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Re: Julian Assange Arrested in London [Re: Enlil]
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I agree with everything you just said.  Assange may know, but hasn't said.  Hersh's FBI contact may know, but Hersh hasn't ratted him out yet.


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Re: Julian Assange Arrested in London [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Which renders both of their opinions worthless as evidence.  The evidence we do have, however, points to Russia hacking the DNC and giving emails to Assange.  That isn't make believe.


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Re: Julian Assange Arrested in London [Re: Enlil]
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Enlil said:
Which renders both of their opinions worthless as evidence.


Worthless as evidence in a court of law, sure.  But it also doesn't prove they're lying.  Both are protecting their sources for now...


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Re: Julian Assange Arrested in London [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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It doesn't prove they're lying.  They don't even need to lie for it to be false though.  They could have just been lied to.  It doesn't really matter, though, because like you said, they're protecting their sources, and their sources could be the Russian government for all you know.


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Re: Julian Assange Arrested in London [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Seymour Hersh is 83 years old.... there's no fucking way he's still in the loop.
Seriously  :shrug:

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Re: Julian Assange Arrested in London [Re: Enlil]
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Enlil said:
It doesn't prove they're lying.  They don't even need to lie for it to be false though.  They could have just been lied to.


Could have been.  :shrug:


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Re: Julian Assange Arrested in London [Re: Stable Genius] * 1
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Stable Genius said:
Seymour Hersh is 83 years old.... there's no fucking way he's still in the loop.
Seriously  :shrug:


Why, do old people stop talking?  I know you've heard his recording:



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Re: Julian Assange Arrested in London [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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U.S. Intelligence planned to destroy WikiLeaks by purposely leaking to it false documents with the hope that the group would publish the fakes and forever obliterate their credibility.  Fortunately, that scheme was leaked to WikiLeaks, and the only one who lost credibility was US Intelligence.  :lol:  I'm surprised so many here still put so much faith in them.


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Re: Julian Assange Arrested in London [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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How does that hurt the credibility of the intelligence community?


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Re: Julian Assange Arrested in London [Re: Enlil]
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Perhaps you see nothing wrong with trying to trick people into believing something that's not true, but I find that despicable.  And if we know they try to trick people, why should anyone believe anything they say?


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Re: Julian Assange Arrested in London [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
Perhaps you see nothing wrong with trying to trick people into believing something that's not true, but I find that despicable. 


Yet you're fine voting for the guy who does it on a regular basis.

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Re: Julian Assange Arrested in London [Re: Enlil] * 1
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How does that not hurt it's credibility to try and discredit a whistleblowing website? It just proves that they're absolute scum to any normal person.

That's like saying how does it hurt America's claim to be the foremost representative of freedom and democracy globally when anticolonial movements all over the world believed in the propaganda, based their movement's ideals on the USA, and asked America for help only to be ignored like Ho Chi Minh and Castro, who then had to turn to the Soviet Union for support.

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Re: Julian Assange Arrested in London [Re: Kwyjibo]
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Kwyjibo said:
Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
Perhaps you see nothing wrong with trying to trick people into believing something that's not true, but I find that despicable. 


Yet you're fine voting for the guy who does it on a regular basis.


Do you think Biden doesn't lie?  It didn't matter who I voted for, Biden was going to win California regardless.


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Re: Julian Assange Arrested in London [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
Perhaps you see nothing wrong with trying to trick people into believing something that's not true, but I find that despicable.


Oh my sweet summer child...

I am sorry to have to be the one to burst your bubble, but lying is a big part of the intelligence business, and wikileaks clearly is a security issue for America.  Like it or not, intelligence is a national security necessity, and it often works better than war, which you claim to dislike as well.  Maybe you think we should just trust the world to be nice to us. :shrug:


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Re: Julian Assange Arrested in London [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
Kwyjibo said:
Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
Perhaps you see nothing wrong with trying to trick people into believing something that's not true, but I find that despicable. 


Yet you're fine voting for the guy who does it on a regular basis.


Do you think Biden doesn't lie?  It didn't matter who I voted for, Biden was going to win California regardless.


Do you think Biden lies more than Trump? Trump wasn't the only alternative on the ballot. Do you think Trump was the most honest of them all?

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Re: Julian Assange Arrested in London [Re: Enlil]
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Enlil said:
I am sorry to have to be the one to burst your bubble, but lying is a big part of the intelligence business


I understand that, but I think it's wrong for the Government to lie to its own people.

Enlil said:
...and wikileaks clearly is a security issue for America.


How is it a security issue if you're not corrupt?

Enlil said:
Like it or not, intelligence is a national security necessity, and it often works better than war, which you claim to dislike as well.  Maybe you think we should just trust the world to be nice to us. :shrug:


Dude, intelligence lies us into war.  Look at how many times that's happened.  THAT'S the kind of thing Wikileaks exposes.


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Re: Julian Assange Arrested in London [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
I understand that, but I think it's wrong for the Government to lie to its own people.




That's not what we're talking about, though.  We're talking about lying to wikileaks.

And if you don't think it's a problem that a foreign company is publishing U.S. secret intelligence information, there's not a whole lot for us to discuss.


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Re: Julian Assange Arrested in London [Re: Enlil]
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Enlil said:
Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
I understand that, but I think it's wrong for the Government to lie to its own people.


That's not what we're talking about, though.  We're talking about lying to wikileaks.


No, that's EXACTLY what we're talking about.  Intelligence leaked false documents to Wikileaks to try and hurt their credibility in the eyes of the public because Wikileaks was exposing the corruption inside our intelligence agencies.

Enlil said:
And if you don't think it's a problem that a foreign company is publishing U.S. secret intelligence information, there's not a whole lot for us to discuss.


You don't seem to understand Wikileaks.  They don't reveal secrets about how to build our latest weapons, or what our nuclear codes are.  They reveal secrets that expose wrongdoing and corruption.


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Re: Julian Assange Arrested in London [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Enlil said:
there's not a whole lot for us to discuss.




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Re: Julian Assange Arrested in London [Re: Enlil]
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Fair enough.  We'll agree to disagree on whether exposing Government corruption is ok.  I prefer my Government to not be corrupt, and corruption leaks are ok in my opinion.  :shrug:


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