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Re: Cultivation confessional [Re: LadysKnight] * 1
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I'm fact-based myself. I don't have time for fiction in general, I have a great imagination and am fully capable.

He presents the evidence that modern archaeology won't touch because it doesn't fit the current narrative. Lots of odd, beautiful evidence.



Sittin on my nuts at work and fired it up. It took me about 10min to realize I don't know anything about any of this, and my brain would likely accept whatever (with a grain of salt) so long as it sounds logical. Dude could be a trail blazer or totally full of shit and I'm not even remotely qualified to know the difference. 🤣

Im just gonna watch Billy Bob Thorton get drunk and play Santa instead.


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Re: Cultivation confessional [Re: KauaiOrca] * 6
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I will chime in on this since I grew up in Peru, have been to Cuzco over 10 times and studied the most "realistic" history about all that: A lot of the things tour guides say are straight up false or exaggerated, just to make it sound cooler to tourists. Almost all Inca sites were built between the 1400 and the spanish conquest on 1530 ish. Don't take me wrong, what they built is just stunning, they knew their craft, math, astronomy and a lot of other sciences. And as for how they did it? Basically state sanctioned forced labor called mita. That's how the people paid "taxes" back there. With that and a lot of coca leaves (which peruvians still chew today to live at 12000 feet above the sea and higher) for extra endurance they built all those things. Just like the pyramids or stonehenge I guess the answer is: a LOT of forced labor.

But their whole society worked based on that kind of "collaboration". While the mita was to build state infrastructure like roads, aqueducts and bridges, there was also the minka, where a local community would work together "for free" to build or do whatever they needed: build farms, farm them, build canals, mines, mills, etc. And lastly the had the Ayni where each family would help their members with almost whatever they needed, from building them a new house to watching over their kids or livestock. Of course whoever refused to work on either of these was just kicked out of the village.

They didn't had gunpowder to fend off the spanish but they lived pretty chill, almost "socialist" lives lol. No one went hungry, all had access to some very advanced medicine and everyone had homes. I've been working for 5 years now and I don't own a house, a car nor can I pay expensive private medical insurance so I envy them a bit :lol:

I think that's what we really lack these days. There is no community anymore. Big corporations rule over us, destroy the world for profit and we are too busy being angry at our neighbors because the rich guys tell us they are the reason we are miserable somehow.

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Re: Cultivation confessional [Re: Radamanto] * 3
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Yeah, to me the civilization that the Inca ended up dominating is the wild part.

People think medieval rock walls are fascinating, while they ignore the truly mind-blowing stuff like all the different varieties of potato designed to grow at specific altitudes.

Edited by B Traven (01/13/25 07:07 PM)

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Re: Cultivation confessional [Re: Radamanto] * 1
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Radamanto said:
I will chime in on this since I grew up in Peru, have been to Cuzco over 10 times and studied the most "realistic" history about all that: A lot of the things tour guides say are straight up false or exaggerated, just to make it sound cooler to tourists. Almost all Inca sites were built between the 1400 and the spanish conquest on 1530 ish.



There is increasing evidence to suggest that Sacsayhuaman was likely built in stages with the enormous foundational boulders possibly constructed long before that and that the work done under the reign of Pachacuti, the ninth Inca emperor, was done in the time period you suggest and it was put in place to convert the structure into a Fortress. Unfortunately, the Spanish quarried most of the stone that was done in that 2nd phase to go into their churches so not much of it remains but what does remain suggests a very different style and quality of stonework from the work done to create the foundational structures. This is not tall tales from overly enthusiastic tour guides.

Radamanto said:
Don't take me wrong, what they built is just stunning, they knew their craft, math, astronomy and a lot of other sciences. And as for how they did it? Basically state sanctioned forced labor called mita. That's how the people paid "taxes" back there. With that and a lot of coca leaves (which peruvians still chew today to live at 12000 feet above the sea and higher) for extra endurance they built all those things. Just like the pyramids or stonehenge I guess the answer is: a LOT of forced labor.



Certainly much of the work the Incas did with regard to roads, bridges and canals can be logically understood as they were working with smaller blocks of stone fitted together in ways that seem realistic. But the foundational boulders at Sacsayhuaman fall into a completely different category. Some of the largest boulders weigh from 128-200 tonnes. Given how steep the mountains are where those boulders came from, it doesn't not seem at all realistic that cooperative or even forced labor could have accomplished that. How could they possibly have moved those boulders across a raging high mountain river?


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Re: Cultivation confessional [Re: KauaiOrca]
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KauaiOrca said:
Radamanto said:
I will chime in on this since I grew up in Peru, have been to Cuzco over 10 times and studied the most "realistic" history about all that: A lot of the things tour guides say are straight up false or exaggerated, just to make it sound cooler to tourists. Almost all Inca sites were built between the 1400 and the spanish conquest on 1530 ish.



There is increasing evidence to suggest that Sacsayhuaman was likely built in stages with the enormous foundational boulders possibly constructed long before that and that the work done under the reign of Pachacuti, the ninth Inca emperor, was done in the time period you suggest and it was put in place to convert the structure into a Fortress. Unfortunately, the Spanish quarried most of the stone that was done in that 2nd phase to go into their churches so not much of it remains but what does remain suggests a very different style and quality of stonework from the work done to create the foundational structures. This is not tall tales from overly enthusiastic tour guides.

Radamanto said:
Don't take me wrong, what they built is just stunning, they knew their craft, math, astronomy and a lot of other sciences. And as for how they did it? Basically state sanctioned forced labor called mita. That's how the people paid "taxes" back there. With that and a lot of coca leaves (which peruvians still chew today to live at 12000 feet above the sea and higher) for extra endurance they built all those things. Just like the pyramids or stonehenge I guess the answer is: a LOT of forced labor.



Certainly much of the work the Incas did with regard to roads, bridges and canals can be logically understood as they were working with smaller blocks of stone fitted together in ways that seem realistic. But the foundational boulders at Sacsayhuaman fall into a completely different category. Some of the largest boulders weigh from 128-200 tonnes. Given how steep the mountains are where those boulders came from, it doesn't not seem at all realistic that cooperative or even forced labor could have accomplished that. How could they possibly have moved those boulders across a raging high mountain river?



ALIENS!


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Re: Cultivation confessional [Re: OLDDAD77] * 3
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I confess: I don't read novels.^

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Re: Cultivation confessional [Re: B Traven] * 4
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KauaiOrca said:
But the foundational boulders at Sacsayhuaman fall into a completely different category. Some of the largest boulders weigh from 128-200 tonnes. Given how steep the mountains are where those boulders came from, it doesn't not seem at all realistic that cooperative or even forced labor could have accomplished that. How could they possibly have moved those boulders across a raging high mountain river?



They built on previous civilizations buildings and knowledge for sure, but about the stones, check Wally Wallington videos, his name is funny but he shows how one person is able to move 10-20 ton concrete blocks by himself with levers or other wood contraptions. And the wikipedia page on inca architecture also explain it really well based on spanish chroniclers from those times. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inca_architecture

B Traven said:
Yeah, to me the civilization that the Inca ended up dominating is the wild part.

People think medieval rock walls are fascinating, while they ignore the truly mind-blowing stuff like all the different varieties of potato designed to grow at specific altitudes.



This is the most important part for me. In Inca society people could do whatever they wanted as long as it was at least somewhat productive and you worked your allotted months for the state. They built botanical stations at every altitude to test and cross potato strains. I bet they had a guy like fahtster that one day came with the idea of shaking potato flowers together to get new varieties and they just let him do his thing :lol:

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Re: Cultivation confessional [Re: Radamanto] * 4
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now watching ancient apocalypse.  pretty compelling.  im not really at least so far seeing that he ever suggests that aliens or giants built any of these structures.  i dont know what to make of it exactly yet.  none of it really seems so controversial.

edit:  oh.

Edited by BeefExtreme (01/13/25 08:57 PM)

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Re: Cultivation confessional [Re: BeefExtreme] * 1
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BeefSupremeJr said:
now watching ancient apocalypse.  pretty compelling.  im not really at least so far seeing that he ever suggests that aliens or giants built any of these structures.  i dont know what to make of it exactly yet.  none of it really seems so controversial.



He doesn't bring aliens into the topic in this series at all. The theory is that advanced civilizations existed prior to the ice age that were wiped out and they spread culture, and technological advancements throughout the world related to architecture, agriculture and mythology.

The book that put Hancock on the map, however, was "Fingerprints of the Gods" (1998) and he does talk about an Atlantean civilization of extreme sophistication.

Hancock has spent a lot of time in the Amazon with an Ayahuasca Shaman and done many ceremonies over the years. He has suffered his entire life from extreme migraines and he was healed in one of the ceremonies. I think his current thinking is that plants/fungi are doorways to inter dimensional beings that have taught humans critical things like language, mathematics, etc. and that these ancient civilizations might have had more direct contact with these inter dimensional Gods than we do.


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Re: Cultivation confessional [Re: BeefExtreme]
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BeefSupremeJr said:
edit:  oh.



:strokebeard:
My interest is rising.

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Re: Cultivation confessional [Re: KauaiOrca] * 6
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KauaiOrca said:
I think his current thinking is that plants/fungi are doorways to inter dimensional beings that have taught humans critical things like language, mathematics, etc. and that these ancient civilizations might have had more direct contact with these inter dimensional Gods than we do.




Just imagine what impact psychedelics would have had on an individual back then without the stimulation, distractions of today and understanding of the world/science. Times where gods were still real.

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Re: Cultivation confessional [Re: Baba Yaga] * 3
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I really think people in the past (before modern religions maybe) used to do every single natural drug they could find :lol: There was no TV and looking at the stars is cool and all, but you need a decent amount of drugs to look at 4 stars and say: “Yeah, that’s a bull, those are a lion and those 5 are a goat”

Cult confession: I lost my first 2 attempts at shoeboxes to stalling and trich. The spawn looked good and after seeing how my new shoeboxes are doing, I think it was my fault for giving them too low FAE and misting too much. As a shoebox noob I broke the cardinal rule of LITFA and paid for my sins.

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Re: Cultivation confessional [Re: Radamanto] * 7
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Could also be that the boxes stalled because trich was already present but not visible til later. In that case it would be an issue with your spawn.


Drugs where probably more common back then I guess, if you still forage a lot then you would automatically come across some psychoactive plant or fungus etc. There ain't any psychedelics coming out of a Nestle or Unilever food processing plant, their shit only gives you cancer and severe flatulence.

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Re: Cultivation confessional [Re: KauaiOrca]
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KauaiOrca said:
Hancock has spent a lot of time in the Amazon with an Ayahuasca Shaman and done many ceremonies over the years. He has suffered his entire life from extreme migraines and he was healed in one of the ceremonies. I think his current thinking is that plants/fungi are doorways to inter dimensional beings that have taught humans critical things like language, mathematics, etc. and that these ancient civilizations might have had more direct contact with these inter dimensional Gods than we do.



that's what the bible says at least- along with pretty much every other culture on the planet

God *interdimensional beings*
VVV
Adam- given naming 'representational language'
moses- given the alphabet
mohammed- 'read in the name of the lord'

then there's the whole tower of babel story- and looking at a few trains of evidence, it's the rational, language using mind which inhibits telepathy - so!


first thing to do in any warfare situation is to disable enemy coms



Anyone interested in the concept should definitely read leonard shlains 'the alphabet vs the goddess'- he doesn't at all touch on the higher-entity angle- but lays out how huge of a difference on our culture the alphabet had.


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Edited by SevR (01/13/25 11:19 PM)

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Re: Cultivation confessional [Re: Baba Yaga]
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When do I gain access to the market place and where does it ppear when I do finally gain access?

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Re: Cultivation confessional [Re: Baba Yaga] * 2
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Baba Yaga said:
Just imagine what impact psychedelics would have had on an individual back then without the stimulation, distractions of today and understanding of the world/science. Times where gods were still real.




oh you mean when people would actually pay attention to what they were experiencing instead of dismissing it as merely visuals or hallucinations?


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Re: Cultivation confessional [Re: INoSkopedJFK] * 2
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INoSkopedJFK said:
When do I gain access to the market place and where does it ppear when I do finally gain access?



50 posts and 90 days

i confess i check this periodically even though i know it wont open for me until *checks notes* March 4 :facepalm3:

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/postlist.php/Board/43





oh and on the off-topic i confess i hate archeologists... read too much Carl Lehrburger. There's just too much evidence to the contrary to believe the europeans of the 15th century were the first culture to make it to America.
https://annas-archive.org/md5/ab3649355c96d238f46b85dd2beb1d88
pdf^ "Secrets of Ancient America: Archaeoastronomy and the Legacy of the Phoenicians, Celts, and Other Forgotten Explorers"


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:mushroom2: panta rhei :mushroom2:

Edited by PinePalace (01/14/25 12:46 AM)

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Re: Cultivation confessional [Re: INoSkopedJFK]
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INoSkopedJFK said:
When do I gain access to the market place and where does it ppear when I do finally gain access?




90 days from registering with 50+ posts.


" Community > Marketplace"

Edit
:whathesaid:

Edited by LewDoja (01/14/25 12:05 AM)

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Re: Cultivation confessional [Re: PinePalace] * 2
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Aww I see i thought i just needed 50 post but I guess I got Until March 17th hell yea thank you brother I don't mind waiting means I can absorb more knowlede

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Re: Cultivation confessional [Re: INoSkopedJFK] * 1
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INoSkopedJFK said:
Aww I see i thought i just needed 50 post but I guess I got Until March 17th hell yea thank you brother I don't mind waiting means I can absorb more knowlede



Great attitude to have.🤙

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