LiquidLight said:

I'm not here to pressure anyone into speaking about anything that they don't feel like,

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Don't worry, you couldn't if you tried.  But there's always a certain element of skepticism that arises in posts like yours because of implied bias (correct or not).  As in nobody has a corner on any of this, no offense intended.

It's a sort of "ownership" aspect.  You can't own mushroom spirits, you can't even be a caretaker.  They don't need that and I've never seen them respect that.  They're more like Coyote the trickster, in that they'll feed you stories just to see if you believe them.  You can only earn their trust over time - but my god, once you do...

Age has nothing to do with the timeless realms - it's where the spirits dwell after all - but I just wanted to point out that I've been at it a while and sometimes know what I'm talking about.  

The ramifications are part of the process, i.e. your unintended consequences - but when you get into deep aspects online people immediately misunderstand because literally they do not understand.  Which is why I'm cautious about discussing some aspects.  People just aren't ready for it I've found and because it challenges everything they think they've learned they actively reject it sometimes.

But if you're interested in deeper background you could check out my journals, I've documented some of it there.

I'll post more later when I have more time. 

PrimalSoup said:

LiquidLight said:

I'm not here to pressure anyone into speaking about anything that they don't feel like,

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Don't worry, you couldn't if you tried.  But there's always a certain element of skepticism that arises in posts like yours because of implied bias (correct or not).  As in nobody has a corner on any of this, no offense intended.

It's a sort of "ownership" aspect.  You can't own mushroom spirits, you can't even be a caretaker.  They don't need that and I've never seen them respect that.  They're more like Coyote the trickster, in that they'll feed you stories just to see if you believe them.  You can only earn their trust over time - but my god, once you do...

Age has nothing to do with the timeless realms - it's where the spirits dwell after all - but I just wanted to point out that I've been at it a while and sometimes know what I'm talking about.  

The ramifications are part of the process, i.e. your unintended consequences - but when you get into deep aspects online people immediately misunderstand because literally they do not understand.  Which is why I'm cautious about discussing some aspects.  People just aren't ready for it I've found and because it challenges everything they think they've learned they actively reject it sometimes.

But if you're interested in deeper background you could check out my journals, I've documented some of it there.

I'll post more later when I have more time. 

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Cool man. Yeah no offense taken.
Im not implying that nobody has a corner in this, Im actually acknowledging that there are probably others who are working in their own way, and this is an attempt to connect with them. I am also acknowledging that we have no elders and no real lineage for the mushrooms that grow here in North America, but I am contemplating the roots of such a thing, however far off it may be, I am opening a discussion. If people meet and become friends and develop ceremony or ritual together, and it truly takes hold, and they happen to teach their kids how to cultivate and connect and preserve and evolve their practice with this fungus, then they pass it down and so on and so forth, we may be looking at something very profound 100, 500  years from now. Something that we are lacking here in our country for many reasons. This has happened in other countries and cultures all over the world but never here.

I am not coming from a place of wanting to own anything. The name of this thread is 'cultivating authentic relationship' this has nothing to do with ownership and everything to do with respect, trust, and a mutual symbiosis. We help spread mushrooms, we help hold space for them to work in a clean container,  they help us heal, which then helps them again and really the whole world, one heart at a time, because a clean heart means harmony, true harmony with the earth equals the benefit of all plants animals and people.  I am familiar with the tests of spirit, although through the process of diets, commitments, and finely attuning ourselves, we can begin to gain that trust over time. I hold a very fine study of mediumship and connecting with spirits (both higher and lower) I have dedicated my very short life so far to all aspects of spirit communication both through plants and through trance, and by no means am I under the false impression that anyone can own anything. That is not what it's about, it's about individual sovereignty for all parties, working together towards one goal, which I believe is the health and unity of all beings.

And as far as the ramifications of people not being ready to read something they stumble across, I am not God, (as an individual) and I do not decide these things, I do not get to say who is ready for what. I trust life, and if someone comes across something deeply disturbing to their tightly held beliefs and they reject it, maybe they actually were ready, and that it was exactly what was meant to happen.. so I will not let that stop me from discussing openly what is on my heart and in my mind. I will not stay hidden due to risk of offending or confusing someone, because I have faith in  life and in the spiritual guides of all people. I known I've  learned things that I rejected at some point in the past only to come to an understanding years after, and I am deeply grateful for those experiences, even the lesson learned in rejecting something that became useful to me later.

I really appreciate your input my friend. I understand your caution as these are serious matters, but these are serious times. I am truly enjoying this discussion and I fully honor your perspective. Looking forward to reading more of your thoughts on this.
Will definitely be checking out your journal!

twigglez said:

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    cleansing themselves to become clearer channels of healing?

Definitely, this is very important, and I would recommend anyone interested in trying entheogens do this first! The most natural and gentle method is a gallon a day of steam distilled, carbon filtered PURE H20, stored in glass. This is the most important investment you will ever make in yourself.

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LiquidLight said:

twigglez said:

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    LiquidLight said:
    cleansing themselves to become clearer channels of healing?

Definitely, this is very important, and I would recommend anyone interested in trying entheogens do this first! The most natural and gentle method is a gallon a day of steam distilled, carbon filtered PURE H20, stored in glass. This is the most important investment you will ever make in yourself.

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Hey twigglez, shamanic ayurveda sounds like a very interesting practice. What type of diet would you recommend someone if they wanted to highly sensitize themselves to the more subtle energies of the mushrooms?

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LiquidLight said:

Anyone receive any music, songs, rhythms, icaros during their experiences?

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LiquidLight said:

Primal Soup, Would love to hear them sometime.. is there a way to post audio files? I would totally upload some of my guitar and vocals received during mushroom experiences. haha Yeah i know! i cant even tell you how many times i've thought to myself "if i could only record what i'm hearing in my head right now..." Wow! healing modalities?? sounds amazing, what does that look like? I am technically a certified reiki practitioner, but i've slowly moved away from reiki and more into intuitive work. I've also learned some shamanic clearing techniques in the jungle ie. "soplos" blowing air and tobacco smoke through certain parts of the body. i find both of these techniques very effective with the mushrooms.. I also study Umbanda, so i incorporate spirits through mediumship sometimes.. sometimes with the mushrooms i am moved by different beings who seem to have forces that i just don't. after we sync up and i receive them into my body, it feels as though my body is being moved, and like something else is looking through my eyes.. they direct me to click snap whistle clap and blow to clear energies from myself and others, the power of sound vibration is astonishing!

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Hey they were all recorded on an old modded cassette deck that didn't run at normal speed and finally died.  I have a newer deck I bought used to convert them and I could bring them up to digital, been planning to, and pitch correct.  Some cool shit on there though, the expansiveness of the trip leads to some amazing results - some of them I've played quite a lot during later trips.  I'll see what I can do. 

Healing modalities, well, mostly I've mostly worked with spirit intervention, mostly for others but once in a while for myself.  Ritual objects (river stones) can be charged to carry vibrational energy to recipients (as in, say, "difficult" people to relate too).  The results from the spiritual transmission were easily noticeable in the (AKA) real world by coworkers (in that case their family members).  Interesting for sure.

I've found that casting stones and crystals for prophecy works, but I've also received accurate precognitive visions.  Which brings me to:

Much of the work I've been doing relates to establishing quantum superposition states between future events and present timeline branches - this allows (I hope) a situation that's either predicting random events in the future, or influencing past events from the future, depending on your point of view.  Since superposition states are both nonlocal and noncasual it doesn't violate quantum theory - just hasn't been applied.  I'm working on applying it.  A 40 bit number, known in advance, can fully specify the outcome of any Powerball drawing.  You might see the possibilities here.