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Re: Blue Pearls Explorer's Thread - Panaeolus Cinctulus Sclerotia - Blue Truffles [Re: 1WithU]
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Thank you 1WithU

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Re: Blue Pearls Explorer's Thread - Panaeolus Cinctulus Sclerotia - Blue Truffles [Re: 3RR0R 4O4] * 1
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Here's some photo's of the wild sclerotia I found today. They are concentrated directly on the pine shavings. I was able to easily pull a small pile together.



Edited by Subfinder (08/12/19 07:22 PM)

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Re: Blue Pearls Explorer's Thread - Panaeolus Cinctulus Sclerotia - Blue Truffles [Re: Subfinder]
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:justcantwait::manofapproval::freshwtf:


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Re: Blue Pearls Explorer's Thread - Panaeolus Cinctulus Sclerotia - Blue Truffles [Re: MacMerdin]
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great work, subfinder, that's rad.


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Re: Blue Pearls Explorer's Thread - Panaeolus Cinctulus Sclerotia - Blue Truffles [Re: Subfinder]
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Subfinder said:
Here's some photo's of the wild sclerotia I found today. They are concentrated directly on the pine shavings. I was able to easily pull a small pile together.






Subfinder, what an outstanding post! Thank you for sharing these pics. I have scoured the internet for cintulus stone information, and I believe you have made a cool and significant contribution to the online knowledge base of this species with your pics, among other things.  How cool to see them "in-the-wild".

Considering ya pulled them from dung I won't ask you to eat some, but looks like you've gathered enough to dose. 

COOL IDEA
I wonder... sometimes people who are looking for cints for starting their own blue pearls jars go looking for mushrooms but there are none popped up due to environmental conditions.  But couldn't one simply poke around a horse dung pile ANYTIME seeking sapphires?  A single blue pearl could be cloned.

ANOTHER THOUGHT
Pine shavings huh? You mean they grew clustered to them.  As in, worth adding wood to our jars to see if they grow around them more than randomly in substrate?


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Re: Blue Pearls Explorer's Thread - Panaeolus Cinctulus Sclerotia - Blue Truffles [Re: 1WithU] * 1
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Ah, I'm glad the site is back up.  I kinda missed you guys, and I have a LOT of news to share:

The unidentified, dehydrated mushroom from the horse farm took to culture like a duck to water, but didn't form blue stones.  Very wispy, and aggressive mycelium formed, and it eventually created small white stones.  I've thrown that stuff outside to see if it fruits for ID.  (if it's not a stone former, it's probably not a good candidate for this experiment, so I didn't want to waste a lot of time on indoor culture).

My Warren plates contaminated with green mold - I think I may have messed up my sterile technique in the SAB.  Despite that, I still got blue stones off the plates.  Not sure how much I have, but I salvaged the stones before tossing the plates.  Stones are drying right now

And finally, the big news.  A wild Cintulus FOUND ME.

About a week and a half ago, I found wild cintulus in my compost pile.  They followed in a progression of mushrooms:  Parasol sp. first, a coprinus species next (I suspect c. atramentaria, but didn't run a full ID), and then finally, the Pan. Cintulus showed up.  It was larger and slightly different than the Pan. Foescnii I'd been finding for weeks before.  It was a 100% ID as cintulus, including as the final step a 1.1g cracker-dry bio assay which came back positive.  That was a great afternoon.  I'd been planning to spend that evening indoors gaming, and after launching the bio-assay, I inexplicably decided to hang out in the back yard, throw some headphones on, do some writing and stare up at the sky, instead.  Had low to no nausea, and experience was a fun blend of awe and contentment.

So, for my first experience with an active species beyond a microdose, it was a heck of a good time.  (I like this species.  Even more so, given that it found me!)


I got five good prints off those wild cints, and I have a straggler that I harvested today printing now (no idea if this one will work, looks a little beat up). 

So today I cleaned up the SAB, got rid of contaminated plates, and I'm getting ready to launch again with my local species and attempt 2 at the Warrens. 

Haven't given the new variety a name just yet.  Still thinking about it. :smile: What kind of name really captures the complete serendipity of having a mushroom I've hunted for months show up on my doorstep?!  :eek:

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Re: Blue Pearls Explorer's Thread - Panaeolus Cinctulus Sclerotia - Blue Truffles [Re: Eigholte]
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Eigholt, first of all I noticed that the stones first start off white then turn blue as they mature.  Hold on to that original plate for a while longer if you haven't yet tossed it.

Wow dude! How exciting! And how special that it "found you"!  Seems that Cinctulus wants to be with you.  Splendid you got such a wonderful first time more than microdose and had such a lovely experience with them.  Also you are working two strains! Please keep us posted with any differences you notice between your yet-to-be-named strain vs Warrens.  Wishing you much success raising blue pearls and fruits!... and enjoy 'em!


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Re: Blue Pearls Explorer's Thread - Panaeolus Cinctulus Sclerotia - Blue Truffles [Re: 1WithU]
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@ MacMerdin @ Asura @ enyone with pan cyan experience.

I am getting into pans now, but am still new to this species, cint and cyan, so am asking you guys for your opinions.  It's a two-part question...

Part 1. So, having tried multiple pan cyan varieties, besides physical appearance differences, are the effects of pan cyans pretty much the same across varieties?  Is it worth growing different kinds (such as Jamaican, Hawaiian, Thai, etc) for different experiences consuming them, or would it be like "once you've tried one, you've tried them all" kinda thing?  Are there noticeable differences between the strains to make it worth growing more than one kind?  FWIW there seems to be two camps on the "a cube is a cube" debate, and before I posted a similar question about pan cyans but didn't get a satisfying answer.

Part 2.  Seems that cincts haven't been cultivated much, likely due to the apparent blue "funky contams" that develop.  If cincts pearls and fruits are good (I've never tried them to know) then this thread might precipitate more interest in cultivation of it. So now I wonder for Part 2 question, following the logic of part 1, is a cinct a Cinct, or is it worth collecting a few varieties, such as "Warren's" "SaraLoves" and "Eigholt".  Subfinder did state a while back that he considers his Warrens the best he ever found in many years of finding, in terms of fruit size and potency.  I guess that implies that there could be variations between strains.

A third part, no longer aimed at anyone in particular, would be to put forth the idea that strains could be isolated with particular desirable characteristics.  One obvious project would be to clone largest stones and fruiting them to select for large stone traits.  If the pearls turn out to be yummy then that might be worthwhile working towards then sharing spores in the community to spread such genetics.

Interested to hear thoughts about the above topics.  Thanks in advance to anyone who replies.

Part


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Explore the transformative benefits of microdosing.
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Re: Blue Pearls Explorer's Thread - Panaeolus Cinctulus Sclerotia - Blue Truffles [Re: MacMerdin]
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So I swabbed my Pan. Cinct print and smeared 3 sections crossing eachother. I will take more pics in a few days when things change


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Edited by PyroMancer (08/12/19 10:59 PM)

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Re: Blue Pearls Explorer's Thread - Panaeolus Cinctulus Sclerotia - Blue Truffles [Re: 1WithU]
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Good morning  cinct buddies :aweohyou:
Loving this thread, everyone is posting so much cool stuff, its really interesting and I'm glad to be a part of it.


1WithU said:
Eigholt, first of all I noticed that the stones first start off white then turn blue as they mature. 




1withU I'm kinda relieved to see this. I was going through my stack of cinct plates and came across this one. I thought it had gone south but after reading your post I'm hoping these will turn blue in a wee while (I'll update either way).





I also have this plate which I'm going to use to inoculate some grains today. I'm just going to use the section in the centre around the transfer out as far as the blobs. I was also really interested in macs post with the brown rice, so I'm blatantly going to copy and I have BR sterilizing as I type. :rockon:


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Edited by Bumholio (08/13/19 12:10 AM)

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Re: Blue Pearls Explorer's Thread - Panaeolus Cinctulus Sclerotia - Blue Truffles [Re: Eigholte]
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Eigholte said:
Ah, I'm glad the site is back up.  I kinda missed you guys, and I have a LOT of news to share:

The unidentified, dehydrated mushroom from the horse farm took to culture like a duck to water, but didn't form blue stones.  Very wispy, and aggressive mycelium formed, and it eventually created small white stones.  I've thrown that stuff outside to see if it fruits for ID.  (if it's not a stone former, it's probably not a good candidate for this experiment, so I didn't want to waste a lot of time on indoor culture).

My Warren plates contaminated with green mold - I think I may have messed up my sterile technique in the SAB.  Despite that, I still got blue stones off the plates.  Not sure how much I have, but I salvaged the stones before tossing the plates.  Stones are drying right now

And finally, the big news.  A wild Cintulus FOUND ME.

About a week and a half ago, I found wild cintulus in my compost pile.  They followed in a progression of mushrooms:  Parasol sp. first, a coprinus species next (I suspect c. atramentaria, but didn't run a full ID), and then finally, the Pan. Cintulus showed up.  It was larger and slightly different than the Pan. Foescnii I'd been finding for weeks before.  It was a 100% ID as cintulus, including as the final step a 1.1g cracker-dry bio assay which came back positive.  That was a great afternoon.  I'd been planning to spend that evening indoors gaming, and after launching the bio-assay, I inexplicably decided to hang out in the back yard, throw some headphones on, do some writing and stare up at the sky, instead.  Had low to no nausea, and experience was a fun blend of awe and contentment.

So, for my first experience with an active species beyond a microdose, it was a heck of a good time.  (I like this species.  Even more so, given that it found me!)


I got five good prints off those wild cints, and I have a straggler that I harvested today printing now (no idea if this one will work, looks a little beat up). 

So today I cleaned up the SAB, got rid of contaminated plates, and I'm getting ready to launch again with my local species and attempt 2 at the Warrens. 

Haven't given the new variety a name just yet.  Still thinking about it. :smile: What kind of name really captures the complete serendipity of having a mushroom I've hunted for months show up on my doorstep?!  :eek:



You could name it "little bird" as in the bob Marley song "three little birds".
Awesome find brother


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Re: Blue Pearls Explorer's Thread - Panaeolus Cinctulus Sclerotia - Blue Truffles [Re: KapnDank]
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Yes, stones are white when I first find them. They turn blue when handled or disturbed. The photo of the blue mycillium at the base of the mushroom was taken after it had sat there for a minute or two. The stones and mycillium turned from white to blue.

I've been saying it all along. Pine shavings. Read my old posts in this thread.

Also, the mushroom hunting community doesn't seem to find this as exciting as we do apparently. Posted a thread over there. No interest.

If it was as easy as poking around a pile for sclerotia, I doubt I'd be the first person to find these rare gems in the wild. But don't let that stop you from trying.

I've noticed that the sclerotia doesn't start forming until mid-summer when the temps go up and things sort of dry out. The fruits start coming up very sparsely, but generally larger than the spring fruit.

Something I've noticed for a long time is that once stones start appearing, the fruits get WAY more potent...I mean like 3 or 4 times as potent.

I took about a gram of late summer cinctulus last fall and had kind of an unpleasant trip. Was more intense than I had expected, and made me very uncomfortable. Lasted a solid six hours.

Something to note: when there is blue at the base of the stem, there are sclerotia present.

Also, what happened to all the prints I sent out? There are about 90 prints in circulation, all a result of this thread. Where's the pics and write ups of the results?

I think there are a whole lot of people who want something for nothing, and are not interested in putting any work in. That being said, I will not be handing out these prints for "free" anymore. I will need to be thoroughly convinced that the person will be actively participating in this thread before I send another print to anyone.

For those of you who are posting, keep up the good work. I appreciate what you are doing to advance our understanding of this interesting species! Thanks!!


Edited by Subfinder (08/13/19 04:53 AM)

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Re: Blue Pearls Explorer's Thread - Panaeolus Cinctulus Sclerotia - Blue Truffles [Re: 1WithU]
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1WithU said:
@ MacMerdin @ Asura @ enyone with pan cyan experience.

I am getting into pans now, but am still new to this species, cint and cyan, so am asking you guys for your opinions.  It's a two-part question...

Part 1. So, having tried multiple pan cyan varieties, besides physical appearance differences, are the effects of pan cyans pretty much the same across varieties?  Is it worth growing different kinds (such as Jamaican, Hawaiian, Thai, etc) for different experiences consuming them, or would it be like "once you've tried one, you've tried them all" kinda thing?  Are there noticeable differences between the strains to make it worth growing more than one kind?  FWIW there seems to be two camps on the "a cube is a cube" debate, and before I posted a similar question about pan cyans but didn't get a satisfying answer.

Part 2.  Seems that cincts haven't been cultivated much, likely due to the apparent blue "funky contams" that develop.  If cincts pearls and fruits are good (I've never tried them to know) then this thread might precipitate more interest in cultivation of it. So now I wonder for Part 2 question, following the logic of part 1, is a cinct a Cinct, or is it worth collecting a few varieties, such as "Warren's" "SaraLoves" and "Eigholt".  Subfinder did state a while back that he considers his Warrens the best he ever found in many years of finding, in terms of fruit size and potency.  I guess that implies that there could be variations between strains.

A third part, no longer aimed at anyone in particular, would be to put forth the idea that strains could be isolated with particular desirable characteristics.  One obvious project would be to clone largest stones and fruiting them to select for large stone traits.  If the pearls turn out to be yummy then that might be worthwhile working towards then sharing spores in the community to spread such genetics.

Interested to hear thoughts about the above topics.  Thanks in advance to anyone who replies.

Part




I've only taken 2 cyan variations.  Pretty much the same.
Also I found not much difference between cyan, trop and cambos.

If you want to get into pans. I suggest bisporus.

As far as the cinct question, it's hard to say since Alan thinks there are multiple species being called cinctulus.


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Edited by MacMerdin (08/13/19 05:17 AM)

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Re: Blue Pearls Explorer's Thread - Panaeolus Cinctulus Sclerotia - Blue Truffles [Re: 1WithU]
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1WithU said:
Subfinder said:
Here's some photo's of the wild sclerotia I found today. They are concentrated directly on the pine shavings. I was able to easily pull a small pile together.






Subfinder, what an outstanding post! Thank you for sharing these pics. I have scoured the internet for cintulus stone information, and I believe you have made a cool and significant contribution to the online knowledge base of this species with your pics, among other things.  How cool to see them "in-the-wild".

Considering ya pulled them from dung I won't ask you to eat some, but looks like you've gathered enough to dose. 

COOL IDEA
I wonder... sometimes people who are looking for cints for starting their own blue pearls jars go looking for mushrooms but there are none popped up due to environmental conditions.  But couldn't one simply poke around a horse dung pile ANYTIME seeking sapphires?  A single blue pearl could be cloned.

ANOTHER THOUGHT
Pine shavings huh? You mean they grew clustered to them.  As in, worth adding wood to our jars to see if they grow around them more than randomly in substrate?




If you are uncomfortable eating something that grew in horse shit, maybe cinctulus isn't for you. Lol
Considering cinctulus only grows in horse shit as far as I can tell.

Those weak actives found in grass are not cinctulus. If nothing else I hope this is the takeaway from this thread and all my background work.

Been trying to convince people to stop looking for cincts in yards...complete waste of time.

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Re: Blue Pearls Explorer's Thread - Panaeolus Cinctulus Sclerotia - Blue Truffles [Re: Subfinder]
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They can be present, however, if the lawn was previously fertilized with manure. In fact they can be present for over 2 years after the manure treatment ceased.

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Re: Blue Pearls Explorer's Thread - Panaeolus Cinctulus Sclerotia - Blue Truffles [Re: Adas]
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I'd like to see confirmation of this with dna sequencing. Any work you can cite?

This is a field I'm very interested in. I've been studying cinctulus for about 20 years, but until recently I have only had my own field work to go by outside of some outdated books and what not.

I'm not disputing your claim that cincts can grow in lawns as much as looking for some documentation. I've learned that just because it's an active pan that looks like cinctulus, doesn't mean it's the real deal.

It would make sense that they could grow in fertilized yards, just haven't seen it happen. In fact, they don't seem to grow in the grassy areas adjacent to my manure piles that recieve runoff from the piles. I'd think that would be heavily fertilized.

Thanks for your thoughts.

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Re: Blue Pearls Explorer's Thread - Panaeolus Cinctulus Sclerotia - Blue Truffles [Re: Subfinder]
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We had a new lawn carpets laid in 2016. Then they started popping out. Never seen them before. The 2016 season was extremely prolific due to the lawns being fresh + shittons of rain. The couple last specimens were found in 2018, and since then it went extinct from the lawn entirely.

I have taken a couple prints, and grew some out on grains, and every time it produced the blue pearls. I have never seen Cinctulus in the wild, ever.

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Re: Blue Pearls Explorer's Thread - Panaeolus Cinctulus Sclerotia - Blue Truffles [Re: Adas] * 1
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That's awesome. I'd have to think that the fact they grew sclerotia would confirm they were likely cinctulus. Did you give 'em a test ride? Comparable to cubensis?

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Re: Blue Pearls Explorer's Thread - Panaeolus Cinctulus Sclerotia - Blue Truffles [Re: Subfinder]
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Little update:

The jars I made with LC from a few days ago are starting to colonize but it's kinda hard to see yet atm as is the bag of sterilized Pan substrate that was also inoculated with LC.



My Warren plates are all unusable, except one T2 plate that hasn't contamed. Had much more luck Josex poking from back when the plates looked clean. Maybe I'll go for a few T3 plates but I'd like to see what comes out of my current efforts first and see if there is anything (fruits and/or stones) worth cloning and then work with that.

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Re: Blue Pearls Explorer's Thread - Panaeolus Cinctulus Sclerotia - Blue Truffles [Re: Subfinder]
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What I ate was probably a mixed batch, although I believe it was mostly cincts. Ate 4g, was dissatisfied, ate another 6. Not comparable to cubes in ANY aspect at all. Very nauseating, rough effects, super visual, not so much mental but after that dose my mind was raped, and hard. Lesson learned for sure.

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