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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: tryptkaloids] * 1
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Bottom watering is fine too. Trying everything out, I’ve found that misting is more than enough on its own.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Smellyhobbit] * 1
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Yea, I just find it easier to mist lite and add a little on the bottom. Less work on the grip strength


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: tryptkaloids]
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Hey fellas, question: I recently spawned a mono in lieu of shoeboxes like I normally do. With shoeboxes I used double black trash bag liners and almost never saw a side pin, worked great.

Moving on to the mono, I decided to go half way unmodified and half way modified, meaning I drilled 6 very small 1/4" holes at sub level and two 1" holes on the adjacent sides near the top and glued SFDs on. I decided to use a single liner cuz OMG PITA, and its white so it lets more light thru. Fast forward to yesterday - The top layer is heavily colonizing now but I'm also seeing a shitload of side pins coming in.

So my questions are: Why so many side pins given the use of a liner? Is it due to the liner being white and light penetrating through? Is it because I went with a slight modified version and FAE occurred too quickly/before the top fully colonized?  Yes I know 'because the conditions on the side are more in tune to pinning,' but I'm trying to figure out what caused this.

With my shoeboxes I keep the lids closed until the top colonizes and then crack them. With the mono I varied slightly - with the slightly modified version, and I was testing misting the top layer heavily every day and then letting it evaporate, before the top colonized. The top has now colonized really well, but ugh side pins eating up nutrition!!!!


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: ShroomNugget] * 1
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ShroomNugget said:
Hey fellas, question: I recently spawned a mono in lieu of shoeboxes like I normally do. With shoeboxes I used double black trash bag liners and almost never saw a side pin, worked great.

Moving on to the mono, I decided to go half way unmodified and half way modified, meaning I drilled 6 very small 1/4" holes at sub level and two 1" holes on the adjacent sides near the top and glued SFDs on. I decided to use a single liner cuz OMG PITA, and its white so it lets more light thru. Fast forward to yesterday - The top layer is heavily colonizing now but I'm also seeing a shitload of side pins coming in.

So my questions are: Why so many side pins given the use of a liner? Is it due to the liner being white and light penetrating through? Is it because I went with a slight modified version and FAE occurred too quickly/before the top fully colonized?  Yes I know 'because the conditions on the side are more in tune to pinning,' but I'm trying to figure out what caused this.

With my shoeboxes I keep the lids closed until the top colonizes and then crack them. With the mono I varied slightly - with the slightly modified version, and I was testing misting the top layer heavily every day and then letting it evaporate, before the top colonized. The top has now colonized really well, but ugh side pins eating up nutrition!!!!


Pics of the surface would be helpful.

Light is not really the cause of side pins.

Repetitive misting and drying of the substrate can cause surface mycelium to become matted. If this occurs it will almost never pin from the matted surface. Sides may be the only area conducive to pinning? As I said, pics would help us help you.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: RoscoeReturns]
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Anyone’s grain jars dry out from sitting too long?
I realized I made too many to use with how much I’ve been working lately.. I’ve got 40 quarts of sterile grains and only 4 colonizing lol.

I’m not worried about sterility after 2.5hr @ 17psi and SFD’s on the jars… but I’m worried they may dry out and become less viable if I don’t get sound to using the last of them for another month or two.

Should I put them in the fridge?
Expect to have to rehydrate and PC again if they sit 8+ weeks?


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: MicroMycelium] * 2
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Just leave them in the cupboard covered in foil, they will be fine for a few months as long as the cupboard isn't hot.

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: DERRAYLD]
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DERRAYLD said:
Just leave them in the cupboard covered in foil, they will be fine for a few months as long as the cupboard isn't hot.


I’m assuming the foil is to reduce fae through/preserve the SFD/jars?
I’ve got them sitting in a tent with temps around 70-76 but I’ve got 6 tubs fruiting in there which I’m sure changes the conditions a bit.
I’ll move them to a closet to be more isolated. :salute:


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: MicroMycelium]
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Hello! I was wondering if it looks like my quart jar has some contamination in it. Some of the areas look a bit extra fuzzy compared to the mycelium, but I’m struggling to tell if that is the fuzzy edge of the mycelium or a more cobweb-y mold. I could try spawning this jar regardless—it’ll be ready in a few days!



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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: RoscoeReturns]
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RoscoeReturns said:
ShroomNugget said:
Hey fellas, question: I recently spawned a mono in lieu of shoeboxes like I normally do. With shoeboxes I used double black trash bag liners and almost never saw a side pin, worked great.

Moving on to the mono, I decided to go half way unmodified and half way modified, meaning I drilled 6 very small 1/4" holes at sub level and two 1" holes on the adjacent sides near the top and glued SFDs on. I decided to use a single liner cuz OMG PITA, and its white so it lets more light thru. Fast forward to yesterday - The top layer is heavily colonizing now but I'm also seeing a shitload of side pins coming in.

So my questions are: Why so many side pins given the use of a liner? Is it due to the liner being white and light penetrating through? Is it because I went with a slight modified version and FAE occurred too quickly/before the top fully colonized?  Yes I know 'because the conditions on the side are more in tune to pinning,' but I'm trying to figure out what caused this.

With my shoeboxes I keep the lids closed until the top colonizes and then crack them. With the mono I varied slightly - with the slightly modified version, and I was testing misting the top layer heavily every day and then letting it evaporate, before the top colonized. The top has now colonized really well, but ugh side pins eating up nutrition!!!!


Pics of the surface would be helpful.

Light is not really the cause of side pins.

Repetitive misting and drying of the substrate can cause surface mycelium to become matted. If this occurs it will almost never pin from the matted surface. Sides may be the only area conducive to pinning? As I said, pics would help us help you.


Top isn't fully colonized yet, its around 80%, so no there isnt any matting, it's just coming through. By the time I get home today it might be full. The top looks awesome and I'm wondering why side pins started before the top even colonized fully?

The biggest change I made was using the slightly modified tub. My shoeboxes were unmodified. I'm wondering if the extra oxygen at surface level creeped down the sides which caused this. That or using a single liner, the liner didn't stick well enough to the sub and instead stuck to the sides. I definitely tamp down the sides well.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: ShroomNugget]
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ShroomNugget said:
RoscoeReturns said:
ShroomNugget said:
Hey fellas, question: I recently spawned a mono in lieu of shoeboxes like I normally do. With shoeboxes I used double black trash bag liners and almost never saw a side pin, worked great.

Moving on to the mono, I decided to go half way unmodified and half way modified, meaning I drilled 6 very small 1/4" holes at sub level and two 1" holes on the adjacent sides near the top and glued SFDs on. I decided to use a single liner cuz OMG PITA, and its white so it lets more light thru. Fast forward to yesterday - The top layer is heavily colonizing now but I'm also seeing a shitload of side pins coming in.

So my questions are: Why so many side pins given the use of a liner? Is it due to the liner being white and light penetrating through? Is it because I went with a slight modified version and FAE occurred too quickly/before the top fully colonized?  Yes I know 'because the conditions on the side are more in tune to pinning,' but I'm trying to figure out what caused this.

With my shoeboxes I keep the lids closed until the top colonizes and then crack them. With the mono I varied slightly - with the slightly modified version, and I was testing misting the top layer heavily every day and then letting it evaporate, before the top colonized. The top has now colonized really well, but ugh side pins eating up nutrition!!!!


Pics of the surface would be helpful.

Light is not really the cause of side pins.

Repetitive misting and drying of the substrate can cause surface mycelium to become matted. If this occurs it will almost never pin from the matted surface. Sides may be the only area conducive to pinning? As I said, pics would help us help you.


Top isn't fully colonized yet, its around 80%, so no there isnt any matting, it's just coming through. By the time I get home today it might be full. The top looks awesome and I'm wondering why side pins started before the top even colonized fully?

The biggest change I made was using the slightly modified tub. My shoeboxes were unmodified. I'm wondering if the extra oxygen at surface level creeped down the sides which caused this. That or using a single liner, the liner didn't stick well enough to the sub and instead stuck to the sides. I definitely tamp down the sides well.


If it’s pinning before full colonization that usually indicates some contamination. The mycelium wants to fruit as soon as possible in case it can’t fight off the other organism.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: RoscoeReturns]
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150F for 1.5 hours good pasteurization temp for my peat verm lime casing?


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: AspectOfTheCreator]
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what are you up to sir? havent heard of anyone doing this in years.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: BeefExtreme]
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Casing penis envy/pan cyans. Using franks proper pasteurization. Had no problem last time. This time my temp didnt quite get to 160F. Instead it held at 150-155F


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: AspectOfTheCreator]
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AspectOfTheCreator said:
Casing penis envy/pan cyans. Using franks proper pasteurization. Had no problem last time. This time my temp didnt quite get to 160F. Instead it held at 150-155F


If your temp doesn’t get quite high enough you have to pasteurize longer. I pasteurize my casing at 160F for four hours. Many would say that’s overkill, but it ensures I reach that temp in even the center of the mass of casing.

How long do you usually pasteurize at 160? I know some do an hour only. If so 1.5 hours at 155 would likely be fine. Don’t forget out thermometers have some degree of inaccuracy. Your 155 may actually be closer to 160.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: BeefExtreme]
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140-160 is perfect for pasteurization.

BeefSupremeJr said:
what are you up to sir? havent heard of anyone doing this in years.


Faht and I still make proper casings..


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: AspectOfTheCreator]
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AspectOfTheCreator said:
150F for 1.5 hours good pasteurization temp for my peat verm lime casing?


Just know that pasuerization temperature is measured from the center.  I pasteurize between 160 and 180 for ninty minutes.  But it takes awhile to hit 160 and I have a long kitchen thermometer so I can measure from the center of mass.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: RoscoeReturns]
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BeefSupremeJr said:
what are you up to sir? havent heard of anyone doing this in years.


I also pastuerize my PML, at 170ish in my dehydrator for 3-4 hrs. :shrug:


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RoscoeReturns said:If it’s pinning before full colonization that usually indicates some contamination. The mycelium wants to fruit as soon as possible in case it can’t fight off the other organism.


I'll be honest and at this point I'm sick and tired of people suggesting 'its probably contam' without any other suggestion. I know a lot of you guys know your shit but you seem quick to point the finger at contam, especially without a photo (can't while at work, will shortly). I think its being flung around far too liberally, which can mind fucking people like me who go far above and beyond in my prep to ensure it's sterile... To the point that people ask me "Why the hell I do that? Not necessary!"

I wash my hands and arms, wore tyvek sleeves, surgeon gloves, and mask. I clean everything going into the SAB with 70% ISO. My HVAC system is off and theres zero air movement other than my arms. I vent my PC for 10m and PC for 90m in quart jars with self made lids. I never have my hands over my agar plates or jars/bags when I transfer. Honestly this can all go fuck itself now though, because my flow hood is finally finished. :smile:

I don't think anybody has ever suggested anything different from 'likely contam' and you can only go back to the basics and reform your procedure so many times before it grinds you down.

For the record I've only ever had bad contam twice over 8 months, where it was noticeable. All this other 'contam' is apparently invisible and has a mushroom scent so if this is truly the case, I'm being driven nuts.





Apparently you don't get an overall top view because the file is too big. Retook 5x no dice, about to murder my phone with a hammer atm I'm so frustrated.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: ShroomNugget] * 1
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:freshwtf:


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: milkboy]
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I was pretty much told not to make a new thread asking about contamination so I’m gonna ask here. Does this look okay or no? First ever grain jars so I’m not sure. I have 7 more plus these but they all look like this so there’s really no reason for me to add pictures of all of them. Thanks.




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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: AskingAlexis]
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AskingAlexis said:
I was pretty much told not to make a new thread asking about contamination so I’m gonna ask here. Does this look okay or no? First ever grain jars so I’m not sure. I have 7 more plus these but they all look like this so there’s really no reason for me to add pictures of all of them. Thanks.






So far so good :thumbup:


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