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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: stroopwafelman] * 2
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stroopwafelman said:
Why does PC sterilization time for liquids seem to differ compared to things like grain? i.e. no-pour agar is 20-30min.
Is there a separate steam sterilization temp/time chart for liquids? since the normal chart lists 60min for 15PSI and 90min for 14PSI.


https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/28166056#28166056
PC time is based on volume. Solids, partΓ­cularly grains, take longer to sterilize since steam won’t penetrate and reach the proper temp as fast.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: San Pedro Girl] * 2
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Water is a better conductor than grains. liquids will always sterilize nice and quick.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Yahra] * 2
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Yahra said:
Maybe liquids transmit heat better than solids?


Liquids actually absorb and transfer heat worse than solids.

The molecules that make up solids are in tight lattices that really absorb and transfer heat well. Liquid molecules are all over the place and dont do so good a job of absorbing and transfering heat.

Hold a lighter to a piece of metal and see how fast it heats up compared to trying to boil some water with a lighter


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: natedawgnow] * 1
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Thanks for enlightening me.

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: natedawgnow] * 1
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natedawgnow said:
Maybe liquids transmit heat better than solids?


Liquids actually absorb and transfer heat worse than solids.

The molecules that make up solids are in tight lattices that really absorb and transfer heat well. Liquid molecules are all over the place and dont do so good a job of absorbing and transfering heat.

Hold a lighter to a piece of metal and see how fast it heats up compared to trying to boil some water with a lighter


Then try the same experiment with a silicone hot glove.😝


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: San Pedro Girl] * 1
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Exceptions that prove the rule :lol:


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: natedawgnow]
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Pandaskis said:
redrum said:
I just started my very first monotum and bulk sub grow.
Visually, how would you say the surface condition looks? Just put it together yesterday?




Surface conditions dont really pop up until the tub is more colonized.

The substrate looks well hydrated to me though and level.


One more thing. How would I know if I need to spray before the tub is colonized? If it's too dry and it's starts colonizing, isn't it to late to spray one the mycelium has developed on the surface?

I don't want it getting too dry prior.


The coir will turn VERY light brown. If you had field capacity at spawn, it is something you don't need to worry about. Newbs tend to over mist stuff, and misting a colonizing substrate is a recipe for disaster. Even if you think it may be dry, you are better off waiting until it colonizes and you can visually see surface conditions better.




So that's where I'm confused. If waiting till it colonizes is the best way, and it's bad to mist once colonized, when are you supposed to mist if it's dry?

My concern is too much fae prior to colonization. I'm doing an unmodified mono with flipped lid




Pandaskis said:
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Its bad to mist while its COLONIZING. Mist once its colonized and white, if theres no small water droplets clinging to the mycelium.

Shouldnt have too much fae. But thats something you can dial in better if thats a case, with an pasty EZ dial monotub imo


Alright I think it makes sense now. Correct me if I'm wrong but pretty much only mist, if needed, before colonization or after and never during?

Now that even if it stalls from being too dry during active colonization? Pretty much nothing to do do at that point bit wait?

I mean if someone messed up field capacity from the get go, what would be the best recourse?

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Nichrome]
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Made a spore syringe using Bod's "A caveman can do it" tek, about 5-6 days later of them being stored at room temp they developed what looks like tiny white fluffy particles, almost like tiny bits of cotton floating in the water.
Searching the forums for similar terms led me to 2 possibilities - either it's contamination or it's the spores germinating.

Here are the pics. Camera doesn't pick those tiny particles that well so only a few are actually visible on the pic, there are quite a few more.





Any thoughts?
In case those are actually germinated spores, how long would that syringe last in this state?
Is it safe to put in the fridge, and how long would it last in one if so?

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: stroopwafelman]
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Maybe limescale from the tap water?


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Yahra]
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Do enigma pins look the same until they start filling out then they get all brainy?


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Screwup] * 1
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Engima isn't a pinner, it's a finner.  Haven't grown it, but that's my understanding.


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If you've never grown mushrooms before, here's how you start.  First, follow the Updated PF Tek, put 4 holes in jar lids not 1, and use a water tub! 
The next move is Shoebox Tek. After that you move onto grains, agar, monotubs.  Agar is easy, just do it.
Other useful links - Picture guide for how things should look and proper surface conditions guide
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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Excess Taters] * 1
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It almost looks like little teeth


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Smellyhobbit] * 2
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They can look more pin like with low fae from what I gather


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: milkboy] * 1
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Ty y’all. Looks like maybe I need more FAE


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: stroopwafelman] * 1
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stroopwafelman said:
Made a spore syringe using Bod's "A caveman can do it" tek, about 5-6 days later of them being stored at room temp they developed what looks like tiny white fluffy particles, almost like tiny bits of cotton floating in the water.
Searching the forums for similar terms led me to 2 possibilities - either it's contamination or it's the spores germinating.


FWIW when I recently tested a spore syringe on agar, it produced myc as quickly as the LCs that I tested on the same day... The spores must have already germinated. I wonder how common that is?


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Yuggoth]
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I've read that one should let Pf cakes dry out after the first flush and before 2nd dunk in order to imitate nature.

How would that work if i fruit them in a water tub? Take them out or remove water and the lid?

Is that even neccessary?


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Yahra] * 1
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Do not let them dry out. The opposite. You need to rehydrate them after the first flush.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Smellyhobbit] * 1
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Yes, i know. I meant let dry out before rehydrating again.

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Second Flush

After the first flush you will need to dunk your cakes again for 18-24 hours to replenish the water in your cakes and allow more mushrooms to grow. It is a good idea to allow your cakes to dry out after the first flush for a few days before dunking for the second flush. After the dunk remove the cakes and place them back into your chamber and continue with your regular misting and fanning routine. Do not re-roll your cakes in verm as mentioned previously in this TEK.


(From EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes)


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Yahra] * 3
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Huh  member come across that before. 11 years old. I think it’s safe to say we’ve learned that is an unnecessary step. I never did it and I don’t know of anyone else who has either.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Smellyhobbit] * 3
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Damn. Fell again for outdated info.

:bestcry:

Thank you for saving me.

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