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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: koods] * 2
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koods said:
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He jokes the opposite of what koods said - that the assault weapons were actually filled with food.


People starving is great joke material


That's not what he was joking about.  He was joking about people who think we are helping Venezuelans by sending Juan Guaidó assault weapons.

koods said:
What do you mean “capture resources?” Are you implying that the US intends to seize Venezuelans oil fields?


Yes.  Bolton clearly said we want their oil.

https://twitter.com/GrayzoneProject/status/1090382364646260736

koods said:
Im clearly intelligent. That’s how I know that you aren’t gonna be able to smuggle weapons in an aid shipment that will be distributed by the Venezuelan government.


The weapons weren't for the Government.  And I guess you missed an earlier post showing that weapons were indeed smuggled.  So maybe you're not so intelligent after all.  In fact, you've been wrong about a whole lot of things lately.  :shrug:


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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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There was some gold in the drama as well.  Assets seized.  It's common when they start to torture people.


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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: ballsalsa]
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ballsalsa said:
his mom was a diplomat or worked for the state dept or some such, i think.
I don't know who the bad guys are in venezuela, but I know that protesters where trying to fend off security forces with shit bombs in widespread riots in the recent past.  My gut instinct is to back the rioters in almost any clash with authority, but I'll admit that the massive unrest could be a ruse put on by a vocal minority of capitalist sympathizers.


She was Public Health Service, which is a uniformed service and those flights were space available, which is a program that allows any active duty service-member and their family to travel on military flights if there are empty seats, for free.


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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
koods said:
Quote:
He jokes the opposite of what koods said - that the assault weapons were actually filled with food.


People starving is great joke material


That's not what he was joking about.  He was joking about people who think we are helping Venezuelans by sending Juan Guaidó assault weapons.

koods said:
What do you mean “capture resources?” Are you implying that the US intends to seize Venezuelans oil fields?


Yes.  Bolton clearly said we want their oil.

https://twitter.com/GrayzoneProject/status/1090382364646260736

koods said:
Im clearly intelligent. That’s how I know that you aren’t gonna be able to smuggle weapons in an aid shipment that will be distributed by the Venezuelan government.


The weapons weren't for the Government.  And I guess you missed an earlier post showing that weapons were indeed smuggled.  So maybe you're not so intelligent after all.  In fact, you've been wrong about a whole lot of things lately.  :shrug:


No shit weapons smuggled in wouldn’t be for the government. That’s why putting weapons in aid shipments that will be distributed by the government (maduro) makes no sense. Think about it. It’s not that hard.

Yeah Bolton is an imperialist. That doesn’t mean the uprising against maduro isn’t legitimate.


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NotSheekle said
“if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”

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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
there's still plenty of food.






I guess they all just decided to diet the weight off. Gotta admire that commitment.

Someone needs to show wikipedia this video so they can see that the Maduro Diet isn't real.

Their children didn't really starve in the hospital, that was just imperialist propaganda.


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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: vault123]
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whats the point of that Greyzone video? In the end he has to pay in dollars. Is he a propagandist or just so fucking stupid he doesn’t understand that most people can’t shop in that store because they don’t have dollars?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/world/in-socialist-venezuela-the-us-dollar-becomes-king/2018/08/01/7af16482-9442-11e8-818b-e9b7348cd87d_story.html

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As hyperinflation spirals toward 1 million percent, Venezuelans are confronting a deepening crisis that is pulverizing their incomes and spreading hunger. Increasingly, the line between survival and starvation is determined not by having a job or an education, but something else.

Access to U.S. dollars.

Long decried as a symbol of imperialism by President Nicolás Maduro, the American greenback is now king in a country broken by mismanagement, corruption and years of failed socialist policies. The dollar’s importance has soared as the local currency, the bolívar, has become nearly worthless.

This week, for instance, the price of a dozen eggs topped 2.6 million bolívares — equal to two weeks’ pay at the minimum wage. But for a Venezuelan who can exchange dollars at the black market rate, those same eggs are a relative bargain, costing only 60 cents.

Venezuelans are increasingly being separated into two classes: those who have dollars and those who do not.





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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
And I guess you missed an earlier post showing that weapons were indeed smuggled.


It is possible that weapons are being smuggled in. That's what happened during the tet offensive in Vietnam.

In general I am very distrustful of the MSM, but it is possible to find accurate information in there. I hate the NY Times, wikipedia is hit or miss, and Reuters generally does a pretty good job, but they are all in agreement here.

In Journalism school they teach to provide at least three separate sources on any given claim before running with it, and these three should work well enough.

This guy addresses the conflicting reports and he even says "it's difficult to know what's really happening because there is so much propaganda going around." In the end the MSM doesn't ALWAYS get it wrong.



I'm just curious. Have any of you actually spoken with anyone who was from Venezuela or had family who currently lived there? This part is anecdotal, but I have and it was an awful story. Family members killed in protests. Lack of basic goods, birth control specifically was mentioned. The worst part is no one wanted to hear about it. She said every time she tried to bring it up in America, no one wanted to listen or hear about it. It was a very sad story. I'm sure that was just imperialist propaganda as well.


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Judge Aaron Satie

Edited by vault123 (02/24/19 08:25 AM)

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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: koods] * 2
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koods said:
Yeah Bolton is an imperialist. That doesn’t mean the uprising against maduro isn’t legitimate.


I never said the uprising wasn't legitimate, I said Guaidó declaring himself ruler of Venezuela and recognition by the US wasn't legitimate.  :flowstone:

koods said:
whats the point of that Greyzone video? In the end he has to pay in dollars. Is he a propagandist or just so fucking stupid he doesn’t understand that most people can’t shop in that store because they don’t have dollars?


The point of the video is to show there is plenty of food available in Venezuela.  He had to pay in dollars because US credit cards don't work in Venezuela and that's all he had; not because the store only accepts dollars (he was clearly reading prices in Bolivar).  Are you being ignorant or dishonest? 

koods said:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/world/in-socialist-venezuela-the-us-dollar-becomes-king/2018/08/01/7af16482-9442-11e8-818b-e9b7348cd87d_story.html


Of course foreign currency is valuable in a country with high inflation.


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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: vault123] * 2
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vault123 said:


I guess they all just decided to diet the weight off. Gotta admire that commitment.

Someone needs to show wikipedia this video so they can see that the Maduro Diet isn't real.


No one said things are good in Venezuela.  American sanctions and oil price rigging hit Venezuela hard.

Not sure who coined the term "The Maduro Diet", but they could just as well call it "The Trump Diet".


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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 2
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Rhetoric for action.
I think the USA needs to seriously reconsider Venezuela....we could wipe them like the boardgame,Risk..... yet it's about twice the size of Iraq. Don't China and Russia have some big relationship with them, as well.? Huge potential for a bad fuck up.



https://www.yahoo.com/news/venezuela-apos-aid-burns-maduro-003701774.html

Just hours after attempts to deliver humanitarian aid to Venezuela failed, the country’s opposition and U.S. allies suggested a more forceful multilateral move against Nicolas Maduro’s autocratic regime.

Juan Guaido, the president of Venezuela’s National Assembly, said that he’ll meet Monday with officials from countries in the region backing his push to topple Maduro and announce the next steps afterward. While he didn’t specify what those steps could be, he did say in a series of tweets that “all options” are being considered.

Shortly thereafter, Senator Marco Rubio.......


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Fear is the mind-killer.
Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.”

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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: SirTripAlot] * 1
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SirTripAlot said:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/venezuela-apos-aid-burns-maduro-003701774.html

Just hours after attempts to deliver humanitarian aid to Venezuela failed, the country’s opposition and U.S. allies suggested a more forceful multilateral move against Nicolas Maduro’s autocratic regime.

Juan Guaido, the president of Venezuela’s National Assembly, said that he’ll meet Monday with officials from countries in the region backing his push to topple Maduro and announce the next steps afterward. While he didn’t specify what those steps could be, he did say in a series of tweets that “all options” are being considered.

Shortly thereafter, Senator Marco Rubio.......


No coup here...


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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: Bigbadwooof] * 1
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from the images I've seen it looks like the aid trucks were set on fire from the colombian side but I've already heard plenty of people fall for it. "Oh Maduro is burning aid, he hates his own people that much" lol



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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: Tipote] * 1
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https://grayzoneproject.com/2019/02/24/burning-aid-colombia-venezuela-bridge/


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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: Tipote] * 1
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lol what coup? What implicit threats of violence?



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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: Tipote] * 5
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In a stunning turn of events, foreign installed right wing autocrat will open Venezuela’s oil up to foreign companies.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/juan-guaido-will-open-up-oil-deals-to-foreign-private-companies-a8763821.html


Viva la democracy


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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: The Ecstatic] * 1
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The Ecstatic said:
In a stunning turn of events, foreign installed right wing autocrat will open Venezuela’s oil up to foreign companies.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/juan-guaido-will-open-up-oil-deals-to-foreign-private-companies-a8763821.html


Viva la democracy


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Amid an escalating row between countries who support Mr Maduro and those who oppose him, Donald Trump over the weekend raised the prospect of sending US troops to the South American country. Russia soon responded, warning against “destructive meddling” by the international community.


Another battlefront in the proxy war between the US and Russia? Good thing we have a reasonable, sober minded leader, to guide us through such a dangerous situation.


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"It is no measure of good health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society," - Jiddu Krishnamurti
FARTS
"No my dog won't bite you, tho it had the right to. You ought to give him credit, cuz he knows I woulda let him" - Modest Mouse (And Wooof!)
Every one of you should see this video.


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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: Bigbadwooof] * 1
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Interesting conversation on this topic.



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"It is no measure of good health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society," - Jiddu Krishnamurti
FARTS
"No my dog won't bite you, tho it had the right to. You ought to give him credit, cuz he knows I woulda let him" - Modest Mouse (And Wooof!)
Every one of you should see this video.


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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: The Ecstatic] * 3
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The Ecstatic said:
In a stunning turn of events, foreign installed right wing autocrat will open Venezuela’s oil up to foreign companies.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/juan-guaido-will-open-up-oil-deals-to-foreign-private-companies-a8763821.html


Viva la democracy


This is a repeat of almost all our foreign involvements in the last 100 years. It was always get their resources or anti-communism or both. That seems to be the script here. The only time we deviated from that script was lately when Muslim extremism substituted for communism. That had some legitimacy because Muslims (from Saudi Arabia) actually did attack us. Communists never did.


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I don't want no commies in my car. No Christians either.

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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: Brian Jones] * 1
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lol


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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: The Ecstatic] * 1
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Only 49.9% to go!


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