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Re: Sanders 2020 [Re: The Ecstatic]
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I was a Democrat, but turned republican.


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Re: Sanders 2020 [Re: XUL]
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:orly:

Why


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Re: Sanders 2020 [Re: The Ecstatic]
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Many reasons.

But a lot of it had to do with how hard the Dems and their party started going left.

People like Obama still talked about deportations and borders, which made him palatable.

But then things changed. When Trump was elected there was no going back for me. The Dems went bat shit crazy and showed their true colors.

Now Beto wants to tear down the existing. Wall, they want to take our cars and air travel, They want to give the government more power, Hilary calls Americans deplorable,  they define privilege by skin color, men are now toxic, they think always believing the woman is logical, and  the left can't stop calling everyone and everything racist

It's a party of intersectionality that ranks your worth based on how "oppressed" you. The victimhood culture is not appealing to me.


Tl;Dr?

They don't connect with anything I believe in anymore.


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Edited by XUL (02/17/19 11:25 AM)

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Re: Sanders 2020 [Re: XUL] * 5
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so just the typical boilerplate nonsense.

I used to be a liberal until they started doing liberal things and that really made me mad so now I’m part of the far right.


Just more of this bs narrative about how democrats went crazy by not catering explicitly to white nationalists, and how they need to get more racist in order to win.

Everyone over the age of 20 will famously remember how Obama galvanized the country and got elected with a supermajority by *checks notes* appealing to Republicans.



Let me be as clear as I can:  Democrats are moving left ONLY BECAUSE the electorate is moving left.  Even then they are doing a shit job. That’s why the GOP blocks bills on campaign finance reform, they cut taxes on the rich to ensure campaign funding, gerrymander districts, purge voters, etc. Their ideas don’t win on merit anymore so they need to ignore them and instead scare people like you into thinking that Mexicans will come kill them if they don’t vote GOP. Or that Democrats will ban cars. And even then they still lose the popular vote by millions lol, to historically terrible candidates like Hillary. I won’t even get into the stolen SCOTUS seat now occupied by a perjuring rapist.

Conservatism lost in the marketplace of ideas. It clings on purely due to support from the corporate agenda, voter suppression, and fearmongering.


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Re: Sanders 2020 [Re: The Ecstatic] * 2
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Bernie in talks with Brooklyn College (his alma mater) for a “big, outdoor event,” bolstering speculation he will soon announce his candidacy for president.

https://nypost.com/2019/02/17/bernie-sanders-might-launch-presidential-bid-at-brooklyn-college/


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The Ecstatic said:
Conservatism lost in the marketplace of ideas. It clings on purely due to support from the corporate agenda, voter suppression, and fearmongering.


Yeah, a lot of Republicans don't even realize that a Republican hasn't won the most votes for president since... Reagan?

Republicans win by electoral vote, and gerrymandering. People are getting wise to that fact though. I'm really hoping the country turns its focus to the electoral college in the coming years.

The Democratic party voting process is also highly rigged. Super Tuesday, super delegates, and now, they can simply denounce a candidate unfavorable to the elite as 'not a democrat'.

The corrupt elite in this country are terrified of the left. We are the only real threat to power. We are the only means by which workers will ever be empowered.


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Re: Sanders 2020 [Re: Bigbadwooof] * 2
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W got the popular vote in his re-election against Kerry I believe (but he had to steal the office from Gore via SCOTUS in the first place).


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Re: Sanders 2020 [Re: The Ecstatic] * 2
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The Ecstatic said:
Depends on what identity politics we’re talking about.

“Build the wall”
“Black lives matter”

Both identity politics.

Doing the dab on Ellen and carrying hot sauce? Idpol.

Pretending to be an evangelical Christian and bemoaning abortion rights? Idpol.


If people are turned off by Bernie advocating rights for trans people and minorities they can just ignore that (like they do with the glaring issues surrounding every other candidate) and focus on the things they like about him instead.


I think we should focus on class over race, as it IS more unifying. But ignoring what the right calls “identity politics” (acknowledging problems that don’t apply to straight white Christian men) is a slap in the face to those groups. And for what? The off chance that some republicans will suddenly vote democrat? Nah. Like I said, Bernie doesn’t need those people’s votes to win.

And just to round out this point, this idea that qman (and the beltway pundits) push about how Democrats need to move right in order to win is absolute horseshit, and only serves the interests of the ruling class.

40% of voting age citizens don’t vote. Bernie’s message is engaging those people. Why should we ignore nearly half the country in order to appeal to Republicans, who, and lets be absolutely clear, ARE GOING TO VOTE REPUBLICAN.



Yes. What constitutes identity politics is in the eye of the beholder. Same as everything else. Who's a snowflake? Whoever I oppose. What's fake news? Whatever news the other side believes.

    I believe we are post-truth, which has always been a central tenet of postmodernism.


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Re: Sanders 2020 [Re: The Ecstatic]
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The Ecstatic said:
Depends on what identity politics we’re talking about.

“Build the wall”
“Black lives matter”

Both identity politics.

Doing the dab on Ellen and carrying hot sauce? Idpol.

Pretending to be an evangelical Christian and bemoaning abortion rights? Idpol.


If people are turned off by Bernie advocating rights for trans people and minorities they can just ignore that (like they do with the glaring issues surrounding every other candidate) and focus on the things they like about him instead.


I think we should focus on class over race, as it IS more unifying. But ignoring what the right calls “identity politics” (acknowledging problems that don’t apply to straight white Christian men) is a slap in the face to those groups. And for what? The off chance that some republicans will suddenly vote democrat? Nah. Like I said, Bernie doesn’t need those people’s votes to win.

And just to round out this point, this idea that qman (and the beltway pundits) push about how Democrats need to move right in order to win is absolute horseshit, and only serves the interests of the ruling class.

40% of voting age citizens don’t vote. Bernie’s message is engaging those people. Why should we ignore nearly half the country in order to appeal to Republicans, who, and lets be absolutely clear, ARE GOING TO VOTE REPUBLICAN.


https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/17/us/politics/bernie-sanders-black-voters-outreach.html

Bernie might need some middle and conservative whites because he doesn't do well with blacks. I guess they don't want an old white dude in the White House.

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Re: Sanders 2020 [Re: qman] * 3
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How many of these unfounded tropes are you gonna hop to?

Bernie has the highest favorability among nonwhites than any 2020 candidate:

CNN poll

Article


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Re: Sanders 2020 [Re: The Ecstatic] * 1
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The Ecstatic said:
How many of these unfounded tropes are you gonna hop to?

Bernie has the highest favorability among nonwhites than any 2020 candidate:

CNN poll

Article


Oooooh shit!

:justcantwait:


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"It is no measure of good health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society," - Jiddu Krishnamurti
FARTS
"No my dog won't bite you, tho it had the right to. You ought to give him credit, cuz he knows I woulda let him" - Modest Mouse (And Wooof!)
Every one of you should see this video.
"Facts are chiels that winna ding, and downa be disputed" - Robert Burns


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Re: Sanders 2020 [Re: Bigbadwooof]
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Bigbadwooof said:
The Ecstatic said:
How many of these unfounded tropes are you gonna hop to?

Bernie has the highest favorability among nonwhites than any 2020 candidate:

CNN poll

Article


Oooooh shit!

:justcantwait:


Hmm, what's Bernie's support by the black demographic?  :popcorn:

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Re: Sanders 2020 [Re: qman] * 4
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70%


What’s next?


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qman said:
Bigbadwooof said:
The Ecstatic said:
How many of these unfounded tropes are you gonna hop to?

Bernie has the highest favorability among nonwhites than any 2020 candidate:

CNN poll

Article


Oooooh shit!

:justcantwait:


Hmm, what's Bernie's support by the black demographic?  :popcorn:


Let's just say, Bernie's my nigga.


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"It is no measure of good health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society," - Jiddu Krishnamurti
FARTS
"No my dog won't bite you, tho it had the right to. You ought to give him credit, cuz he knows I woulda let him" - Modest Mouse (And Wooof!)
Every one of you should see this video.
"Facts are chiels that winna ding, and downa be disputed" - Robert Burns


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Re: Sanders 2020 [Re: The Ecstatic] * 1
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Just more of this bs narrative about how democrats went crazy by not catering explicitly to white nationalists, and how they need to get more racist in order to win.


You asked me why I changed from the Democrat to republican and then started ranting about how racist and dumb conservatives are.

You are a prime example of why I left the Democrats.

The Dems are obsessed with calling people racists. It's especially gross because they call entire swaths of people racist without knowing who they even are.

I won't be a part of that nonsense.


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Re: Sanders 2020 [Re: XUL] * 2
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I wanted to give you the opportunity to have an original thought (because let’s be honest, you were never a liberal). Alas, it’s nothing we haven’t heard a million times from pundits on the right.


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Re: Sanders 2020 [Re: XUL]
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XUL said:
The Dems are obsessed with calling people racists.


Says the guy who denies whites are treated any better, on average, than others, even after being shown studies that show it.

Edited by Falcon91Wolvrn03 (02/18/19 01:53 PM)

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Re: Sanders 2020 [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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You only have the illusion that your vote matters. Everything is controlled and we're fu-d no matter what.

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Re: Sanders 2020 [Re: Shenmue]
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Hillary losing seems to show that's not correct.


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Re: Sanders 2020 [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 5
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Well, as of like 8am it's official. The Bern is in the race.


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