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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: nosf3r4tu] * 1
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indeed. there seems to be a considerable dialectic concerning standard operating procedure and its application to different "lines" of semp.
hopefully we can narrow down the source of some of this obfuscation. It would be nice to be able to provide a comprehensive approach for people who want to spend minimal money.
or, this is just the way things are. only time and solid testing will tell.


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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: fiddle_head] * 3
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I just add extra dry verm if it's too wet. Screw all that squeezing.

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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: RockinRobot]
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RockinRobot said:
I just add extra dry verm if it's too wet. Screw all that squeezing.

:crazy2:


i do this too. i'm gonna try wringing it out just because.


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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: fiddle_head] * 8
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I wouldn't overthink them too much. I mean, they do grow on mold. :lol:

I've noticed little, if any difference between lines and conditions. There is some difference between culture lines. Meaning that there are morphological tendencies, like Hindsight culture almost always wants to up curl the caps into a sort of reverse sectoid. It's also faster than most. While Rockins Bell Caps are more like the old school lineage where some of the caps upturn, but never to the degree the HSC does.. even in the same conditions. On average they've been a little slower for me as well. I've had them side by side in tubs and the grow tent and they've stayed consistent. Both put out heavy canopies but Bell Caps tend to be larger for me. Loving that culture btw. :rockon:
I under estimated the last jar of Bell Caps and it took a few more days than expected to really drop spores. Which is fine being I actually have the time to deal with them today lol.
Here's the last pics from this flush.. this time.




Second flush from the first contaminated jar..

I'm not even sure the different casing layers make much difference honestly. Being both of these jars are contaminated they don't really qualify as an experiment in that respect. More curled caps with this flush though still not as much as I get with HSC.
Both are fine cultures and I grow both so I'm not knocking HSC by any means.. but Bell Caps are the shiz.
:snoopyes:

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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: the_chosen_one] * 2
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the_chosen_one said:
I wouldn't overthink them too much. I mean, they do grow on mold. :lol:

I've noticed little, if any difference between lines and conditions. There is some difference between culture lines. Meaning that there are morphological tendencies, like Hindsight culture almost always wants to up curl the caps into a sort of reverse sectoid. It's also faster than most. While Rockins Bell Caps are more like the old school lineage where some of the caps upturn, but never to the degree the HSC does.. even in the same conditions. On average they've been a little slower for me as well. I've had them side by side in tubs and the grow tent and they've stayed consistent. Both put out heavy canopies but Bell Caps tend to be larger for me. Loving that culture btw. :rockon:
I under estimated the last jar of Bell Caps and it took a few more days than expected to really drop spores. Which is fine being I actually have the time to deal with them today lol.
Here's the last pics from this flush.. this time.




Second flush from the first contaminated jar..

I'm not even sure the different casing layers make much difference honestly. Being both of these jars are contaminated they don't really qualify as an experiment in that respect. More curled caps with this flush though still not as much as I get with HSC.
Both are fine cultures and I grow both so I'm not knocking HSC by any means.. but Bell Caps are the shiz.
:snoopyes:


I was wondering if anyone managed to get them to grow out. This is the first report I've heard about my bellcap prints. Glad to hear they doing good.

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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: RockinRobot]
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There's a few people having results around here. I'm not sure if anyone has had the original Bell Cap look, but this is from the first of a few isolates I'm going to be checking out eventually. Might get them yet. :thumbup:

Do you remember if that look held up through later flushes? There's a little morphological difference with this isolate.

Thanks again!
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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: the_chosen_one]
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What’s the original bell cap look like?

Edit: added a word

Edited by The Tao (07/14/24 12:54 PM)

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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: The Tao]
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The Tao said:
What’s the original bell cap look like?

Edit: added a word



AFAIK The ones in my sig were the original. My spores came from Rosco but none of his showed the bell caps to my knowledge.

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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: Melgo] * 5
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Melgo said:
LewDoja said:
Also, did the grain turn blue after shaking at all?

All my semp jars turn dark dark blue shortly after shaking.

Not sure if this is the consensus...


Mine don't.

A.k.a said:
When you guys pasteurize are you letting the sub sit for a few days after so the microbes can repopulate it?? I never do but that would prob help.



I've done both and never noticed a difference.

RockinRobot said:
Why all this talk of pasteurization? Who bothers pasteurizing sub for Semps. Semps just need bucket tek coir. Only the casing needs pasteurized.


It could depend on the coir brand you get. I never managed to fruit anything with the bucket tek coir - but that was 8 years ago.
Maybe I could give it another try with the new brand I'm working with (I can't get Coco Bliss here).

fiddle_head said:
Yes, I was told this. Nichrome and Mojave also advised me to run it dry so I will do so. I didn’t realize the excess moisture was that deterministic with semperviva.


I confirm that it is. But then you have milkboy who comes in and rub our noses in it telling us that he doesn't adjust his coir and doesn't case and does bucket tek and gets great results (and good on him!) :rofl:

To me MojaveMyc summed it up the best:

MojaveMyc said:
They’ll put up with a lot. Just keep growing them until you find something that likes the way you do things


In your case fiddy, I'd extend pasteurization time and then squeeze the fuck out of your coir before spawning it.
And if you have resources and time I'd also try the bucket tek, and then squeeze the fuck out of your coir before spawning it.

We can see from this thread that there isn't just one sure way of growing Semp - so I prefer to say that "this hasn't worked for me" rather than "this doesn't work".


Hey, I have had my fair share of shitty semp grows.


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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: RockinRobot]
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[quote]RoscoeReturns said:
RockinRobot got spores from me, which were given to me by The Tao, and are originally from Melgo I believe. These would have been the “fast” variety, but always seem slow to me.

RockinRobot said:
The Tao said:
What’s the original bell cap look like?

Edit: added a word



AFAIK The ones in my sig were the original. My spores came from Rosco but none of his showed the bell caps to my knowledge.


What did the caps look like when you harvested/printed?

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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: The Tao] * 1
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The Tao said:
[quote]RoscoeReturns said:
RockinRobot got spores from me, which were given to me by The Tao, and are originally from Melgo I believe. These would have been the “fast” variety, but always seem slow to me.

RockinRobot said:
The Tao said:
What’s the original bell cap look like?

Edit: added a word



AFAIK The ones in my sig were the original. My spores came from Rosco but none of his showed the bell caps to my knowledge.


What did the caps look like when you harvested/printed?


Pics in sig were taken at harvest so that's how they finished. You can check my journal for pics as they matured.

Edited by RockinRobot (07/14/24 04:51 PM)

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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: RockinRobot]
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Checked your journal, very nice. I haven’t had caps like that yet, needed a visual reference for a bell cap.

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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: RockinRobot]
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Amazing. They're so big and different :unbelievable:


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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: The Tao] * 2
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The Tao said:
Checked your journal, very nice. I haven’t had caps like that yet, needed a visual reference for a bell cap.



Someone else on this thread named them Bell Caps, after I posted pics, and the name stuck.

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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: milkboy] * 3
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milkboy said:
Melgo said:
LewDoja said:
Also, did the grain turn blue after shaking at all?

All my semp jars turn dark dark blue shortly after shaking.

Not sure if this is the consensus...


Mine don't.

A.k.a said:
When you guys pasteurize are you letting the sub sit for a few days after so the microbes can repopulate it?? I never do but that would prob help.



I've done both and never noticed a difference.

RockinRobot said:
Why all this talk of pasteurization? Who bothers pasteurizing sub for Semps. Semps just need bucket tek coir. Only the casing needs pasteurized.


It could depend on the coir brand you get. I never managed to fruit anything with the bucket tek coir - but that was 8 years ago.
Maybe I could give it another try with the new brand I'm working with (I can't get Coco Bliss here).

fiddle_head said:
Yes, I was told this. Nichrome and Mojave also advised me to run it dry so I will do so. I didn’t realize the excess moisture was that deterministic with semperviva.


I confirm that it is. But then you have milkboy who comes in and rub our noses in it telling us that he doesn't adjust his coir and doesn't case and does bucket tek and gets great results (and good on him!) :rofl:

To me MojaveMyc summed it up the best:

MojaveMyc said:
They’ll put up with a lot. Just keep growing them until you find something that likes the way you do things


In your case fiddy, I'd extend pasteurization time and then squeeze the fuck out of your coir before spawning it.
And if you have resources and time I'd also try the bucket tek, and then squeeze the fuck out of your coir before spawning it.

We can see from this thread that there isn't just one sure way of growing Semp - so I prefer to say that "this hasn't worked for me" rather than "this doesn't work".


Hey, I have had my fair share of shitty semp grows.



Guy says mushroom grows then posts a picture of ramen.  Nice try milkboy.
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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: Mr Piggy] * 9
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Cup noodles from earlier today.
P. hoogshagenii var. convexa.


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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: milkboy] * 3
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milkboy said:
Hey, I have had my fair share of shitty semp grows.



:rofl: You're a legend! :rofl:

I was wondering when I'd be able to use this one, but that is representing of what you are doing to us right now:
:jaded:

+5:mushroom2: for you! :yesnod:


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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: Melgo] * 10
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any ideas on what gives on the last two?
variegated, deformed and painfully slow


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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: 999999999]
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Are all 4 pictures relatable to a singular grow?

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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: The Tao]
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watchamean? same culture? No
the spaghetti bolognese is from a plate pin
The problematic last 2 came from distinct sectors from a germ plate
(I do have a hint that the issue might be the unbalanced pH casing...but could it have such dramatic influence?...)


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