Radamanto said:

I will chime in on this since I grew up in Peru, have been to Cuzco over 10 times and studied the most "realistic" history about all that: A lot of the things tour guides say are straight up false or exaggerated, just to make it sound cooler to tourists. Almost all Inca sites were built between the 1400 and the spanish conquest on 1530 ish.

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Radamanto said:

Don't take me wrong, what they built is just stunning, they knew their craft, math, astronomy and a lot of other sciences. And as for how they did it? Basically state sanctioned forced labor called mita. That's how the people paid "taxes" back there. With that and a lot of coca leaves (which peruvians still chew today to live at 12000 feet above the sea and higher) for extra endurance they built all those things. Just like the pyramids or stonehenge I guess the answer is: a LOT of forced labor.

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KauaiOrca said:

Radamanto said:

I will chime in on this since I grew up in Peru, have been to Cuzco over 10 times and studied the most "realistic" history about all that: A lot of the things tour guides say are straight up false or exaggerated, just to make it sound cooler to tourists. Almost all Inca sites were built between the 1400 and the spanish conquest on 1530 ish.

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There is increasing evidence to suggest that Sacsayhuaman was likely built in stages with the enormous foundational boulders possibly constructed long before that and that the work done under the reign of Pachacuti, the ninth Inca emperor, was done in the time period you suggest and it was put in place to convert the structure into a Fortress. Unfortunately, the Spanish quarried most of the stone that was done in that 2nd phase to go into their churches so not much of it remains but what does remain suggests a very different style and quality of stonework from the work done to create the foundational structures. This is not tall tales from overly enthusiastic tour guides.

Radamanto said:

Don't take me wrong, what they built is just stunning, they knew their craft, math, astronomy and a lot of other sciences. And as for how they did it? Basically state sanctioned forced labor called mita. That's how the people paid "taxes" back there. With that and a lot of coca leaves (which peruvians still chew today to live at 12000 feet above the sea and higher) for extra endurance they built all those things. Just like the pyramids or stonehenge I guess the answer is: a LOT of forced labor.

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Certainly much of the work the Incas did with regard to roads, bridges and canals can be logically understood as they were working with smaller blocks of stone fitted together in ways that seem realistic. But the foundational boulders at Sacsayhuaman fall into a completely different category. Some of the largest boulders weigh from 128-200 tonnes. Given how steep the mountains are where those boulders came from, it doesn't not seem at all realistic that cooperative or even forced labor could have accomplished that. How could they possibly have moved those boulders across a raging high mountain river?

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KauaiOrca said:

But the foundational boulders at Sacsayhuaman fall into a completely different category. Some of the largest boulders weigh from 128-200 tonnes. Given how steep the mountains are where those boulders came from, it doesn't not seem at all realistic that cooperative or even forced labor could have accomplished that. How could they possibly have moved those boulders across a raging high mountain river?

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B Traven said:

Yeah, to me the civilization that the Inca ended up dominating is the wild part.

People think medieval rock walls are fascinating, while they ignore the truly mind-blowing stuff like all the different varieties of potato designed to grow at specific altitudes.

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This is the most important part for me. In Inca society people could do whatever they wanted as long as it was at least somewhat productive and you worked your allotted months for the state. They built botanical stations at every altitude to test and cross potato strains. I bet they had a guy like fahtster that one day came with the idea of shaking potato flowers together to get new varieties and they just let him do his thing

BeefSupremeJr said:

now watching ancient apocalypse.  pretty compelling.  im not really at least so far seeing that he ever suggests that aliens or giants built any of these structures.  i dont know what to make of it exactly yet.  none of it really seems so controversial.

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BeefSupremeJr said:

edit:  oh.

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My interest is rising.

KauaiOrca said:

I think his current thinking is that plants/fungi are doorways to inter dimensional beings that have taught humans critical things like language, mathematics, etc. and that these ancient civilizations might have had more direct contact with these inter dimensional Gods than we do.

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KauaiOrca said:

Hancock has spent a lot of time in the Amazon with an Ayahuasca Shaman and done many ceremonies over the years. He has suffered his entire life from extreme migraines and he was healed in one of the ceremonies. I think his current thinking is that plants/fungi are doorways to inter dimensional beings that have taught humans critical things like language, mathematics, etc. and that these ancient civilizations might have had more direct contact with these inter dimensional Gods than we do.

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Baba Yaga said:

Just imagine what impact psychedelics would have had on an individual back then without the stimulation, distractions of today and understanding of the world/science. Times where gods were still real.

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INoSkopedJFK said:

When do I gain access to the market place and where does it ppear when I do finally gain access?

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50 posts and 90 days

i confess i check this periodically even though i know it wont open for me until *checks notes* March 4

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/postlist.php/Board/43





oh and on the off-topic i confess i hate archeologists... read too much Carl Lehrburger. There's just too much evidence to the contrary to believe the europeans of the 15th century were the first culture to make it to America.
https://annas-archive.org/md5/ab3649355c96d238f46b85dd2beb1d88
pdf^ "Secrets of Ancient America: Archaeoastronomy and the Legacy of the Phoenicians, Celts, and Other Forgotten Explorers"

INoSkopedJFK said:

When do I gain access to the market place and where does it ppear when I do finally gain access?

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90 days from registering with 50+ posts.


" Community > Marketplace"

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INoSkopedJFK said:

Aww I see i thought i just needed 50 post but I guess I got Until March 17th hell yea thank you brother I don't mind waiting means I can absorb more knowlede

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