months and transplant to a new site...and wait.
i remember reading,i think, of truffles being cultivated using a similar technique.
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Re: Amanita Muscaria cultivation.. easy or hard? [Re: deucedbi9]
    #6412843 - 12/31/06 09:20 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

in general i don't see a point in growing them indoors... amanita isn't like cubensis: you don't eat/grow it in bulk. amanitas depends on the preparation. just go into the woods where they grow in the fall and pick bucketfulls, go home and slice them to potato chips/drain their oil/take the skin from their caps & discard the left overs. stock up for the winter.


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Re: Amanita Muscaria cultivation.. easy or hard? [Re: Bridgeburner]
    #6412899 - 12/31/06 10:45 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Don't waste your time,just be happy you know of a place to pick them


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Re: Amanita Muscaria cultivation.. easy or hard? [Re: Blutjager]
    #6414362 - 12/31/06 08:49 PM (15 years, 30 days ago)

I don't intend on spending too much time and effort. If there is a way i could at least increase the number of mushrooms growing in my spots then it would be better for picture purposes, and study. I already picked my mature Amanita today. I am keeping the cap for spore prints, and i buried the stem close to the tree it was growing under. I found another button, about 6" tall and will use this for cultivation near my home. I found them growing under madrone trees and there are plenty on my property. I will experiment with pots and seedlings as well as simply planting stems under madrone trees.


Here are my findings today, and what i intend to use for my cultivation experiments.






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Re: Amanita Muscaria cultivation.. easy or hard? [Re: pscyanescens]
    #6414365 - 12/31/06 08:53 PM (15 years, 30 days ago)

Blutjager: learning is never a waste of time.


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Re: Amanita Muscaria cultivation.. easy or hard? [Re: pscyanescens]
    #6414625 - 12/31/06 11:56 PM (15 years, 30 days ago)

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pscyanescens said: learning is never a waste of time.




but trying to grow amanita muscaria is....


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Re: Amanita Muscaria cultivation.. easy or hard? [Re: CosmicFunGuy]
    #6414702 - 01/01/07 12:57 AM (15 years, 30 days ago)

What you call a waste of time is your own opinion. I may come across so information involving the cultivation of A.Muscaria that other may be interested in. To say nobody is interested is just ignorant. My experiments will be conducted no matter what other opinions are involved.

So can anyone help me rather then discourage me??


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Re: Amanita Muscaria cultivation.. easy or hard? [Re: pscyanescens]
    #6414710 - 01/01/07 01:03 AM (15 years, 30 days ago)

The reason they say its a waste of time is because its mad hard and it takes years, do some research. There not like cubes.


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Re: Amanita Muscaria cultivation.. easy or hard? [Re: pscyanescens]
    #6414718 - 01/01/07 01:10 AM (15 years, 30 days ago)

You're not trying to eat these are you?


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Re: Amanita Muscaria cultivation.. easy or hard? [Re: cubenessence]
    #6414729 - 01/01/07 01:22 AM (15 years, 30 days ago)

-Well i have never grown cubbies just so everyone knows that.

-I dont intend on eating them. I just want good pics and something to do experiments on. Hopefully test for percentages of toxins, if i do allot more research. But mostly pictures.

-So it is hard? This means it is not impossible.



I want my own pictures like this


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Re: Amanita Muscaria cultivation.. easy or hard? [Re: pscyanescens]
    #6414829 - 01/01/07 02:18 AM (15 years, 30 days ago)

Why would it take years? Does it take that long for the mycelium to develop into a large enough mass to produce a fruit?
I can see the progression of the mycelia growth in my present picking areas. It seems to be no more then 20" from the original first find.


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Re: Amanita Muscaria cultivation.. easy or hard? [Re: pscyanescens]
    #6414840 - 01/01/07 02:29 AM (15 years, 30 days ago)

The pursuit of knowledge is never waste of time. I don't care what you are researching. People claim that Chanterelles are impossible to grow. Does that mean the whole world should ignore them and the factors involved in their possible cultivation? Just because they are edible and A.Muscaria is worthless to most people, does that mean we should ignore them, and everyone is wasting their time trying to learn about the conditions, parameters, and enviorment in which they grow?

- Its all matter of opinion. People say i should cut off my dogs balls because he is a pitbull because the world doesn't need anymore. Other people say they are the one of the best, most loyal companions you can have, and they would love to have one of my dogs pups. "Make sure you breed him" is what i hear. Who is to say they are worthless.


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Re: Amanita Muscaria cultivation.. easy or hard? [Re: pscyanescens]
    #6414866 - 01/01/07 02:46 AM (15 years, 30 days ago)

I would love to see you pull this off. I think the cube growers are just trying to understand why you are willing to put so much effort into a seemingly unrewarding project. You are doing this just for the sake of knowing it's possible? Pictures? Thesis? Boredom?
I'm all for the pursuit of knowledge, it just seems it little fruitless (no pun intended) given the amount of effort you seem to be dedicating. But again, you got my 100% support, good luck.


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Re: Amanita Muscaria cultivation.. easy or hard? [Re: cubenessence]
    #6415015 - 01/01/07 08:16 AM (15 years, 30 days ago)

lol just eat the amanitas off the ground.


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Re: Amanita Muscaria cultivation.. easy or hard? [Re: pscyanescens]
    #6415095 - 01/01/07 10:04 AM (15 years, 30 days ago)

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Blutjager: learning is never a waste of time.




I agree,I too like to learn things and when its something I'm interested in I learn even difficult things rather easy,I was just saying it is fairly well known that growing aminatas is notoriously difficult and may be more trouble than its worth


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Re: Amanita Muscaria cultivation.. easy or hard? [Re: Blutjager]
    #6415695 - 01/01/07 04:25 PM (15 years, 30 days ago)

Well how hard it is to grow was the main part of my original question. So that being said, thank you everyone for letting me know the kind of challenges are ahead of me.

As far as effort i guarantee i wont be spending that much time. I don't plan on spending any money. I just plan to keep hunting. Observing my surroundings, documenting the natural substrate, trees within 50' radius. I already document all weather conditions, just so i know when to look for everything. If i have a good picking day, i can look back at the previous day, week, or month, and develop patterns that reoccur every year. I may just focus slightly more on the A.Muscaria just because it is one of my favorite finds.


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Re: Amanita Muscaria cultivation.. easy or hard? [Re: pscyanescens]
    #6415947 - 01/01/07 06:41 PM (15 years, 30 days ago)

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As far as effort i guarantee i wont be spending that much time. I don't plan on spending any money.




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Re: Amanita Muscaria cultivation.. easy or hard? [Re: odium33]
    #6416062 - 01/01/07 07:30 PM (15 years, 29 days ago)

okay the ONLY way I've ever heard of ANY success with amanita cultivation was were someone found wild specimens and dug up it and a large portion of ground and chopped the chunk of earth and mushrooms from the patch up, planted a 7 foot pine from the local nursery and used the ground from the wild amanitas to fill in over the roots.... it took 3 years before anything appeared and wasn't much, this method is nothing but a crapshoot, where most the time the experiment fails.. many many many people have tried i'm not trying to discourage you learning is wonderful, in fact when i joined this site one of my first threads was me arguing with the experts on this very subject because i too thought i could learn it... i'm just suggesting you learn something practical, without advanced mycological knowledge its just not even feasable... i'm sorry you take our offerings of advice with such a shabby attitude... we mean only to help you understand that this isn't practical....while this is perhaps one of the best mycological resources on the net, nobody here is going to have much in the line of help for this project, simply because people have tried over and over to succeed only to blow a bunch of money with no success... many have even tried repeating the experiments that have had some minimal success like the one i mentioned.. most have failed and nobody has come up with a surefire method... go ahead try, i encourage it, but i warn you, at least some failures surely lie ahead... especially if you haven't grown mushrooms of any type before... i'm your friend and i'm here to help as is everyone please don't feel the need to be defensive, for we in no way mean to offend or criticize you...


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Re: Amanita Muscaria cultivation.. easy or hard? [Re: CosmicFunGuy]
    #6416079 - 01/01/07 07:38 PM (15 years, 29 days ago)

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i'm your friend and i'm here to help as is everyone please don't feel the need to be defensive, for we in no way mean to offend or criticize you...




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    #6416609 - 01/01/07 10:57 PM (15 years, 29 days ago)

I don't expect to succeed at everything i do. But if i don't try i will never learn anything. Thank you for the success story, I will attribute pine trees as well to my experiments. I would however like more information like this..... rather then discouragement. Maybe the reason there are so little success stories with A.Muscaria is because people gave up too soon on cultivation attempts, maybe due to discouragement.

Odium33: Is money required to do research? What materials are needed for cultivation of A.Muscaria i cant find at home? What is the harm of getting a spray bottle full of spores and spraying all over my mountain?? Then observing through the years on any spots that take. If i cant understand the cultivation process entirely right away, why not at least give the spores a nice push out the door and see what nature does it self? Then at least i get a better starting point.

Can anyone prove that i would be wasting my time with a spray bottle? The redistribution of spores has nothing to do with cultivation?


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Re: Amanita Muscaria cultivation.. easy or hard? [Re: pscyanescens]
    #6416812 - 01/01/07 11:57 PM (15 years, 29 days ago)

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-Well i have never grown cubbies just so everyone knows that.

-I dont intend on eating them. I just want good pics and something to do experiments on. Hopefully test for percentages of toxins, if i do allot more research. But mostly pictures.

-So it is hard? This means it is not impossible.



I want my own pictures like this




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Re: Amanita Muscaria cultivation.. easy or hard? [Re: tahoe]
    #6416841 - 01/02/07 12:10 AM (15 years, 29 days ago)

I googled Amanita muscaria cultivation and got this in less than 10 seconds. From iamshaman.com-

"Amanita cultivation in a lab environment has always been an impossibility due to the symbiotic mycorrhizal relationship of this mushroom to its host trees. But if one has the necessary host trees in their area, and resides in the proper temperate zone or elevation, try and simply take a few dried or fresh caps that are in sporination (fully flattened or upturning with longitudinal tears along the striations), crush them up thoroughly, and mix the crushings into the top soil. See if it will take. If one doesn't want to make the initial investment of the caps simply chop up the stems from sporinating specimens, which will naturally have collected some of the falling spores, and mix with the soil. Clark Heinrich states that he simply buries the stems under the proper host tree for cultivation, but then again he probably lives the the perfect environment. I would recommend that this be done in the Fall soon after the fruiting season or in early Spring so that the spores can receive their proper life cycle. My own observations (I've yet to actually learn this) of Amanita growth suggest that mycelia growth takes place primarily throughout the Spring and Summer months and is highly dependent on rain and soil moisture preceding the Fall fruiting. If the season is dry just water your mushroom garden every few days. A host tree in a large container that can be left outdoors year round may be a candidate for cultivation if one is in the right zone."

For someone who isn't going to put much time into this, or money, with no mcology background, the prognosis is almost certain failure. However, if you have to fail yourself to appreciate the difficulty, have at it. Good luck.


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Re: Amanita Muscaria cultivation.. easy or hard? [Re: cubenessence]
    #6423685 - 01/04/07 03:25 AM (15 years, 27 days ago)

Thank you very much. That is the most help i have gotten yet. I will spend as much time as i find necessary, but won't break my back over it. If a little money is needed thats fine, if i think it is worth it.

Furthermore i have some mycology experience. I have been studying mycology for about the last 4-5 years, seasonal of course. I have been almost successful with my attempts to grow wood loving cold weather actives outdoors. I have got cakes and pins, but they wouldn't continue to fruit.

As far as elevation I live at about 13,000 feet above sea level. I normally find my A.Muscaria at lower elevations, don't think i have seen one higher then 10,000 feet. Anyone else?


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Re: Amanita Muscaria cultivation.. easy or hard? [Re: pscyanescens]
    #6428911 - 01/05/07 08:38 PM (15 years, 25 days ago)

I just planted my previous finds. I planted in a a locations remotely close to the original find. I found in a moderately maintained meadow. There was almost a full circle of young madrone trees. Not too young, but no taller then 20' In the area there was sings of gopher activity. Dead oaks about 30-40' away. Just a little pine and fir, but pretty far away. They usually growing along side Laccaria Amethystina in this particular area.

I have collected a lot of spores from my previous finds as well. I plan on putting them in a spray bottle and spraying suspected environments and substrates. Is there a better idea to spread the spores evenly?


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Re: Amanita Muscaria cultivation.. easy or hard? [Re: pscyanescens]
    #6428954 - 01/05/07 08:56 PM (15 years, 25 days ago)

It's impossible! Not even Paul Stamets could pull it off!


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Re: Amanita Muscaria cultivation.. easy or hard? [Re: VampireSlayer]
    #6429725 - 01/06/07 01:10 AM (15 years, 25 days ago)

If it is impossible then how come they grow????? How come Chantrelles grow????? Just becuase no one has done it doesnt mean it cant be done. What can be created it can be recreated, given the proper information.


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Re: Amanita Muscaria cultivation.. easy or hard? [Re: pscyanescens]
    #6429783 - 01/06/07 01:37 AM (15 years, 25 days ago)

Its not impossible obviously but for indoor yes. You should buy a few books so you know why your asking is just not possible. If you had a boat load of money and a team of scientist you still would fail. So don't worry, your not the first and the the last.

Chanterelle grow if you like is more a freak of nature. We know why and how, but can not duplicate it on demand.

Your right is has not been don't and it might. But as far as Chanterelle people have spent millions in this. As there is huge profits to be made.

One example is Frank Herbert (yes the writer of Dune and a fan of shrooms as the book is lots of mushroom themes) anyway he started a project 30yrs ago and it is now, thought not much at all is producing Chanterelle . Years and years and lost of money and time have yield results. ~ Read mycelium running and you will ask no more :wink:


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Re: Amanita Muscaria cultivation.. easy or hard? [Re: Snaggletooth]
    #6429872 - 01/06/07 02:46 AM (15 years, 25 days ago)

I am tired of people saying its impossible and not reposting. Also people who don't read the whole thread before they post.

- I am not trying to grow indoors. I have posted several times.

- I know i need the help of mother nature..

- Before the 1900's people thought traveling to the moon was impossible. The impossible is being made possible every day.

-If mother nature can grow these mushrooms there is a way we can at least help in the dispersal of it's spores.

Impossible is something that can't be done. Nature does this all the time so it can be done. It the lack of information that makes us believe it is impossible. Does this mean the information is forever to be unrevealed? How can that be proven?

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Its not impossible obviously but for indoor yes. You should buy a few books so you know why your asking is just not possible.




You contradict yourself by saying its not impossible and then saying it's just not possible in the same post? Why does everyone say buy some books without referring to some preferred reading material. What should i read?


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Re: Amanita Muscaria cultivation.. easy or hard? [Re: pscyanescens]
    #6429891 - 01/06/07 03:04 AM (15 years, 25 days ago)

http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=Amanita+Muscaria+cultivation&ei=UTF-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&fr=moz2

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edit: actually judging by your posts you've already read the first hit on that search. I'ma pothead; what was the question again?


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Re: Amanita Muscaria cultivation.. easy or hard? [Re: Snaggletooth]
    #6431505 - 01/06/07 05:11 PM (15 years, 25 days ago)

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You contradict yourself by saying its not impossible and then saying it's just not possible in the same post? Why does everyone say buy some books without referring to some preferred reading material. What should i read?




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One example is Frank Herbert (yes the writer of Dune and a fan of shrooms as the book is lots of mushroom themes) anyway he started a project 30yrs ago and it is now, thought not much at all is producing Chanterelle . Years and years and lost of money and time have yield results. ~ Read mycelium running and you will ask no more :wink:





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Re: Amanita Muscaria cultivation.. easy or hard? [Re: Snaggletooth]
    #6432202 - 01/06/07 08:53 PM (15 years, 24 days ago)

I heard from my friend one person was succesfull to some extent. He said they got a Chanterelle to grow out of the bottom of a plastic planting container, from one of the drainage holes in the bottom. He planted had it next to a pineor fir tree i believe.


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Re: Amanita Muscaria cultivation.. easy or hard? [Re: pscyanescens]
    #6432231 - 01/06/07 09:02 PM (15 years, 24 days ago)

:lol: Start praying to the trees my friend


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Re: Amanita Muscaria cultivation.. easy or hard? [Re: Psilocybeingzz]
    #6435336 - 01/07/07 06:47 PM (15 years, 24 days ago)

Psilocybeingzz:
Sorry to change the subject. But my friends dad helped kill the electric car. He wrote a report that is available online about how big businesses were providing electrical ports/outlets for people to plug their cars into at work. He simply stated that by doing this they were providing free energy/fuel for those owning electric cars.

In order to not play favorites or be discriminatory in any way he proclaimed that the big business's offering this service would have to pay for the other employees gasoline!!! No playing favorites. If you owned an electric car this doesn't this mean you deserve special privileges? This put an end to that idea pretty quick.

PS. I will start praying to me trees soon.


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Re: Amanita Muscaria cultivation.. easy or hard? [Re: pscyanescens]
    #6440096 - 01/09/07 12:40 AM (15 years, 22 days ago)

u should give it a try!

my parents have about 20 mature birch trees growing in their garden, there house name is "silver trees" :lol:

a couple of months back (when it was amanita season here) i collected loads and spore prined the caps, also kept the stems too, made up some syringes with the spores and sprayed them about a bit and broke up the stems and threw them around the trees...
im not expecting any results from this, just something i did out of curiosity!

as far as i can see... if u spread spores in a suitable environment at the time of year that the mushroom naturally spreads its spores then why shouldnt it work...

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Re: Amanita Muscaria cultivation.. easy or hard? [Re: Dr. uarewotueat]
    #6440774 - 01/09/07 08:39 AM (15 years, 22 days ago)

It may be more complicated then that. However we can't loose anything by trying thees techniques. Spreading the spores is how all mushrooms proliferate. So i don't see how spreading the spores ourselves in suitable environments could do nothing but benefit the re-occurrence/regrowth of A.Muscaria.

We may not obtain a full understanding of how it grows, but if we can somehow increase the number of fruits that pop up every year, then it gives us a better chance to study them.

urwotueat: you seem to be the only other person i know trying this with somewhat of a positive attitude. Thanks for your post and support. You give me hope.


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Re: Amanita Muscaria cultivation.. easy or hard? [Re: pscyanescens]
    #6440782 - 01/09/07 08:50 AM (15 years, 22 days ago)

Do a large spore slurry in the right area. I dont know if it would work for the kind of mushroom you want, but it can work for many strains.

Or clone it, then fucking mix it with the right wood. You would be a pioneer if you did it :thumbup: Even with a spore slurry.

MYCELIUM RUNNING is an excellent book, lots of low tech stuff like spore slurries, I can't recommend it highly enough! :laugh:


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Re: Amanita Muscaria cultivation.. easy or hard? [Re: Psilocybeingzz]
    #6539462 - 02/07/07 09:41 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

things have changed-
one might not be able to get amanita fruit-bodies
but one can grow out the mycelium
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    #6539865 - 02/07/07 12:37 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

From hippie3's link.

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Now, this has raised a great debate and question about Jesus and Christ. It is obvious to me, that this is how Jesus made The Living Bread, capable of making thousands of loaves of bread. It also makes sense how one could turn water into wine.





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If we are all sparks of The Divine, how can one be seperated as "The Annointed One"? Why did Jesus speak of The Christ in third person? In my opinion, if we are all emanations of God, the only true "prophets" (God on Earth) are sacraments.





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Starting to feel like Jesus must have, when he did this....




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That is the only way to remove the carbon atom from the molecule and create your psychoactive agent. Hope this helps. I've never tried this, so give it your best shot and tell us.





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Experiencing the God within this mushroom, allows one to experience God with in himself. Viewing the world through a child's eyes, one can remember his place amongst the cosmos. To see yourself from outside, postulates relativity.





C'mon man, this is a mushroom site. you actually want us to take this seriously?
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Re: Amanita Muscaria cultivation.. easy or hard? [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #6817247 - 04/22/07 12:32 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

RR: I got no idea what you are trying to say. Are you implying i am trying to play god by attempting to grow this mushroom?


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Re: Amanita Muscaria cultivation.. easy or hard? [Re: pscyanescens]
    #6817897 - 04/22/07 04:39 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

haha dude you are an idiot


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Re: Amanita Muscaria cultivation.. easy or hard? [Re: africanjuju]
    #6817918 - 04/22/07 04:53 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

ha ha you are a stupid idiot. Cant answer a simple yes or no question? Well actually you know what? I wasn't even talking to you so shut your hole newbee idiot.


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Re: Amanita Muscaria cultivation.. easy or hard? [Re: pscyanescens]
    #6817951 - 04/22/07 05:17 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

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    #6817977 - 04/22/07 05:34 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: Amanita Muscaria cultivation.. easy or hard? [Re: farva86]
    #6817979 - 04/22/07 05:35 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

Well I know we would all love to see the results. Come back when you got them. Other than that, it really doesn't seem like you're trying to learn anything.

You expect someone to come in this thread and tell you how to grow it, and then refuse to believe what they say.

You say you don't want to invest much energy into it.

And now, you are just being an ass.

I am a newbie, and I will admit that. However, you are still one, and just because you reg'd in 12/06 doesn't make you a pro.

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Re: Amanita Muscaria cultivation.. easy or hard? [Re: BlehMaestro]
    #6817985 - 04/22/07 05:43 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

You know that sending an message through a wire used to be considered incomprehensible. Yet here i am communicating with you and everyone else who cares to read this thread.


Since when did i say i care about being a shroomery pro? (if there is such a thing) BTW my question was still not answered by a newbee or a 'pro', not that it matters anyways, an answer is an answer.


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Re: Amanita Muscaria cultivation.. easy or hard? [Re: pscyanescens]
    #6817998 - 04/22/07 05:58 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

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You expect someone to come in this thread and tell you how to grow it, and then refuse to believe what they say.




Most say to not even bother it is impossible. I am sorry if i refuse to believe that since mother nature grows them every year. I took the advice of some which was make a slurry and also to plant pieces of the cap and stem in the proper locations. In my eyes that doesn't take much effort or money, so please don't tell me i refuse to believe what they say. I believe the people that told me possible ways to cultivate and not the people who told me it was impossible. Please stop putting words in my mouth.


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Re: Amanita Muscaria cultivation.. easy or hard? [Re: pscyanescens]
    #6818004 - 04/22/07 06:07 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

How the hell was I putting words in your mouth? I didn't say this is what you said, I gave my opinion.

You got all the info you could expect out of this crowd, and now you're just trolling. You just yelled at someone for being a newbie, how's that not acting like you're a vet or pro or whatever.

You want an answer? It's hard.

As I said before, we will be interested in the results...


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Re: Amanita Muscaria cultivation.. easy or hard? [Re: pscyanescens]
    #6818005 - 04/22/07 06:09 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

edit: sorry double post


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Re: Amanita Muscaria cultivation.. easy or hard? [Re: BlehMaestro]
    #6818031 - 04/22/07 06:30 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

It MAY be hard but i may just plant them in the right spot for reasons i don't know and then succeed, then it may be easier to find out what i did right rather then failing and trying to find out what i did wrong. I will more then likely fail, i know that, but what if I succeed??? That is all i really have to say. Also I encourage everyone else to do there best at making a minimal effort and if they succeed then to examine closely the ways in which they obtained their results. This may help all of us at finding a way to cultivate what people tell me is impossible.

And i apologize for being a little defensive. It seems that all i have got this whole thread is mostly skeptics who project upon me nothing but negativity when i mention the attempts that i am going to make cultivating this mushroom that is supposedly impossible to cultivate. I just asked one question to RogerRabbit and my first reply is 'you are an idiot.' I was actually hoping for a answer to my question or possibly something that relates to this thread.


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Re: Amanita Muscaria cultivation.. easy or hard? [Re: pscyanescens]
    #6818039 - 04/22/07 06:37 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

Well, to make you feel better I dunno wtf RR meant, but that was a trip to read...

What I did get out of it is that this has long been a hot debate and has been put to rest, so to speak.


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    #6818106 - 04/22/07 07:30 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

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It MAY be hard but i may just plant them in the right spot for reasons i don't know and then succeed, then it may be easier to find out what i did right rather then failing and trying to find out what i did wrong. I will more then likely fail, i know that, but what if I succeed??? That is all i really have to say. Also I encourage everyone else to do there best at making a minimal effort and if they succeed then to examine closely the ways in which they obtained their results. This may help all of us at finding a way to cultivate what people tell me is impossible.

And i apologize for being a little defensive. It seems that all i have got this whole thread is mostly skeptics who project upon me nothing but negativity when i mention the attempts that i am going to make cultivating this mushroom that is supposedly impossible to cultivate. I just asked one question to RogerRabbit and my first reply is 'you are an idiot.' I was actually hoping for a answer to my question or possibly something that relates to this thread.




please just try growing them instead arguing about it here and after you have given it a shot post results so everyone can relax and you can stop your petty squabbles.


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Re: Amanita Muscaria cultivation.. easy or hard? [Re: Bridgeburner]
    #6819271 - 04/22/07 04:04 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

Offlineb0red5tiff: I think you are the one who needs to relax. Take a few breaths and calm down. Heated debate or petty squabbles..... I don't believe you were a part of this, but thanks for your input anyways.


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Re: Amanita Muscaria cultivation.. easy or hard? [Re: pscyanescens]
    #22520706 - 11/14/15 01:34 AM (6 years, 2 months ago)

I dont know how but i have somehow gotten results near Oak trees with Amanita Muscaria spores/mycelium. :sporedrop:  :sporedrop:  :sporedrop:

i also feel there is some way to move this indoors, if we can find the conditions needed to be met.

what is the symbiotic relationship between all these trees and dirt that A. Muscaria thrives on?

how can we move this indoors after finding this relationship?

even if i couldnt find a way to move said cultivation indoors i will always try, and even further perfect the outdoor method.

I love these Shrooms!!

and to the post that said "Why would you eat Amanita Muscaria" ive had nothing but bad experiences on it"  ?

Kind sir i can tell you from 4 years of experience eating them daily that they are very fun and a godsend.

Small doses of Muscimal is great for felling good all day, and an all around general mood booster.

large doses can give you a very visual experience.

if you had a bad experience with A Muscaria its only because you prepared them incorrectly.

Amanita muscaria contains several biologically active agents, at least one of which, muscimol, is known to be psychoactive.
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Ibotenic acid, a neurotoxin, serves as a prodrug to muscimol, with approximately 10–20% converting to muscimol after ingestion. An active dose in adults is approximately 6 mg muscimol or 30 to 60 mg ibotenic acid

this is typically about the amount found in one cap of Amanita muscaria.

fatal dose of Ibotenic Acid is reported at 15 caps.

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in short Ibotenic Acid is the source of your bad experience. when prepared correctly you should have Zero Ibotenic present in the dried Specimen "or at least not enough to cause ill feelings"

Bake the shrooms at 180Degrees F
for 30min-1hour
id say 1 hour to be safe.

Ibotenic acid breaks down at this temperature. while Muscimol  needs higher temps to break it down fully. from experience a low boil will not hurt the Muscimol but will break some of it away. but 180F is far from 212F

i suggest making a tea. or just using a grinder after drying them after 180F bake to remove IA Nero Toxicity.

I personally have found A Muscaria to be a very potent Fungi, but on another note i have found Amanita Pantherina  to be on par with Cubes.. the doses are definitey differed and the effects are worlds apart. but to me they offer the same teaching experience and both are Blissful experiences.


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