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Re: Who should be the head of a family? [Re: qman]
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qman said:
...Now, are you going to continue to wrongly insult my social-economic status because you disagree with my opinions?  I really mean, how low is that?  What's your social-economic status and what's the status of your friends and associates?  Guess what, I would never associate your opinions with poverty of lack of formal education just because it didn't conform to my standards because that's being very closed-minded.


You are the one that assumes poverty equates to less worth as a human being, or that I think so, (when I neither implied nor said any such thing). Very interesting.
That demographics often relate to opinions is not a novel idea.
That once again, you feel attacked seems also interesting, and that you ignore the part of my posts that agree with you.

On a less personal note, what many here are suggesting, is that:
1) although you may have some personal experiences that confirm or seem to confirm your view, that does not make it a universal fact. This is why good scientific studies involve thousands of people and control for many variables.
2) and also if you cling to this view it may help create the perception that you take to be the only reality.
3) that others here do not share this perception
4) because this is so for them, a few of the posts don't even take the whole notion seriously. Neither the OPs original post, nor your views.

Not that it matters, but since you shared:
I am so old, and my needs so few, and my isolation so great, that my economic 'status', is of no great importance to anyone.

You are of course right that many rich people are also nasty.

....The world is of course full of conflicts, on just about every level. People have kids, and envision, a happy family, such as one sees in the color pictures, in ads. The reality is of course far different. I see bitter sibling rivalry every day, that persists for years. Being children, unless they have extremely wise parents this will be their reality, that they are locked into for years, of largely self caused misery.
...Likewise people get married and envision, a happy family, such as one sees in the color pictures, in ads, and as you pointed out, one form, of unpleasant misery that folks can lock them selves into, is a form of vengefulness, having to do with presumed economic status.
....As a result of this, and many other types suffering couples inflict on one another, the lawyers and therapists make a fine living.

as I posted in another thread:

Once intense intimacy begins,
our own unfinished business,
our own old emotional baggage,
and our own self deceptions,
as well as those of the other person may be exposed.

To navigate these mine fields,
in a way that works for both parties,
is NOT trivial.
Repressed stuff is repressed for good reasons.

Hence the divorce rate,
and the fact that the end of 'the honeymoon stage' of relationships,
often results in much heavy shit

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=stages+of+relationships&atb=v167-1&ia=web

the link would seem to show that what we call "a relationship" is actually a process, that shifts and changes.
As you may already know, language turns verbs into nouns, thru nominalization.
"Relating" becomes "relationship". A process gets turned into an object.
I think it's a fascinating process. Its also called reification.

The woman visualizes a beautiful wedding, & then turns it into a wedding album to put on display in the living room for guests. As if life could be turned into a stable object...and the guy goes along with it...after all he's going to get laid regularly now... or so he thinks...seems, like its all just multi level folly.

Yes I was married long ago,...and divorced....and had other "relationships"...long ago, and would never make the mistake of trying to hold myself up as any kind of good example.
I am certainly full of many follies, ... there is no need to attempt to add this particular vanity to the list.

So its not just a trick of language, as of course society uses language, society itself objectifies processes. Hence the phenomenon you have pointed out, equating a persons worth as a living human, with their so called 'economic status'.
This of course has all kinds of brutal results, at every level of society.

In the animal world, status is of course not based, on money or complex conceptual processes, but often on strength and fighting ability aka aggressiveness.

As shown in this book I am reading:
A Primate's Memoir: A Neuroscientist's Unconventional Life Among the Baboons
by Robert M. Sapolsky

I don't know what forms sexual relationships, and their dynamics, took on the Farm.
It might be interesting to find out.
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=the+farm+stephen+gaskin&atb=v167-1&ia=web

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Re: Who should be the head of a family? [Re: Tulipslave]
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Tulipslave said:
i'd say 50% or more of women could take me.


Seriously?!? And this doesn't bother you at all?

If I felt even that 50% of men could take me when the shit hit the fan, it would bother me, let alone women.

Not that I fight anymore, I'm sworn off it now, but damn, I wanna know I can hold my own when shit gets ugly and beyond my control. I don't know how I'd move about this world if I didn't have confidence in that.


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Let it be seen that you are nothing. And in knowing that you are nothing... there is nothing to lose, there is nothing to gain. What can happen to you? Something can happen to the body, but it will either heal or it won't. What's the big deal? Let life knock you to bits. Let life take you apart. Let life destroy you. It will only destroy what you are not.
--Jac O'keeffe

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Re: Who should be the head of a family? [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
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Jokeshopbeard said:
Tulipslave said:
i'd say 50% or more of women could take me.


Seriously?!? And this doesn't bother you at all?

If I felt even that 50% of men could take me when the shit hit the fan, it would bother me, let alone women.

Not that I fight anymore, I'm sworn off it now, but damn, I wanna know I can hold my own when shit gets ugly and beyond my control. I don't know how I'd move about this world if I didn't have confidence in that.




why would that bother me?  i've done everything in my power to gain weight.  it doesn't happen.  the job i work, i burn 4-5k calories per day (more when i work 10-12 hour days), and i bet if you put you and me on the slopes together, handling a 15-23lb saw all day, i would kick your ass because it's what my body is used to.  now, if we're talking lifting weights or wrestling, you'd win every day.


are you of the impression that most women are dainty little flowers?  the majority of women in this day and age either: 1) work out and stay super fit/strong and/or 2) have significantly more body mass than i do, coupled with a lower center of gravity.

we all have our strengths and weaknesses.  i'm not insecure in my weaknesses.  why are you in yours?

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Re: Who should be the head of a family? [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
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Jokeshopbeard said:
Tulipslave said:
i'd say 50% or more of women could take me.


Seriously?!? And this doesn't bother you at all?

If I felt even that 50% of men could take me when the shit hit the fan, it would bother me, let alone women.

Not that I fight anymore, I'm sworn off it now, but damn, I wanna know I can hold my own when shit gets ugly and beyond my control. I don't know how I'd move about this world if I didn't have confidence in that.


So apparently you have the fantasy that you will never grow old, get sick, or be in a situation where you are out numbered, or any number of other less than pleasant realities. And seem to believe physical strength is a key to navigating the world. Wow.

To me having such a belief is much more disempowering, than lacking great physical strength.

Many of the more impressive martial artists, on you tube point out that in real life it is always the best idea to avoid a fight whenever possible, regardless of how the ego feels about it.

Furthermore the legal consequences of injuring someone, in this day and age, ( even if 'justified') are often far worse than losing a fight. Years of prison in some cases in the USA.

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Re: Who should be the head of a family? [Re: Tulipslave]
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laughingdog said:
So apparently you have the fantasy that you will never grow old, get sick, or be in a situation where you are out numbered, or any number of other less than pleasant realities. And seem to believe physical strength is a key to navigating the world. Wow.


You mistake me. I know I will get old and sick. It is happening and I am at peace with it. It is the knowledge that I can hold my own amongst my peers that gives me strength. I'm not the toughest man in the world. That's OK.

BTW - that's a huge assumption you just made.

laughingdog said:
Many of the more impressive martial artists, on you tube point out that in real life it is always the best idea to avoid a fight whenever possible, regardless of how the ego feels about it.

Furthermore the legal consequences of injuring someone, in this day and age, ( even if 'justified') are often far worse than losing a fight. Years of prison in some cases in the USA.


As I said, I am sworn off fighting. I haven't fought since my early twenties. That was almost fifteen years ago. I have avoided multiple fights, although I have defended myself when words were no longer an option. It happens.


Tulipslave said:
are you of the impression that most women are dainty little flowers?  the majority of women in this day and age either: 1) work out and stay super fit/strong and/or 2) have significantly more body mass than i do, coupled with a lower center of gravity.?


I don't buy it man. That seems an easy excuse. I don't think your 50% of chicks could overpower me thing is accurate. You have testosterone.


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Let it be seen that you are nothing. And in knowing that you are nothing... there is nothing to lose, there is nothing to gain. What can happen to you? Something can happen to the body, but it will either heal or it won't. What's the big deal? Let life knock you to bits. Let life take you apart. Let life destroy you. It will only destroy what you are not.
--Jac O'keeffe

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Re: Who should be the head of a family? [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
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Jokeshopbeard said:
Tulipslave said:
are you of the impression that most women are dainty little flowers?  the majority of women in this day and age either: 1) work out and stay super fit/strong and/or 2) have significantly more body mass than i do, coupled with a lower center of gravity.?


I don't buy it man. That seems an easy excuse. I don't think your 50% of chicks could overpower me thing is accurate. You have testosterone.




you don't have to buy it; your choice.  i stand by my statement; i think you grossly underestimate women.

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Re: Who should be the head of a family? [Re: Tulipslave]
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"You mistake me. I know I will get old and sick. It is happening and I am at peace with it. It is the knowledge that I can hold my own amongst my peers that gives me strength. I'm not the toughest man in the world. That's OK. "

We are all different, had different experiences growing up, and live in different environments, so of course we may view somethings differently.

I would guess that even "holding  [ones] own amongst [one's] peers",
also eventually gets taken away, from everyone. Don't lots of old boxers become coaches? ... of those who could take them out with one punch?

And certainly humans find many different ways to both compete, and feel powerful. Silly me, I was just surprised, to find admiration of aggressive physicality, on a forum where many like to show off their mental cleverness. Silly me.

In my youth I studied very briefly with this guy
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=kumar+frantzis+tai+chi
Hsing-i Chuan in particular is designed to kill.
At 2:50 he puts fighting vs killing into perspective.



This guy however has a different view of what powers is:
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=wim+hof

Apparently as human time & energy are limited, and various practices may take one in opposite directions, many choose, to focus, on internal development, etc.

Hence I'm not surprised by Tulipslave's views.

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Re: Who should be the head of a family? [Re: XUL]
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XUL said:
JLP

"God over man, man over woman, woman over children."

I agree.


Kinda hard to find any wisdom in a statement that promotes the supremacy of a fictional character

Is JLP a type of bible or something?


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NotSheekle said
“if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”

Edited by koods (07/21/19 11:37 PM)

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Re: Who should be the head of a family? [Re: XUL]
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It very much depends on which parent is the most conscientious, industrious, and in control. This often is not the woman. Whether you think that has cultural implications, or is a case built by nature isn't important. It's not very relevant to my statement.

What's important is that children have a balanced dynamic between power and love in the home. That the heads are in sync. A family is a unit, and each person plays an important role in the home. Defining those roles are only the first step in raising competent, compassionate, honest, and powerful human beings.


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"Even a happy life cannot be without a measure of darkness, and the word ‘happy’ would lose its meaning if it were not balanced by sadness." - Carl Jung

Edited by broshammy (08/14/19 02:40 PM)

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Re: Who should be the head of a family? [Re: broshammy] * 1
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the boss is not always the one that appears to be the boss!
(So much seriousness in this thread)
for example these 2 old jokes sum it up nicely;

Secret of a Long Marriage

A married couple was celebrating their 60th wedding anniversary. At the party everybody wanted to know how they managed to stay married so long in this day and age.
The husband responded, "When we were first married we came to an agreement - I would make all the major decisions and my wife would make all the minor decisions.
And now, after 60 years of marriage, I can truthfully say that we have never needed to make a MAJOR decision."


The Secret Of A Contented Married Life

A man was telling one of his friends the secret of his contented married life: "My wife makes all the small decisions," he explained, "and I make all the big ones, so we never interfere in each other's business and never get annoyed with each other. We have no complaints and no arguments." 

"That sounds reasonable," answered his friend sympathetically. "And what sort of decisions does your wife make?" 

"Well," answered the man, "she decides what jobs I apply for, what sort of house we live in, what furniture we have, where we go for our holidays, and things like that." 

His friend was surprised. "Oh?" he said. "And what do you consider important decisions then?" 

"Well," answered the man, "I decide who should be Prime Minister, whether we should increase our help to poor countries, what we should do about the atom bomb, and things like that."

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Re: Who should be the head of a family? [Re: laughingdog]
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A wife told her husband to whisper her dirty things, the man then replied, "The kitchen, the living room, the conservatory and the dining room."

----
A newlywed couple moves into their new house.
One day the husband comes home from work and his wife says, "Honey, you know, in the upstairs bathroom one of the pipes is leaking, could you fix it?" The husband says, "What do I look like, Mr. Plumber?"
A few days go by, and he comes home from work and his wife says, "Honey, the car won't start. I think it needs a new battery. Could you change it for me?" He says: "What do I look like, Mr. Goodwrench?"
Another few days go by, and it's raining pretty hard. The wife finds a leak in the roof. She says, "Honey, there's a leak on the roof! Can you please fix it?" He says, "What do I look like, Bob Vila?"
The next day the husband comes home, and the roof is fixed. So is the plumbing. So is the car.
He asks his wife what happened. "Oh, I had a handyman come in and fix them," she says. "Great! How much is that going to cost me?" he snarls. Wife says: "Nothing. He said he'd do it for free if I either baked him a cake or slept with him." "Uh, well, what kind of cake did you make?" asks the husband. "What do I look like," she says, "Betty Crocker?"

Edited by laughingdog (08/14/19 03:45 PM)

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Re: Who should be the head of a family? [Re: XUL]
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XUL said:
JLP

"God over man, man over woman, woman over children."

I agree.



This is the usual religious bullshit.  Trust me, many of woman have kicked men out on the street on their ass.

Happy wife, happy life.  Obviously she runs the show.  You can run your biz, or she can run hers or you both do something together.

Trust me, woman run the show.  They just let men think they do and I have no idea why but it seems to be to make peace.


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"in sterquiliniis invenitur in stercore invenitur"

In filth it will be found in dung it will be found

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Re: Who should be the head of a family? [Re: Morel Guy]
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Xul would have done quite well in ninth century Persia.


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Vi Veri Universum Vivus Vici

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Re: Who should be the head of a family? [Re: DividedQuantum]
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Wasps are the arabs of America.


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"in sterquiliniis invenitur in stercore invenitur"

In filth it will be found in dung it will be found

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Re: Who should be the head of a family? [Re: DividedQuantum] * 1
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DividedQuantum said:
Xul would have done quite well in ninth century Persia.


Not quite, he is not filthy enough yet, but with a little effort, he could attain true Arab consciousness. You know like stoning women in public, beheading infidels, & posting it on the internet, and issuing fatwas on those they think blaspheme them. But I doubt he has the balls to become a suicide bomber.

this is kids' stuff:
"God over man, man over woman, woman over children."

for Arabs it goes like this:
a woman for sex,
a boy for pleasure,
and a goat for ecstasy.

Ah I feel so much better after posting hateful stuff, on a site dedicated to consciousness, and opening the heart, I'll show those New Age pansies!
But pardon me a moment while I go out back...
first I need a boy & then a goat, as women are shit.
and I will maintain this position for another 6 pages no matter what anyone says.
and then for another 6 pages, forever, as long as I can get a rise out of folks.

Anybody remember Thantos ?, he was another stuck record.

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Re: Who should be the head of a family? [Re: laughingdog]
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If Muslim conservatism takes over Europe and America, I will be the one with goat meat on the ready.

Did you know goat meat is the number one most eaten meat in the world? Also, in the US, there is a higher demand for goat meat than there is supply. This is due to the increase in ethnic groups.

Indeed, when I get my Kikos, I will market to Muslims.



LT and Ivi


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TRUMP 2020

Edited by XUL (08/16/19 02:49 PM)

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Re: Who should be the head of a family? [Re: XUL]
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Goats aren't worth much on the hoof.  It's a lot to buy kids, then raise kids and butcher them.  Sure, the meat cost a lot a pound, but it costs a lot to raise them.  Just not much money in legal farming.


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"in sterquiliniis invenitur in stercore invenitur"

In filth it will be found in dung it will be found

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Re: Who should be the head of a family? [Re: XUL]
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XUL said:
If Muslim conservatism takes over Europe and America, I will be the one with goat meat on the ready.

Did you know goat meat is the number one most eaten meat in the world? Also, in the US, there is a higher demand for goat meat than there is supply. This is due to the increase in ethnic groups.

Indeed, when I get my Kikos, I will market to Muslims.



LT and Ivi


I'm sure you're right that there is an increased demand for goat meat in this country, but the top four most consumed meats in the world are (ranked from first to last) pork, poultry, beef and mutton. Pork accounts for 36% of all meat consumed.


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"The Rolling Stones will break up over Brian Jones' dead body"    John Lennon

I don't want no commies in my car. No Christians either.

Simulacrum
The truth which conceals that there is none

Edited by Brian Jones (08/17/19 05:47 AM)

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Re: Who should be the head of a family? [Re: Brian Jones]
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He meant that goat is the most widely used red meat, which it is.  It is also the most healthy red meat.  Pork is a white meat and only the loin is very healthy.  Poultry is also not red meat.


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"in sterquiliniis invenitur in stercore invenitur"

In filth it will be found in dung it will be found

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Re: Who should be the head of a family? [Re: Morel Guy]
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Beef is far ahead of goat. Beef is red meat. Mutton is ahead of goat. I don't know what mutton is classified as.


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"The Rolling Stones will break up over Brian Jones' dead body"    John Lennon

I don't want no commies in my car. No Christians either.

Simulacrum
The truth which conceals that there is none

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