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OfflineJCoke
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adopted children equal to biological children? * 1
    #4447418 - 07/24/05 06:24 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

with the overwhelming population growth, and condems/birth control pills, abortions and gay sex not making even a slight dent to this on coming disaster (a slooow-motion trainwreck if you will), i can't help but pose a question on what fellow shroomery s&p'ers think on adobted VS. biological kids.. :grin: :thumbup:

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the way I see it, it is illogical to continue breeding in this time in are history, you want kids? than adopt! you wanna fuck? than fuck all you want! just for the love of life and all humanity and the earths future, STOP BREEDING!!

is there really something wrong with these orphans? are they right when than wonder and cry at the thought of why there parents left them? is there really something wrong with them? is it impossible to love an adopted son or daughter as much as a biological son or daughter? most people would say "no, it's not impossible", than whats the fucking benefit of having your children be from your seed?

I see it as more loving, meaningful, compassionate (and even go so far as to say "christ-like") to become the parent of kids WHO NEED A FAMILY, rather than make kids of your own, and let the poor, unfortunate, needy little bastards go to fight life alone or if there lucky enough, be gambled away to a family who already shares my point of view.

any thoughts? am I missing something to this picture?

thanks, peace.. :grin: :thumbup:

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Re: adopted children equal to biological children? [Re: JCoke]
    #4448495 - 07/24/05 11:11 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

I would agree. I've already made a promise to myself never bring children into this world, because of over-population. So if I ever have the urge to raise a kid I would adopt.

Think about it this way: adopting is more of a challenge. I think it would take more effort to understand a child who doesn't share your genes, then to raise another version of yourself.


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Re: adopted children equal to biological children? [Re: moog]
    #4448584 - 07/24/05 11:29 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

I would very much be for adopting a child. I am also for opting myself out of the gene pool - vision problems. I don't like the idea of consistently adding layers and layers of artifice to make up for genetic flaws in people. It's going to dilude the overall genepool with growing flaws.

Unless these problems can be fixed on a genetic level, I don't want to breed. For the good of the race! heh. Yeah, that was my altruism shot of the day. Doesn't happen very often.

Also, i'm an idiot.

edit- I went a bit off topic there, sorry. To me, a child in my care is as good as mine by genetics. It's the consciousness that matters to me, not the dna.


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Edited by AvatarofAtavism (07/24/05 11:35 PM)


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Re: adopted children equal to biological children? [Re: AvatarofAtavism]
    #4448609 - 07/24/05 11:33 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Also, i'm an idiot.
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That doesn't seem to deter anyone else. :grin:


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Re: adopted children equal to biological children? [Re: Icelander]
    #4449032 - 07/25/05 01:36 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

thank you all.


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Re: adopted children equal to biological children? [Re: BleaK]
    #4449334 - 07/25/05 03:19 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

my sister is adopted. i consider the same as a biological sister, i love her just as much
because of this, i never really think about the life she would have had otherwise... i mean, i wouldnt know her, she would just be another random person to me. yet because she's adopted i love her equally as any other member of my family.
that really makes me think of that idea, 'we're all family' on this earth
and cliche it may be but it rings true for me


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Re: adopted children equal to biological children? [Re: crunchytoast]
    #4449529 - 07/25/05 04:57 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

'we're all family' on this earth
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Re: adopted children equal to biological children? [Re: Icelander]
    #4449541 - 07/25/05 05:11 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

"I've been around the world and seen that only stupid people are breeding..."  :smirk:


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Re: adopted children equal to biological children? [Re: Drink_Punk_Soda]
    #4449868 - 07/25/05 11:29 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

on a related note..

http://www.vhemt.org/

you guys might dig this,,,or atleast get a laugh from it.. :grin:


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Re: adopted children equal to biological children? [Re: JCoke]
    #9817955 - 02/18/09 02:27 AM (8 years, 9 days ago)

ur arguement makes complete sense...it is more caring and good and w/e to adopt and there nothing wrong with adopted kids...

but its definately different to have a kid than to go grab one at the local orphanage


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Re: adopted children equal to biological children? [Re: teeter]
    #9818084 - 02/18/09 03:23 AM (8 years, 9 days ago)

Alright! Let's all (males only of course) go get vasectomies!


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Re: adopted children equal to biological children? [Re: JCoke]
    #9818668 - 02/18/09 09:47 AM (8 years, 9 days ago)

But I won't be biologically fulfilled without creating my own. :shrug: There's a reason it's not that easy, we want our own, not someone else's.


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Re: adopted children equal to biological children? [Re: Bernackums]
    #9818679 - 02/18/09 09:53 AM (8 years, 9 days ago)

studies have shown adopted kids are worth 0.83% of biological kids
however if you're infertile or old the value of an adopted child goes up to and can exceed 1.27% of a biological child


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Re: adopted children equal to biological children? [Re: Icelander]
    #9818685 - 02/18/09 09:55 AM (8 years, 9 days ago)

Quote:

Icelander said:
Also, i'm an idiot.
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so are most people

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Icelander said:
That doesn't seem to deter anyone else. :grin:




right, look at all the amazing feats idiots can accomplish


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Re: adopted children equal to biological children? [Re: Bernackums]
    #9818688 - 02/18/09 09:57 AM (8 years, 9 days ago)

Quote:

Bernackums said:
But I won't be biologically fulfilled without creating my own. :shrug: There's a reason it's not that easy, we want our own, not someone else's.




donate sperm, don't get kids


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Re: adopted children equal to biological children? [Re: Lakefingers]
    #9818755 - 02/18/09 10:26 AM (8 years, 9 days ago)

...but I won't be biologically fulfilled without creating and raising my own.


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Re: adopted children equal to biological children? [Re: JCoke]
    #9818851 - 02/18/09 10:56 AM (8 years, 9 days ago)

STOP BREEDING!!

Right, but you know of course that no one is listening.

Part of the folly of youth is the belief that humanity is going to change it's spots anytime soon.


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Re: adopted children equal to biological children? [Re: JCoke]
    #9822583 - 02/18/09 11:14 PM (8 years, 9 days ago)

Quote:

JCoke said:
with the overwhelming population growth, and condems/birth control pills, abortions and gay sex not making even a slight dent to this on coming disaster (a slooow-motion trainwreck if you will), i can't help but pose a question on what fellow shroomery s&p'ers think on adobted VS. biological kids.. :grin: :thumbup:

:flowerchild: :hippie: :woot: :sun: :tripping: :jester: :tripping: :sun: :woot: :flowerchild: :hippie:

the way I see it, it is illogical to continue breeding in this time in are history, you want kids? than adopt! you wanna fuck? than fuck all you want! just for the love of life and all humanity and the earths future, STOP BREEDING!!

is there really something wrong with these orphans? are they right when than wonder and cry at the thought of why there parents left them? is there really something wrong with them? is it impossible to love an adopted son or daughter as much as a biological son or daughter? most people would say "no, it's not impossible", than whats the fucking benefit of having your children be from your seed?

I see it as more loving, meaningful, compassionate (and even go so far as to say "christ-like") to become the parent of kids WHO NEED A FAMILY, rather than make kids of your own, and let the poor, unfortunate, needy little bastards go to fight life alone or if there lucky enough, be gambled away to a family who already shares my point of view.

any thoughts? am I missing something to this picture?

thanks, peace.. :grin: :thumbup:

:mushroom2:




My genes are sublime, so I'm going to find a female who's genes are also sublime so we can create a sublime child together. :meff:


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It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.


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Re: adopted children equal to biological children? [Re: Lakefingers]
    #9822591 - 02/18/09 11:16 PM (8 years, 9 days ago)

Quote:

Lakefingers said:
Quote:

Bernackums said:
But I won't be biologically fulfilled without creating my own. :shrug: There's a reason it's not that easy, we want our own, not someone else's.




donate sperm, don't get kids




How would that in any way help with "overpopulation"?


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fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.


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Re: adopted children equal to biological children? [Re: Poid]
    #9822926 - 02/19/09 12:00 AM (8 years, 9 days ago)

some people think this is a sick idea but I think that we should be more open to aborting children. The choice to raise a child should be totally willful. Everyone should have the option of aborting their child (at their own health risk).

on a vague evolutionary note, I dont think loving, caring people should give up their own seed in place for a child that has come from parents who we incapable of raising a child.

I just think we should opt for abortion of children rather than hold on to their lives. Once the child is born, of course, this is another issue, but I cant see any reason someone would want to have a child and leave it to the whims of the world, when they could just abort.

I think abortions are cheaper than the baby-bonuses given to poor mothers, too.

the world would be a better place if we valued life more realistically, instead of ideologically


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