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#19137958 - 11/14/13 07:47 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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If you like your seat, you can't keep it. Unfortunately for you, you put your John Hancock on that Turd called the ACA that Obama floated out of the sewers of DC.
So wear the ACA like a badge of honor, your days are numbered.
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Re: Notice To Incumbent Democrats Up For Reelection In 2014: [Re: starfire_xes]
#19137987 - 11/14/13 07:52 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Wow. So brave of you to say such a thing. Did you read this on redstate.com? Or maybe your local right-wing hate blog?
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starfire_xes said: If you like your seat, you can't keep it. Unfortunately for you, you put your John Hancock on that Turd called the ACA that Obama floated out of the sewers of DC.
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Re: Notice To Incumbent Democrats Up For Reelection In 2014: [Re: starfire_xes]
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No, no new content?
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#19138030 - 11/14/13 07:59 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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It amazed me so much when I came here that a drug forum would be so dominated by right wing lunatics.
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Re: Notice To Incumbent Democrats Up For Reelection In 2014: [Re: sytar] 2
#19138040 - 11/14/13 08:01 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Im a libertarian. Learn the difference between the two.
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Re: Notice To Incumbent Democrats Up For Reelection In 2014: [Re: sytar]
#19138069 - 11/14/13 08:05 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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sytar said: It amazed me so much when I came here that a drug forum would be so dominated by right wing lunatics.
No, once you venture outside the poorly moderated Political Discussion, you'll find many more who share similar views. We've got two conservative/libertarian mods who mod this forum, so they let people like starfire, zappa, therian, and every other brainwashed right wing fanatic post with immunity.
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Re: Notice To Incumbent Democrats Up For Reelection In 2014: [Re: starfire_xes]
#19138138 - 11/14/13 08:19 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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starfire_xes said: Im a libertarian. Learn the difference between the two.
You're more what I call a conservatarian, the worst of the right wing loons, those trapped in that area between Beck and Jones - the vulgarist of what Kevin Carson named the "vulgar libertarians." Actual libertarians like Roderick Long actually know how to make a wink of sense. But, typical of those bandwagoning with libertarians, you think nobody else knows about your little club. Tough, I've read Mises, Hayek, Rothbard. Nozick, Bohm-Bawerk, Jevons, Menger, etc. So you're not exactly on a home-field advantage like you assume.
As I said, right wing loons.
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Re: Notice To Incumbent Democrats Up For Reelection In 2014: [Re: sytar] 2
#19138147 - 11/14/13 08:21 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Call me what you want. that doesn't change the fact that Obama is an incompetent dick sucker and that the democrats shit themselves when they 'passed the bill before they knew what was in it....'
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Re: Notice To Incumbent Democrats Up For Reelection In 2014: [Re: starfire_xes]
#19138163 - 11/14/13 08:25 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Find me years where premiums didn't increase, polices weren't cancelled, benefits didn't change, and you might have an argument. Yeah, Obama claimed if you liked your insurance you could keep it, but plenty of people like their insurance and weren't allowed to keep it before the PPACA was enacted, so why are the cancelled polices such a big deal?
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Re: Notice To Incumbent Democrats Up For Reelection In 2014: [Re: Mush4Brains] 1
#19138451 - 11/14/13 09:18 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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directly due to the ACA millions of people are loosing their coverage. Your augment makes no sense. If there was a spree of rapes where millions of people were raped in a year in the United States you wouldn't just say "well people were raped last year so i don't know what the big deal about these new ones is"
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Re: Notice To Incumbent Democrats Up For Reelection In 2014: [Re: psyconaught]
#19138503 - 11/14/13 09:27 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Show me that there are more cancellations this year due to the PPACA than in years previous because insurance companies are worried more about their profit, and not their customers.
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Re: Notice To Incumbent Democrats Up For Reelection In 2014: [Re: Mush4Brains] 1
#19138549 - 11/14/13 09:34 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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i'll say it again. Millions of people have had their policies canceled directly because they do not meet the ACA requirements. Any normal yearly cancelations are simply added on top of this.
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Re: Notice To Incumbent Democrats Up For Reelection In 2014: [Re: psyconaught]
#19138553 - 11/14/13 09:35 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Let me ask again, how many millions of people had their policies cancelled in years previous? Until you can prove that the cancelled policies this year significantly outnumber the policies cancelled last year, you don't have an argument.
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Re: Notice To Incumbent Democrats Up For Reelection In 2014: [Re: Mush4Brains] 1
#19138660 - 11/14/13 09:54 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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it doesn't matter how many were cancelled last year because the ACA cancelations are simply added on top of normal cancelations.
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Re: Notice To Incumbent Democrats Up For Reelection In 2014: [Re: psyconaught]
#19138673 - 11/14/13 09:57 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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You still haven't provided any proof.
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Re: Notice To Incumbent Democrats Up For Reelection In 2014: [Re: Mush4Brains] 1
#19138704 - 11/14/13 10:04 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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proof that people are loosing their healthcare due to the ACA? Are you fucking kidding me?
http://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2013/11/12/calif-insurance-commissioner-more-than-1m-californians-having-insurance-cancelled-due-to-obamacare/
more than one million people in california alone are losing coverage.
Kaiser is dropping roughly 60% of its private plans. Are you really delusional enough to think that every year insurers drop 60% of their private plans?
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Re: Notice To Incumbent Democrats Up For Reelection In 2014: [Re: psyconaught]
#19138712 - 11/14/13 10:06 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Do you have any statistics to show that there is a significant increase in cancelled polices?
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Re: Notice To Incumbent Democrats Up For Reelection In 2014: [Re: Mush4Brains] 1
#19138716 - 11/14/13 10:08 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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IT DOESNT MATTER HOW MANY WERE CANCELED LAST YEAR. Any amount of plans canceled by the ACA is simply added on top of the 'normal' amount of canceled plans
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Re: Notice To Incumbent Democrats Up For Reelection In 2014: [Re: psyconaught]
#19138735 - 11/14/13 10:13 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I just want a little bit of solid evidence before I believe such a claim. Are you saying you don't have any?
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Re: Notice To Incumbent Democrats Up For Reelection In 2014: [Re: Mush4Brains]
#19138756 - 11/14/13 10:16 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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let me get this straight... Your don't believe that any plans have been canceled directly because of the ACA
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Re: Notice To Incumbent Democrats Up For Reelection In 2014: [Re: psyconaught]
#19138772 - 11/14/13 10:21 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Did I say that? Because as far as I know, I didn't say that.
I'm simply looking for some evidence that significantly more policies were cancelled this year compared to previous year. Can you find that info for me?
Not only that, but how many quality plans had been cancelled due to the PPACA? Can you find any numbers on that, too? Please?
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Re: Notice To Incumbent Democrats Up For Reelection In 2014: [Re: Mush4Brains]
#19138806 - 11/14/13 10:29 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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"quality" is subjective. So depending on who you ask all plans that have been canceled have been quality.
Im sure there are internal numbers about how many people lose coverage every year. But do this many people freak out every year? No, the fact is that millions of plans have been canceled directly because they do not meet ACA requirements. I'm not sure what about that is so hard to understand.
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Re: Notice To Incumbent Democrats Up For Reelection In 2014: [Re: psyconaught]
#19138812 - 11/14/13 10:31 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'm not sure why it is so difficult to produce some evidence from something so "obvious."
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#19138830 - 11/14/13 10:33 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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i've already given evidence. Its fact that more than one million people in california are losing coverage because the ACA forced insurance companies to drop the plans
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Re: Notice To Incumbent Democrats Up For Reelection In 2014: [Re: psyconaught]
#19138857 - 11/14/13 10:43 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Where is the evidence that the number of dropped plans is significantly higher than previous years?
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Re: Notice To Incumbent Democrats Up For Reelection In 2014: [Re: psyconaught]
#19139833 - 11/15/13 07:08 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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psyconaught said: IT DOESNT MATTER HOW MANY WERE CANCELED LAST YEAR. Any amount of plans canceled by the ACA is simply added on top of the 'normal' amount of canceled plans
This is a stunning example of typical right wing ignorance. ACA makes it impossible for insurance companies to cancel policies anymore. There are no more lifetime caps, no more cancelling coverage because you missed a payment then got a preexisting condition, etc..
This year, and this year only, some will lose their junk insurance because those policies no longer comply with federal law. Instead they can get a better policy through an exchange or their insurance company has to upgrade their plan for free.
If you actually took a few minutes to understand the law before completely embarrassing yourself you might understand those simple facts.
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First of all i'm not right wing. Second "junk" and "better" are subjective. I know plenty of people who have plans they were very happy with that they are losing. More people have lost insurance than have got insurance through the ACA
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Re: Notice To Incumbent Democrats Up For Reelection In 2014: [Re: sytar] 1
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sytar said: It amazed me so much when I came here that a drug forum would be so dominated by right wing lunatics.
It is hardly dominated by conservatives. Why would you expect it be crawling with intellectually bereft lefty moonbats? As a wise sage once said, "there is no evidence that mushrooms make you stupid."
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#19141922 - 11/15/13 05:55 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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psyconaught said: IT DOESNT MATTER HOW MANY WERE CANCELED LAST YEAR. Any amount of plans canceled by the ACA is simply added on top of the 'normal' amount of canceled plans
This is a stunning example of typical right wing ignorance. ACA makes it impossible for insurance companies to cancel policies anymore. There are no more lifetime caps, no more cancelling coverage because you missed a payment then got a preexisting condition, etc..
This year, and this year only, some will lose their junk insurance because those policies no longer comply with federal law. Instead they can get a better policy through an exchange or their insurance company has to upgrade their plan for free.
My junk plan? The one that got cancelled that I paid 2,400 a month for? The one that allowed me to use out of network doctors who got reimbursed the same as in network doctors? Not for nothing, pal, but I'm not interested in MedicAid quacks if I need a doctor. The only annual deductible I had was for major medical and that was low. I bought that plan with eyes wide open and it suited what my wife and I wanted. Poof. Gone.Quote:
If you actually took a few minutes to understand the law before completely embarrassing yourself you might understand those simple facts.
If the people who voted for the bill and signed the bill had read the bill they should be arrested for stupidity. For you to lie and besmirch the people bitching about this as ignorant, especially in light of the fact that they are not, like you, on Mommy's plan, is laughable. I know full well what the ramifications are. I've been fucked already. Do you know what the ramifications are? Do you not realize what demographic is going to get utterly fucked by this? Healthy males between the ages of 20 and 50 who aren't welfare cases. Completely and utterly bent over and fucked in the ass with extra sand in their Astroglide.
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Re: Notice To Incumbent Democrats Up For Reelection In 2014: [Re: zappaisgod]
#19142509 - 11/15/13 08:07 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Just as a matter of fact, left wingers are smarter than right wingers, both in terms of fluid and crystallized intelligence (the latter twice the former ). Although, there is no intellectual difference between libertarians and liberals. However, the political beliefs of center left liberals display the highest level of integrated complexity. It isn't all good for liberals though. Conservatives really do work harder than liberals and liberal truly are comparatively lazy, despite being clearly smarter than conservatives. The twist? Libertarians are even lazier than liberals. Who saw that coming? Maybe that explains the strangely high incidence of internet libertarianism.
Results taken from Haidt's study on libertarian psychology (available on PLoSOne), the Cambridge Handbook of Personality Psychology, and Altemeyer's studies on authoritarianism. I expect you all will accept the results that are flattering an discard the ones that aren't.
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sytar said: Just as a matter of fact, left wingers are smarter than right wingers, both in terms of fluid and crystallized intelligence (the latter twice the former ). Although, there is no intellectual difference between libertarians and liberals. However, the political beliefs of center left liberals display the highest level of integrated complexity. It isn't all good for liberals though. Conservatives really do work harder than liberals and liberal truly are comparatively lazy, despite being clearly smarter than conservatives. The twist? Libertarians are even lazier than liberals. Who saw that coming? Maybe that explains the strangely high incidence of internet libertarianism.
Results taken from Haidt's study on libertarian psychology (available on PLoSOne), the Cambridge Handbook of Personality Psychology, and Altemeyer's studies on authoritarianism. I expect you all will accept the results that are flattering an discard the ones that aren't.
I think liberals in all 57 states are well aware of those facts.
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Re: Notice To Incumbent Democrats Up For Reelection In 2014: [Re: starfire_xes]
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Nobody ever makes stupid mistakes
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Re: Notice To Incumbent Democrats Up For Reelection In 2014: [Re: Mush4Brains]
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Re: Notice To Incumbent Democrats Up For Reelection In 2014: [Re: zappaisgod]
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psyconaught said: IT DOESNT MATTER HOW MANY WERE CANCELED LAST YEAR. Any amount of plans canceled by the ACA is simply added on top of the 'normal' amount of canceled plans
This is a stunning example of typical right wing ignorance. ACA makes it impossible for insurance companies to cancel policies anymore. There are no more lifetime caps, no more cancelling coverage because you missed a payment then got a preexisting condition, etc..
This year, and this year only, some will lose their junk insurance because those policies no longer comply with federal law. Instead they can get a better policy through an exchange or their insurance company has to upgrade their plan for free.
My junk plan? The one that got cancelled that I paid 2,400 a month for? The one that allowed me to use out of network doctors who got reimbursed the same as in network doctors? Not for nothing, pal, but I'm not interested in MedicAid quacks if I need a doctor. The only annual deductible I had was for major medical and that was low. I bought that plan with eyes wide open and it suited what my wife and I wanted. Poof. Gone.
You paid 2400 a month with eyes wide open... Sorry to burst your bubble, but you got WAXED!!!
Let me guess, your insurance salesman told you that Obamacare was going to put you on a death panel and the doctor was most likely going to be a liberal! Man I remember my days as an insurance salesmen, going after guppies like you was my favorite.
What is your income, age, zip code. I can find you a better policy for half of that. The exchanges cap premiums based on your income. Have you even signed up to explore your options? Why not?
Anyway, I see you ignored the portion of my post that proves people will no longer be losing their coverage after this year. Why does that irk people like you? Do you realize that healthcare in this country is twice as expensive as the next MOST expensive country. Twice. Do we get better results, are we living twice as long..? Stop being a hater.
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Re: Notice To Incumbent Democrats Up For Reelection In 2014: [Re: Rufarian]
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psyconaught said: IT DOESNT MATTER HOW MANY WERE CANCELED LAST YEAR. Any amount of plans canceled by the ACA is simply added on top of the 'normal' amount of canceled plans
This is a stunning example of typical right wing ignorance. ACA makes it impossible for insurance companies to cancel policies anymore. There are no more lifetime caps, no more cancelling coverage because you missed a payment then got a preexisting condition, etc..
This year, and this year only, some will lose their junk insurance because those policies no longer comply with federal law. Instead they can get a better policy through an exchange or their insurance company has to upgrade their plan for free.
My junk plan? The one that got cancelled that I paid 2,400 a month for? The one that allowed me to use out of network doctors who got reimbursed the same as in network doctors? Not for nothing, pal, but I'm not interested in MedicAid quacks if I need a doctor. The only annual deductible I had was for major medical and that was low. I bought that plan with eyes wide open and it suited what my wife and I wanted. Poof. Gone.
You paid 2400 a month with eyes wide open... Sorry to burst your bubble, but you got WAXED!!!
No I didn't and it isn't any of your business.Quote:
Let me guess, your insurance salesman told you that Obamacare was going to put you on a death panel and the doctor was most likely going to be a liberal! Man I remember my days as an insurance salesmen, going after guppies like you was my favorite.
I didn't have an insurance salesman.Quote:
What is your income, age, zip code. I can find you a better policy for half of that. The exchanges cap premiums based on your income. Have you even signed up to explore your options? Why not?
56, 62 and 23. 10538. Around $500K combined. Quote:
Anyway, I see you ignored the portion of my post that proves people will no longer be losing their coverage after this year. Why does that irk people like you? Do you realize that healthcare in this country is twice as expensive as the next MOST expensive country. Twice. Do we get better results, are we living twice as long..? Stop being a hater.
My coverage is gone. And I would have had an almost 50% of being dead from the cancers I had in GB while in the US I had a plus 90% survival rate from both. Not each, both.
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Re: Notice To Incumbent Democrats Up For Reelection In 2014: [Re: starfire_xes]
#19145406 - 11/16/13 01:48 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Too many people in this thread complaining about losing sub par insurance.
The obvious solution is to go to universal healthcare. The ACA is a conservative idea. Anyone thinking otherwise lives in a bubble. Is it perfect? Of course not? Is it better than the previous status quo? Yes
If the only time you can go to a doctor is for an ER visit you're not going to be healthy, and you're going to be a bigger burden on the state in the long run. I know it's hard for people to grasp, but unless we start turning away sick people without money or insurance, we are all buying healthcare together. The free market approach makes no sense in a society where if some one is shot they get treatment, period.
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Re: Notice To Incumbent Democrats Up For Reelection In 2014: [Re: Juicin]
#19145450 - 11/16/13 01:57 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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My insurance was not sub par and I don't want to be stuck with your medicaid quacks.
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Re: Notice To Incumbent Democrats Up For Reelection In 2014: [Re: zappaisgod]
#19145465 - 11/16/13 02:00 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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So why do you not support a two-tier system then?
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Re: Notice To Incumbent Democrats Up For Reelection In 2014: [Re: zappaisgod]
#19145478 - 11/16/13 02:03 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: My insurance was not sub par and I don't want to be stuck with your medicaid quacks.
I wasn't referring to you... I don't know you personal situation. But there are certain thresholds of coverage that your plan must meet. If they don't find a new plan that your doctor accepts.
Now for people willing to take the risk with no coverage. They still have the option of ER care, and thus need to be payed for. Irrelevant of if they want to or not. We are all buying healthcare together already, this is a move in the right direction.
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Re: Notice To Incumbent Democrats Up For Reelection In 2014: [Re: Mush4Brains]
#19145497 - 11/16/13 02:07 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Isn't that what we already had? Bums got shitty doctors and other people got better doctors.
Here is what I object to. Only doctors in network get paid. Only hospitals in network get paid. Mental health coverage. Rehab coverage. Maternity coverage. Lactation counseling coverage. Regular checkup coverage. There's more but that's a good start
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Re: Notice To Incumbent Democrats Up For Reelection In 2014: [Re: zappaisgod]
#19145510 - 11/16/13 02:10 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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A universal system wouldn't have those issues
And your doctor may get more popular because he's good, but we would all be provided the same services for much lower cost.
And poor people would get treatment before they had a serious health condition. Which is really the biggest point. Preventative medicine is generally the most cost efficient.
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Re: Notice To Incumbent Democrats Up For Reelection In 2014: [Re: Juicin]
#19145511 - 11/16/13 02:10 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Juicin said:
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zappaisgod said: My insurance was not sub par and I don't want to be stuck with your medicaid quacks.
I wasn't referring to you... I don't know you personal situation. But there are certain thresholds of coverage that your plan must meet. If they don't find a new plan that your doctor accepts.
I don't want either you or the cocksucking government telling me what is appropriate for me.Quote:
Now for people willing to take the risk with no coverage. They still have the option of ER care, and thus need to be payed for.
So let them pay the billQuote:
Irrelevant of if they want to or not. We are all buying healthcare together already, this is a move in the right direction.
I don't want to buy health insurance with you and I don't think you should want to buy health insurance with me. We are in vastly different risk pools.
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Re: Notice To Incumbent Democrats Up For Reelection In 2014: [Re: zappaisgod]
#19145529 - 11/16/13 02:14 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Ok well "let them pay the bill" ends in higher costs for the paying consumer.
You have to turn them away, not just pretend they are going to pay for something they will never be able to afford.
Which you don't seem to be advocating. So I think you're confused how this works
Edit - And to your point about risk pools, yea we may be in variant risk pools, but I have pre existing conditions, and I will be and old man one day hopefully. It's a reasonable price to pay.
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Re: Notice To Incumbent Democrats Up For Reelection In 2014: [Re: Juicin]
#19145541 - 11/16/13 02:17 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Juicin said: A universal system wouldn't have those issues
Yes it would. Every single one of them and more.Quote:
And your doctor may get more popular because he's good, but we would all be provided the same services for much lower cost.
No you won't. The best doctors won't sign up for shit pay and you will get fewer people actually willing to torture themselves for 12+ years to make shit money.Quote:
And poor people would get treatment before they had a serious health condition. Which is really the biggest point. Preventative medicine is generally the most cost efficient.
You seem to have this insane notion that people will go to doctors for checkups if they are free and that they mean shit. I had free doc checks when I was married to my government worker parasite ex-wife. I went exactly once in 20 years. Tens of thousands of dollars that would have been put to better use in our pocket.
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Re: Notice To Incumbent Democrats Up For Reelection In 2014: [Re: zappaisgod]
#19145548 - 11/16/13 02:19 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Ok dude, having a heart attack and going to the hospital costs a lot more than being told that if you don't change your habits you will soon die.
What is wrong with you?
We'll just ignore all the advances in modern medicine that are preventative.
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Re: Notice To Incumbent Democrats Up For Reelection In 2014: [Re: Juicin]
#19145561 - 11/16/13 02:21 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Juicin said: Ok well "let them pay the bill" ends in higher costs for the paying consumer.
Fact not in evidenceQuote:
You have to turn them away, not just pretend they are going to pay for something they will never be able to afford.
Why not? Most people buy their houses with only a small percent down.Quote:
Which you don't seem to be advocating. So I think you're confused how this works.
I'm not confused about how it works or your motivation. You want me to buy you shit.Quote:
Edit - And to your point about risk pools, yea we may be in variant risk pools, but I have pre existing conditions, and I will be and old man one day hopefully. It's a reasonable price to pay.
I'm an old man now and you have shown that you are panhandling to get me to pay for your care. I'd rather not.
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Re: Notice To Incumbent Democrats Up For Reelection In 2014: [Re: zappaisgod]
#19145579 - 11/16/13 02:25 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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My pre existing condition is asthma, and hasn't cost me a cent since my childhood. I recognize I'm not invincible, not that your argument has anything to do with the topic at hand.
Typical
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Re: Notice To Incumbent Democrats Up For Reelection In 2014: [Re: Juicin]
#19145590 - 11/16/13 02:27 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Juicin said: Ok dude, having a heart attack and going to the hospital costs a lot more than being told that if you don't change your habits you will soon die.
I don't need to go to a doctor to tell me I need to stop smoking. And drinking and eating bacon with a shovel. I'm not going to change my habist no matter what they sayQuote:
What is wrong with you?
See above.Quote:
We'll just ignore all the advances in modern medicine that are preventative.
Do you know how many advances in modern medicine are relevant to normal young males? None.
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Re: Notice To Incumbent Democrats Up For Reelection In 2014: [Re: zappaisgod]
#19145614 - 11/16/13 02:31 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yea you're not rational
Why even have insurance if this is your view? What the fuck are you going to the doctor for? Just go to the ER when a doctor you like is on staff. We both know why you don't
I'm done with this, you're not rational. When you leave the bubble let me know
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Re: Notice To Incumbent Democrats Up For Reelection In 2014: [Re: Juicin]
#19145624 - 11/16/13 02:33 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Juicin said: Yea you're not rational
Why even have insurance if this is your view? What the fuck are you going to the doctor for? Just go to the ER when a doctor you like is on staff. We both know why you don't
I'm done with this, you're not rational. When you leave the bubble let me know
The only rational action for a young heslthy male is to not have health insurance. Why does this concept rock your world? It's a fucking waste of money.
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Re: Notice To Incumbent Democrats Up For Reelection In 2014: [Re: starfire_xes]
#19161842 - 11/19/13 08:29 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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By 2020 or 2022 at the latest the GOP will be a regional party with no national power. Demographics will make it so. And the ACA hasn't begun yet, there's no way to know yet if people will like it or not. So far all there is are some stodgy people complaining about things about to be slightly different and they don't like it because they're set in their ways. It'll take at least 8 years before we know whether Americans on the whole will like the ACA or not. Of course that doesn't stop the partisans from making up things and stirring up people in a reactionary way like they always do.
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Re: Notice To Incumbent Democrats Up For Reelection In 2014: [Re: Ellis Dee]
#19161866 - 11/19/13 08:32 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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After reading this forum for awhile starfire and zappa fit the description of trolls. Every post is basically written to start fights and be rude
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Re: Notice To Incumbent Democrats Up For Reelection In 2014: [Re: lwheidt]
#19162287 - 11/19/13 09:28 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Oh my god, the diatribe being exchanged between psychonaught and Mush4Brains for the first page or so of this thread were absolutely priceless. quintessential internet.
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Re: Notice To Incumbent Democrats Up For Reelection In 2014: [Re: lwheidt]
#19162413 - 11/19/13 09:49 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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lwheidt said: After reading this forum for awhile starfire and zappa fit the description of trolls. Every post is basically written to start fights and be rude
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Re: Notice To Incumbent Democrats Up For Reelection In 2014: [Re: memes]
#19162532 - 11/19/13 10:11 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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memes said: Oh my god, the diatribe being exchanged between psychonaught and Mush4Brains for the first page or so of this thread were absolutely priceless. quintessential internet.
glad i could entertain
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Re: Notice To Incumbent Democrats Up For Reelection In 2014: [Re: lwheidt] 1
#19162919 - 11/19/13 11:42 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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lwheidt said: After reading this forum for awhile starfire and zappa fit the description of trolls. Every post is basically written to start fights and be rude
Not so. I want to have legitimate discussions, and I have a goal. I am wondering if it is possible to teach a Moonbat to think and make decisions logically instead of thinking and making decisions with emotions.
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Re: Notice To Incumbent Democrats Up For Reelection In 2014: [Re: starfire_xes]
#19163661 - 11/20/13 06:06 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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You guys think you are "not driven by emotion"? Virtually every post out of you whackos is driven by one emotion: disgust. Crazy you can talk about trying to teach people to see things logically when all you really want is karmic consequences, I.e, for the "losers" to take it up the ass as much as possible because they revolt you. You all don't give two shits about changes that would improve net outcomes.
Your one mission is to teach us how some people are complete pieces of shit and should be treated as such. This has nothing to do with logical thinking and everything to do with being a vicious asshat.
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Re: Notice To Incumbent Democrats Up For Reelection In 2014: [Re: sytar]
#19163770 - 11/20/13 06:49 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Dude, immediately seek a career in comedy!
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Re: Notice To Incumbent Democrats Up For Reelection In 2014: [Re: sytar]
#19164005 - 11/20/13 08:51 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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sytar said:
Your one mission is to teach us how some people are complete pieces of shit and should be treated as such. This has nothing to do with logical thinking and everything to do with being a vicious asshat.
No, my mission is to keep people reminded that the fuking assclown they voted into the presidency of the US is neither a genius, a savior, nor is he a kind and compassionate politician who wants to help 'the little guy' He a fucking sleazeball politician who is serving his masters in certain industries and political associations while attached to their strings.
I will not now, nor will I ever, be quiet and support him 'because he is the president.' He is the president, not the dictator. It is our job as citizens to point out the inadequacies and the poor decisions and policies of the Elite Political Class. If it isn't done now there will come a day when the citizens aren't allowed to speak out against the government.
Now, if certain people on here are butthurt about that, well I'm all broken up about their asspain.
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Re: Notice To Incumbent Democrats Up For Reelection In 2014: [Re: starfire_xes]
#19164167 - 11/20/13 09:39 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Except this is the land of opportunity. This is the land of milk and honey. The richest civilization in the history of mankind. Our "poor" are only poor by spoiled American standards. Based on their access to food, shelter, clothing, transportation, education, medicine,doctors, refrigeration, heating and yes even AIR CONDITIONING they are in fact wealthy by the standards of human history. Hell! You don't even have to go back that far they live in relative wealth in comparison to much of the current world population. That is fact, it is not debatable.
So why should I feel empathy? For a bunch pathetic whining failures? No. I feel empathy for people with a realistic lack of opportunities. Like children born in Sub Sahara Africa, parts of India, China, North Korea. Don't t get me wrong, I feel no need to "fix" these problems either. Anyone who thinks they go around socially engineering, or "fixing" other peoples problems is a tyrant. But at least people in those regions have a legitimate complaint about lack of opportunity. Lazy American moochers on the other hand, fuck em, they caught their break being born here. If they want to squander that away so be it, just don't expect me to have an outpouring of sympathy over it. Not only do I not empathize I hope as many die before procreation as possible so as to not muck up the genetic pool anymore then necessary. Worthless scum. That is all
I think this post says all that needs to be said about your "mission".
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Re: Notice To Incumbent Democrats Up For Reelection In 2014: [Re: starfire_xes]
#19166095 - 11/20/13 03:49 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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starfire_xes said:
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lwheidt said: After reading this forum for awhile starfire and zappa fit the description of trolls. Every post is basically written to start fights and be rude
Not so. I want to have legitimate discussions, and I have a goal. I am wondering if it is possible to teach a Moonbat to think and make decisions logically instead of thinking and making decisions with emotions. 

You have to get them in the larval form. Adult moonbats will never think.
I didn't think disgust was an emotion. You cannot feel disgust unless you think.
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Re: Notice To Incumbent Democrats Up For Reelection In 2014: [Re: zappaisgod]
#19166203 - 11/20/13 04:09 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Disgust is something you feel. It isn't a sensory apparatus like vision or pain nor is it a logical argument. It is an emotion. It is what you blokes feel when you think of lazy people, free loaders, the unfit, the unskilled, the addicted, the weak, the "losers", the "scum".
The ability to feel profound digust is the emotion which most divides legitimate libertarians from confused, socially liberal conservatives like you folks. Libertarians don't understand or experience digust to any significant degee. Perhaps the only the they are digusted by is digust itself. Conservatives, like you all, take digust to its complete maximum. When you make posts like the abov that I've quoted you kind of give away are you're coming from.
Source: http://www.plosone.org/article/info:doi/10.1371/journal.pone.0042366
I couldn't possibly give this study a higher recommendation. Some of the most worthwhile reading I've ever done.
Edit: my phone keeps autocorrecting disgust to digust it looks like. Annoying.
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Re: Notice To Incumbent Democrats Up For Reelection In 2014: [Re: sytar]
#19166387 - 11/20/13 04:52 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Moonbat is a term used in United States politics as a pejorative political epithet referring to progressives or leftists.
1)NO FLAMING ...if you can't state your case or refute another poster's case without calling them "stupid" or an "idiot", etc. then don't bother posting here. This forum is for intelligent debate, not to try to belittle another member posting in the forum who doesn't think like you.
Man, good to know that the rules are being enforced equally.
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Re: Notice To Incumbent Democrats Up For Reelection In 2014: [Re: Mush4Brains] 1
#19166417 - 11/20/13 05:01 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Stop whining.
Did I refer to you as a moonbat, moonbat?
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Re: Notice To Incumbent Democrats Up For Reelection In 2014: [Re: zappaisgod]
#19166421 - 11/20/13 05:03 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Let me add some other pejoratives
Progressive Liberal
These are extremely insulting to sentient beings. Referring to someone as such is tantamount to denigrating their intellectual capacity for rational thought.
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Re: Notice To Incumbent Democrats Up For Reelection In 2014: [Re: zappaisgod]
#19166455 - 11/20/13 05:12 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Stop whining.
Did I refer to you as a moonbat, moonbat?
Quoted for reference.
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Re: Notice To Incumbent Democrats Up For Reelection In 2014: [Re: Mush4Brains]
#19166837 - 11/20/13 06:28 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said:
Stop whining.
Did I refer to you as a moonbat, moonbat?
Quoted for reference.
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Re: Notice To Incumbent Democrats Up For Reelection In 2014: [Re: zappaisgod]
#19166918 - 11/20/13 06:43 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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It's all right Zap. I don't mind if Mush calls me a Wingnut.
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Re: Notice To Incumbent Democrats Up For Reelection In 2014: [Re: starfire_xes]
#19166990 - 11/20/13 06:59 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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starfire_xes said: It's all right Zap. I don't mind if Mush calls me a Wingnut.
WHAT?!!!!!!!!!!!
That is a fucking outrage
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Re: Notice To Incumbent Democrats Up For Reelection In 2014: [Re: starfire_xes]
#19167021 - 11/20/13 07:06 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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starfire_xes said: It's all right Zap. I don't mind if Mush calls me a Wingnut.
I actually have never used that term. You can search my posts if you need to. So, carry on with your little circljerk with zappa.
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Re: Notice To Incumbent Democrats Up For Reelection In 2014: [Re: Mush4Brains]
#19167042 - 11/20/13 07:09 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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NO, it wasn't you. It was street sweeper who called me a wingnut. I don't get butthurt from names.
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Re: Notice To Incumbent Democrats Up For Reelection In 2014: [Re: starfire_xes]
#19167060 - 11/20/13 07:12 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Well then, as you love saying "reply to fail."
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Re: Notice To Incumbent Democrats Up For Reelection In 2014: [Re: starfire_xes]
#19167063 - 11/20/13 07:13 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Mush, you should join the Navy if you are eligible. Before you saw WTF, you could be a Hospital Corpsman. that means your job is to solely help people and save lives, and if you are on a ship you get to do a lot of humanitarian missions in foreign countries. Like in Mombassa Kenya, they had a clinic where poor people came in, and navy doctors and corpsmen treated them, etc, as a form of humanitarian aid.
You would learn something, see a lot of the world, and probably enjoy yourself too.
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Re: Notice To Incumbent Democrats Up For Reelection In 2014: [Re: starfire_xes]
#19167068 - 11/20/13 07:14 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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No branch of the Armed Forces would take me. I've looked into it extensively.
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Re: Notice To Incumbent Democrats Up For Reelection In 2014: [Re: Mush4Brains]
#19168793 - 11/21/13 07:07 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Lack of empathy and compassion are signs of someone being less than human. Without love for oothers, your opinions are nothing more than selfish complaints. Because the trolls on here post 10 times a day, they think by being loud they are right. From what I see, the trolls just want to hate and breed their hate. Anyone who hates the poor hates themselves. No one is better than anyone else in this world. The trolls and me are equals, unfortunately. The best advice for the haters is to learn to love more and hate less. But, many people only get a false sense of their owm importance from psychedelics. It is hard to change oneself and be a better person and easy to spread hate.
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Re: Notice To Incumbent Democrats Up For Reelection In 2014: [Re: lwheidt]
#19168799 - 11/21/13 07:12 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: Notice To Incumbent Democrats Up For Reelection In 2014: [Re: lwheidt]
#19168815 - 11/21/13 07:19 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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lwheidt said: Lack of empathy and compassion are signs of someone being less than human. Without love for oothers, your opinions are nothing more than selfish complaints. Because the trolls on here post 10 times a day, they think by being loud they are right. From what I see, the trolls just want to hate and breed their hate. Anyone who hates the poor hates themselves. No one is better than anyone else in this world. The trolls and me are equals, unfortunately. The best advice for the haters is to learn to love more and hate less. But, many people only get a false sense of their owm importance from psychedelics. It is hard to change oneself and be a better person and easy to spread hate.

Nice hate filled post.
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Re: Notice To Incumbent Democrats Up For Reelection In 2014: [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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I love you! Have a nice day! I I forgive you! I can't make you love and you can't make me hate!
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Re: Notice To Incumbent Democrats Up For Reelection In 2014: [Re: lwheidt] 1
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lwheidt said: I can't make you love
You don't need to.
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and you can't make me hate!
I don't need to.
Once you declared that those who disagree with you lack empathy and compassion, your feelings were clear.
Then, declaring that those who disagree with you lack love and are selfish you provided yet more evidence.
Of course, declaring that those who disagree with you hate and breed hate sealed the deal.
You're the type of person you railed about.
Good for you.
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Re: Notice To Incumbent Democrats Up For Reelection In 2014: [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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Trying to make me hate you didn't work! I have compassion and empathy for you. I'm smiling and hope you have a great day!
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Re: Notice To Incumbent Democrats Up For Reelection In 2014: [Re: lwheidt]
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Trying to make you hate me?

So now we can add that those who disagree with you (or point out the flaws in your post) are trying to make you hate them.
Methinks thou doth protest too much and that you should really reconsider your position.
You may be smiling but I'm laughing my ass off.
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Re: Notice To Incumbent Democrats Up For Reelection In 2014: [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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Studies have shown that libertarians and conservatives are lacking in "empathic concern for others" while libertarians are particularly lacking in "perspective taking" (these are technical terms with corresponding psychometric constructs). It is all there in the libertarian psychology study I posted. The accusation that the people here lack empathy is well justified. I mean, the post I quoted which many here hailed as a "champion post" unapologetically and explicitly states that they have no empathy for the poor, going so far as to call them "scum".
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Once you declared that those who disagree with you lack empathy and compassion, your feelings were clear.
What a crude caricature. These particular dissidents, and the majority of their ilk, do indeed lack empathy and compassion. I could name several libertarians who don't lack this flaw, my favorite of which Is Roderick Long but not many libertarians are bleeding heart libertarians. Most are frozen heart libertarians.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bleeding-heart_libertarianism
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lwheidt said: Fake empathy and compassion are signs of someone being a Moonbat. With fake love for oothers, your opinions are nothing more than selfish complaints. Because the Moonbats on here post 10 times a day, they think by being loud they are righteous. From what I see, the Moonbats just want to hate and breed their hate. Anyone who hates the succsessful hates themselves because they are envious. A Moonbat thinks no one is better than a Socialist in this world. The Moonbats and Commies are equals, unfortunately. The best advice for the Moonbats is to STFUI and to stay out of peoples lives that isn't your business. But, many Moonbats only get a false sense of their owm importance from the Mainstream Media. It is hard to change oneself and be a better person and easy to spread liberal talking points.
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Re: Notice To Incumbent Democrats Up For Reelection In 2014: [Re: sytar]
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sytar said: What a crude an accurate caricature.
The poster revealed himself quite clearly.
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Re: Notice To Incumbent Democrats Up For Reelection In 2014: [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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Are you really going to say the quoted poster and the people that emphatically agreed with the post I quoted have empathy and compassion? Let me get the most choice bit from that post for you.
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So why should I feel empathy? For a bunch pathetic whining failures? No.
Yep. Clearly that guy thinks the people here lack empathy "just because they disagree with him".
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Re: Notice To Incumbent Democrats Up For Reelection In 2014: [Re: sytar]
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Where in that post you quoted does it say that the poster lacks empathy?
Pro Tip #1: It says he has no empathy for a specific thing, not that he lacks empathy in general.
Pro Tip #2: Oft times making blanket statements makes the person making the blanket statement appear quite foolish. Plus it's absurdly easy to point out just how poorly thought out their position is.
-------------------- You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers
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Re: Notice To Incumbent Democrats Up For Reelection In 2014: [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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according to lwheidt logic the most empathetic form of government must be communism 
heres a great Milton Friedman video on poverty and 'government responsibility'
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Re: Notice To Incumbent Democrats Up For Reelection In 2014: [Re: psyconaught]
#19169720 - 11/21/13 12:04 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yea in developing nations, you're living a pipe dream sold to you by the corporate state hook line and fucking sinker. You're never going to be truly rich, neither am I. And there are millions of poor people who would stimulate the economy if given an income.
Socialism works
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Development_Index
Notice how far the U.S. drops when inequality is factored in. Living a pipe dream
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Juicin said: Yea in developing nations, you're living a pipe dream sold to you by the corporate state hook line and fucking sinker. You're never going to be truly rich, neither am I. And there are millions of poor people who would stimulate the economy if given an income.
Socialism works
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Development_Index
Notice how far the U.S. drops when inequality is factored in. Living a pipe dream
Given an income? lol. why not earn an income?
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Re: Notice To Incumbent Democrats Up For Reelection In 2014: [Re: B_BOY]
#19169739 - 11/21/13 12:09 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Because we live in a consumer economy where we need to have a thriving middle class. It doesn't have to be direct income, but it is the most efficient way to stimulate demand. I guess you could put stipulations on what you could buy with the capital, no paying down debt etc. We have the fractional* reserve system, why would you balk at running up deficits this way? It doesn't make sense.
And to be clear you could give this income to EVERYONE even the super rich, although that seems like overkill.
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Re: Notice To Incumbent Democrats Up For Reelection In 2014: [Re: Juicin]
#19169749 - 11/21/13 12:12 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Where does this money come from that YOU want to give away? The government does not produce anything, their only income is from taxes and what not. I understand you mean spreading the wealth around, right?
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Re: Notice To Incumbent Democrats Up For Reelection In 2014: [Re: B_BOY]
#19169766 - 11/21/13 12:16 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yes we have to spread the wealth around or you run into the problem marx very accurately described. His solution may not have been perfect, but the conflict is clear. And if you want the system to continue on you need to find a balance. We live in a consumer economy where more and more wealth is controlled by fewer people every day. And this hurts our society in an innumerable amount of ways. The most direct being sucking the wealth out of communities and leaving large swathes of the population destitute
But from an economic standpoint. There is no reason not to stimulate demand via direct income. Government deficits don't matter to an economy like ours
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yeah all those stimulus packages really worked well huh?
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Re: Notice To Incumbent Democrats Up For Reelection In 2014: [Re: B_BOY]
#19169777 - 11/21/13 12:18 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Corporate stimulus.....
You're not too bright are you?
edit - and if they hadn't bailed out the banks that should have never gotten that large (they certainly would have with less regulation), our economy would have collapsed
The economy is vast, the stimulus was small, especially compared to giving tens of thousands of dollars away to each citizen a year.
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#19169790 - 11/21/13 12:20 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Did you specify what type? Just go earn your own way and stop expecting others to earn it for you. LOL at not to bright, is that what you resort to when challenged? Venezuela looking pretty good right now huh?
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Yea in developing nations, you're living a pipe dream sold to you by the corporate state hook line and fucking sinker. You're never going to be truly rich, neither am I. And there are millions of poor people who would stimulate the economy if given an income.
who knows, you may get wealthy and its possible i will as well. The guy who invented snap chat in his college dorm just got offered 3 Billion dollars from Facebook. There are many examples of self made people in this country and others. Economic stimulus comes from productivity. Giving away other peoples money is not productivity. And Socialism does not work. The more capitalist a society the more prosperous it is.
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Re: Notice To Incumbent Democrats Up For Reelection In 2014: [Re: B_BOY]
#19169823 - 11/21/13 12:25 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Specify what type?
Yes I did, give consumers money to create demand. That's the type of stimulus I was talking about. Although saving some of the most massive financial institutions this world will hopefully ever see was necessary.
And I don't expect anyone to earn for me, but I don't expect to raise my children in a community that I'm not willing to pay for the betterment of. You're clearly uneducated, the income would serve and your family well.
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Re: Notice To Incumbent Democrats Up For Reelection In 2014: [Re: psyconaught]
#19169831 - 11/21/13 12:26 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Many? 1350 out of 7 billion people?
I'm going to grow six inches and start for the bulls next year......
edit - 1350 billionaires
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Re: Notice To Incumbent Democrats Up For Reelection In 2014: [Re: Juicin]
#19169832 - 11/21/13 12:26 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I don't need any help or hand outs. Not my style, it is clearly your style though. Troll on !!!!! Go give some of your wealth away then instead of sitting on the internet crying to others about fair and equal treatment.
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but I don't expect to raise my children in a community that I'm not willing to pay for the betterment of
and you're free to do that. However don't force me or anyone else to pay for YOUR children and YOUR community.
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Re: Notice To Incumbent Democrats Up For Reelection In 2014: [Re: psyconaught]
#19169844 - 11/21/13 12:29 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I can assure you me and my family pay more than you and yours. We just aren't so wealthy that we can isolate ourselves from the filth that comes from poverty. Or some of us choose not to I suppose. You are living a pipe dream that benefits no one but those at the top.
Have a little empathy and use your head. It makes economic sense to invest in the human capital of our country. Not have them flounder on half assed welfare so most of their progeny can do the same
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Re: Notice To Incumbent Democrats Up For Reelection In 2014: [Re: Juicin]
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Juicin said: Many? 1350 out of 7 billion people?
I'm going to grow six inches and start for the bulls next year......
edit - 1350 billionaires
you are aware that there are wealthy people outside of just billionaires right? 1.1 million people have joined the ranks of being a millionaire since 2008
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Re: Notice To Incumbent Democrats Up For Reelection In 2014: [Re: Juicin]
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Juicin said: I can assure you me and my family pay more than you and yours. We just aren't so wealthy that we can isolate ourselves from the filth that comes from poverty. Or some of us choose not to I suppose. You are living a pipe dream that benefits no one but those at the top.
Have a little empathy and use your head. It makes economic sense to invest in the human capital of our country. Not have them flounder on half assed welfare so most of their progeny can do the same
you probably pay more because you are forced to. I pay taxes because i'm threatened with violence if i don't. That doesn't make it okay. I have empathy, i just don't think giving away other peoples money is empathetic. Welfare creates a larger percentage of those in poverty.
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Re: Notice To Incumbent Democrats Up For Reelection In 2014: [Re: Juicin]
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Juicin said: I can assure you me and my family pay more than you and yours.e
Please, assure us of something you have no way of knowing.
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Re: Notice To Incumbent Democrats Up For Reelection In 2014: [Re: psyconaught]
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Re: Notice To Incumbent Democrats Up For Reelection In 2014: [Re: psyconaught]
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You think being worth a million dollars is wealthy? 7 digits?
Well shit I'm related to some millionaires. And I know a lot
But that's not reality, it's the super rich that will control this country unless the vast majority of us are well fed and well informed. If we want this society to work there needs to be a balance, and the free market isn't going to get us there.
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Re: Notice To Incumbent Democrats Up For Reelection In 2014: [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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Juicin said: I can assure you me and my family pay more than you and yours.e
Please, assure us of something you have no way of knowing.
He just confirmed...
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Re: Notice To Incumbent Democrats Up For Reelection In 2014: [Re: Juicin]
#19169885 - 11/21/13 12:36 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Of course he did.
-------------------- You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers
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Juicin said: Yes we have to spread the wealth around or you run into the problem marx very accurately described. His solution may not have been perfect, but the conflict is clear. And if you want the system to continue on you need to find a balance. We live in a consumer economy where more and more wealth is controlled by fewer people every day. And this hurts our society in an innumerable amount of ways. The most direct being sucking the wealth out of communities and leaving large swathes of the population destitute
But from an economic standpoint. There is no reason not to stimulate demand via direct income. Government deficits don't matter to an economy like ours
"Government deficits don't matter to an economy like ours"
So why don't we run $3 trillion dollar deficits every year? No taxes, plus free health-care, fuel, food, and beer for everyone, it doesn't matter right?
You really don't understand economic and monetary study do you?
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Re: Notice To Incumbent Democrats Up For Reelection In 2014: [Re: psyconaught]
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Juicin said: I can assure you me and my family pay more than you and yours. We just aren't so wealthy that we can isolate ourselves from the filth that comes from poverty. Or some of us choose not to I suppose. You are living a pipe dream that benefits no one but those at the top.
Have a little empathy and use your head. It makes economic sense to invest in the human capital of our country. Not have them flounder on half assed welfare so most of their progeny can do the same
you probably pay more because you are forced to. I pay taxes because i'm threatened with violence if i don't. That doesn't make it okay. I have empathy, i just don't think giving away other peoples money is empathetic. Welfare creates a larger percentage of those in poverty.
No it doesn't
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_Human_Development_Index
Our upward mobility is pathetic, you don't know what you're talking about. You and I will never be truly rich
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Re: Notice To Incumbent Democrats Up For Reelection In 2014: [Re: qman]
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Our economy will not collapse if we increased our spending by a great deal. Obviously there are limits, but we aren't near them. Not to mention there are thousands of ways a government can rack up debt and end up with a healthy investment in teh long term. For example education.
I'd say you know nothing about economics. Or are taking me very literally on a subject you know more than enough not to ask me about
edit - the greatest example being education
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Re: Notice To Incumbent Democrats Up For Reelection In 2014: [Re: Juicin]
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Juicin said: You think being worth a million dollars is wealthy? 7 digits?
Well shit I'm related to some millionaires. And I know a lot
But that's not reality, it's the super rich that will control this country unless the vast majority of us are well fed and well informed. If we want this society to work there needs to be a balance, and the free market isn't going to get us there.
yes because 1 million is the same as 900 million 
the rich have (and always will have) purchasing power within the government. So essentially the uber wealthy are the government correct? So wouldn't it make sense to limit the power of the government aka the super wealthy? Why do you desire such control in your life? Why do you have such a need for powerful masters? Personally i just want to be left the fuck alone. I don't want the government involved in my life, why do you?
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Yea in developing nations, you're living a pipe dream sold to you by the corporate state hook line and fucking sinker. You're never going to be truly rich, neither am I. And there are millions of poor people who would stimulate the economy if given an income.
who knows, you may get wealthy and its possible i will as well. The guy who invented snap chat in his college dorm just got offered 3 Billion dollars from Facebook. There are many examples of self made people in this country and others. Economic stimulus comes from productivity. Giving away other peoples money is not productivity. And Socialism does not work. The more capitalist a society the more prosperous it is.
"Socialism does not work"
In some places it does, very well in fact.
"The more capitalist a society the more prosperous it is"
Not true, it depends on the society, sometimes more capitalism works, sometimes it doesn't.
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You and I will never be truly rich
so? The super wealthy don't affect me, they don't stop me from making a living to the best of my ability. I am perfectly happy with living on a wage i built for myself.
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Re: Notice To Incumbent Democrats Up For Reelection In 2014: [Re: psyconaught]
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The super wealthy don't affect you?
Ok I'm done you're on ignore.
On what fucking planet do you live?
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Yea in developing nations, you're living a pipe dream sold to you by the corporate state hook line and fucking sinker. You're never going to be truly rich, neither am I. And there are millions of poor people who would stimulate the economy if given an income.
who knows, you may get wealthy and its possible i will as well. The guy who invented snap chat in his college dorm just got offered 3 Billion dollars from Facebook. There are many examples of self made people in this country and others. Economic stimulus comes from productivity. Giving away other peoples money is not productivity. And Socialism does not work. The more capitalist a society the more prosperous it is.
"Socialism does not work"
In some places it does, very well in fact.
"The more capitalist a society the more prosperous it is"
Not true, it depends on the society, sometimes more capitalism works, sometimes it doesn't.
please cite where more a free market alone has created disparity. And there are certain places where specific types of socialist systems has worked for a limited amount of time. But socialism as a whole does not work.
even countries that have socialist type programs in place are realizing that they don't work http://www.newgeography.com/content/004028-the-dutch-rethink-welfare-state
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Re: Notice To Incumbent Democrats Up For Reelection In 2014: [Re: Juicin] 2
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Juicin said: The super wealthy don't affect you?
Ok I'm done you're on ignore.
On what fucking planet do you live?
i love how they always resort to ignoring people instead of having rational debate.
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Re: Notice To Incumbent Democrats Up For Reelection In 2014: [Re: Juicin]
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Juicin said: Our economy will not collapse if we increased our spending by a great deal. Obviously there are limits, but we aren't near them. Not to mention there are thousands of ways a government can rack up debt and end up with a healthy investment in teh long term. For example education.
I'd say you know nothing about economics. Or are taking me very literally on a subject you know more than enough not to ask me about
edit - the greatest example being education
Are you suggesting that education always provides a great return on investment? It doesn't, sometimes it's a complete waste.
Graduating more law students doesn't create more legal work, graduating more accountants doesn't create more accounting work, graduating more engineers doesn't create more projects.
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Re: Notice To Incumbent Democrats Up For Reelection In 2014: [Re: psyconaught]
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Re: Notice To Incumbent Democrats Up For Reelection In 2014: [Re: psyconaught]
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It shows they lack of courage in their convictions.
The ignore function this site provides is an embarrassment.
Those that use it should be ashamed of their lack of spine.
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Re: Notice To Incumbent Democrats Up For Reelection In 2014: [Re: Juicin]
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Translation for those with spine... I can't hear you, I can't hear you. Nyah nyah nyah nyah nyah.
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Re: Notice To Incumbent Democrats Up For Reelection In 2014: [Re: qman]
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Education brings skills, which creates wealth, which creates demand, which creates jobs
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Re: Notice To Incumbent Democrats Up For Reelection In 2014: [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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Translation for those with spine... I can't hear you, I can't hear you. Nyah nyah nyah nyah nyah.
well I'm not really sure how to do it
The old fashioned way will have to do, not that this has anything to do with his or your argument
"the super rich don't affect me" just blows me away.
Not that I have seen you type anything but hyperbole in this thread
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Re: Notice To Incumbent Democrats Up For Reelection In 2014: [Re: psyconaught]
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Yea in developing nations, you're living a pipe dream sold to you by the corporate state hook line and fucking sinker. You're never going to be truly rich, neither am I. And there are millions of poor people who would stimulate the economy if given an income.
who knows, you may get wealthy and its possible i will as well. The guy who invented snap chat in his college dorm just got offered 3 Billion dollars from Facebook. There are many examples of self made people in this country and others. Economic stimulus comes from productivity. Giving away other peoples money is not productivity. And Socialism does not work. The more capitalist a society the more prosperous it is.
"Socialism does not work"
In some places it does, very well in fact.
"The more capitalist a society the more prosperous it is"
Not true, it depends on the society, sometimes more capitalism works, sometimes it doesn't.
please cite where more a free market alone has created disparity. And there are certain places where specific types of socialist systems has worked for a limited amount of time. But socialism as a whole does not work.
even countries that have socialist type programs in place are realizing that they don't work http://www.newgeography.com/content/004028-the-dutch-rethink-welfare-state
You made some blanket statements, I'm a capitalist, yet what we practice in the US has not been capitalism for a very long time.
Many European nations are questioning their socialist models today, why? They are broke, but guess what, so is the US and the rest of the developed economies of the world.
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Re: Notice To Incumbent Democrats Up For Reelection In 2014: [Re: Juicin] 2
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Juicin said: Education brings skills, which creates wealth, which creates demand, which creates jobs
Eastern Europe had one of the most educated societies for decades, it didn't create shit, no demand, no jobs, no wealth.
Many Asian counties had/have some of the most educated populations in world, again no jobs or very low paying jobs, no demand, no wealth.
Education is only useful if it's needed, China now has 9 million unemployed college graduates, the US and Europe also have millions of unemployed skilled and highly educated workers.
It's a lot more complicated than education equals wealth, history proves it.
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Re: Notice To Incumbent Democrats Up For Reelection In 2014: [Re: Juicin] 2
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"the super rich don't affect me" just blows me away.
Please explain to the audience how a trustfunder pissing away her inheritance of a few hundred million simoleons by bathing every night of her life in a hot tub filled with fresh champagne mixed with ermine milk prevents me from achieving any of my goals?
Looking at it from a different angle, if that trustfunder had been smothered in her crib by his sociopathic nanny before she reached her first birthday, by what percentage would my goal of achieving financial independence by age sixty have been improved? Would I go from a ten per cent chance of making it to a fifteen per cent chance? An eleven per cent chance? A ten and an three sixty-fourths per cent chance?
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Re: Notice To Incumbent Democrats Up For Reelection In 2014: [Re: qman]
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Juicin said: Education brings skills, which creates wealth, which creates demand, which creates jobs
Eastern Europe had one of the most educated societies for decades, it didn't create shit, no demand, no jobs, no wealth.
Many Asian counties had/have some of the most educated populations in world, again no jobs or very low paying jobs, no demand, no wealth.
Education is only useful if it's needed, China now has 9 million unemployed college graduates, the US and Europe also have millions of unemployed skilled and highly educated workers.
It's a lot more complicated than education equals wealth, history proves it.
China is a terrible example but i'll take your point. It would still lift millions into the middle class assuming a quarter of our population isn't below the poverty line. We are a massive economy with more than enough wealth to go around. We are falling into the old roman problem of the landed elites owning everything and not paying taxes. Straight out of a basic western civ class.
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Re: Notice To Incumbent Democrats Up For Reelection In 2014: [Re: Juicin]
#19170077 - 11/21/13 01:16 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Juicin said: hyperbole
You may need a dictionary.
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Re: Notice To Incumbent Democrats Up For Reelection In 2014: [Re: Phred]
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"the super rich don't affect me" just blows me away.
Please explain to the audience how a trustfunder pissing away her inheritance of a few hundred million simoleons by bathing every night of her life in a hot tub filled with fresh champagne mixed with ermine milk prevents me from achieving any of my goals?
Looking at it from a different angle, if that trustfunder had been smothered in her crib by his sociopathic nanny before she reached her first birthday, by what percentage would my goal of achieving financial independence by age sixty have been improved? Would I go from a ten per cent chance of making it to a fifteen per cent chance? An eleven per cent chance? A ten and an three sixty-fourths per cent chance?
Phred
Well you could start by the super rich indirectly controlling all 3 branches of Federal Government with their wealth. Then you can move on to their control of the media, which pretty much cinches up control of all politics in this country. Then you can move on to the food supply, poor regulations on food safety, patenting naturally occurring genetic sequences, and subsidizing crops like corn to the detriment of the whole country. Then you can move to the military industrial complex, big corporations spreading their factories all over the country so legislators can fight for earmarks to keep their unneeded weapons being produced.
I could go on, but the point is if you want the general will to manifest itself everyone needs to be well informed and have their basic necessities met. Otherwise it's not a republic it's an oligarchy
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Re: Notice To Incumbent Democrats Up For Reelection In 2014: [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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Juicin said: hyperbole
You may need a dictionary.
I would call trolling hyperbole? No?
There isn't any point to what you're saying just looking to elicit emotion?
Maybe I'm not using it correctly, I don't think so tho
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Re: Notice To Incumbent Democrats Up For Reelection In 2014: [Re: Juicin]
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Juicin said: I would call trolling hyperbole? No?
Ummm... no.
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There isn't any point to what you're saying just looking to elicit emotion?
Still no.
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Maybe I'm not using it correctly, I don't think so tho
Nope. Incorrect usage.
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Re: Notice To Incumbent Democrats Up For Reelection In 2014: [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#19170104 - 11/21/13 01:24 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Hmm yup it's a literary device, did not know that.
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Re: Notice To Incumbent Democrats Up For Reelection In 2014: [Re: Juicin]
#19170110 - 11/21/13 01:25 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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-------------------- You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers
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Juicin said: Well you could start by the super rich indirectly controlling all 3 branches of Federal Government with their wealth.
They don't, but even if they did, that doesn't answer my question.
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Then you can move on to their control of the media, which pretty much cinches up control of all politics in this country. Then you can move on to the food supply, poor regulations on food safety, patenting naturally occurring genetic sequences, and subsidizing crops like corn to the detriment of the whole country. Then you can move to the military industrial complex, big corporations spreading their factories all over the country so legislators can fight for earmarks to keep their unneeded weapons being produced.
I could go on…
Why bother? None of what I've block quoted so far answers my question either. The odds of you doing so if you continue therefore don't look good.
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Juicin said: Education brings skills, which creates wealth, which creates demand, which creates jobs
Eastern Europe had one of the most educated societies for decades, it didn't create shit, no demand, no jobs, no wealth.
Many Asian counties had/have some of the most educated populations in world, again no jobs or very low paying jobs, no demand, no wealth.
Education is only useful if it's needed, China now has 9 million unemployed college graduates, the US and Europe also have millions of unemployed skilled and highly educated workers.
It's a lot more complicated than education equals wealth, history proves it.
China is a terrible example but i'll take your point. It would still lift millions into the middle class assuming a quarter of our population isn't below the poverty line. We are a massive economy with more than enough wealth to go around. We are falling into the old roman problem of the landed elites owning everything and not paying taxes. Straight out of a basic western civ class.
What provided the greatest ear of economic prosperity in the US history?
Low skilled labor, no education was requited. My grandparents had below high school educations, yet relative to today's generation their wealth was multiples higher, why? Good paying low skilled jobs, everyone had them, that is what creates wealth and economic strength.
The capitalists sent the work out of the country, education is not a economic fix at this stage, sad but true.
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Re: Notice To Incumbent Democrats Up For Reelection In 2014: [Re: qman]
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http://www.ted.com/talks/ken_robinson_how_to_escape_education_s_death_valley.html
The days of cheap low skill labor is over. Wealth will created by intellectual property and our citizens ability to monetize it.
edit - high paying, not cheap
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Re: Notice To Incumbent Democrats Up For Reelection In 2014: [Re: Juicin]
#19170343 - 11/21/13 02:26 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Juicin said: Education brings skills, which creates wealth, which creates demand, which creates jobs
It depends on what the education is and characteristics of the vessel that receives it. It is becoming more and more clear that government supplied education is lacking in anything other than providing a safe voter base for bum pandering Dem pols to fuck over in the long run. The millennials who voted for this asshole are the ones who are going to get the bill. http://townhall.com/columnists/kurtschlichter/2013/11/04/maybe-pain-will-teach-you-millenials-not-to-vote-for-your-own-serfdom-n1733722/page/
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You Millenials voted for Obama by a margin of 28 percent, which will make it a lot easier for me to accept the benefits you will be paying for. We warned you that liberalism was a scam designed to take the fruits of your labor and transfer it to us, the older, established generation. Oh, and also to the couch-dwelling, Democrat-voting losers who live off of food stamps and order junk from QVC with their Obamaphones.
You didn’t listen to us. Maybe you’ll listen to pain.
I have been told that being hard on you Millennials will turn you against conservatism, that I should offer you a positive, hopeful message that avoids the touchy problem of your manifest stupidity.
No. There’s no sugar-coating it – your votes for Democrats have ensured that you are the first generation in American history that will fail to exceed what their parents attained. Embracing liberalism was a stupid thing to do, done for the stupidest of reasons, and I will now let you subsidize my affluent lifestyle without a shred of guilt.
I’m a 48 year old trial lawyer living on the coast in California – I should have “Hope and Change” tattooed on my glutes. I’d have an excuse to be lib-curious, but you Millennials? Why do you support an ideology that pillages you to pay-off Democrat constituencies? Your time in the indoctrination factories of academia trained you in a form of “critical thinking” that is neither. Somehow, you came to embrace the bizarre notion that conservatives are psychotic Jesus freaks who want to Footloosisze America into a land of mandatory Sunday school and no dancing.
But liberals, in contrast, are nice. Obama is cool. You chose petty fascism with a smile. Not a lot of thought went into it. Facts, evidence – these were mere distractions from the feelings-based validation that came from rejecting us wicked conservatives.
What did you get? The chance to be forced to buy health insurance you don’t want at inflated rates so my rates can be lower. You get to pay more out of your monthly barista take – liberalism ensured that the tanked job market foreclosed a real career – so that I get to pay less out of my lawyer checks. Thanks, suckers.
You fume that conservatives want to spy on you in your bedrooms. Leaving aside the fact that that your tacky boudoir fumblings are the last thing conservatives care about, have you noticed how your precious Big Brother spies on your doings everywhere else? But who cares about that – Mumford & Sons totally digs Obama!
Don’t even get me started on your crappy music.
Enjoy your student loans, Millennials! We tried to tell you that it was a Democrat scam designed to subsidize liberal academia by allowing you to go into decades of crushing debt to pay for a bachelors in Ancient Guatemalan Gender Identity Issues.
Good plan. Now fetch my latte – I’m in a hurry to get to my corner office. And I’ll leave you a tip – next time you decide to vote for a liberal, first be born in 1964.
Don’t think that I’m happy about this. I came to Los Angeles after the Gulf War. I had a car and a few bucks I had saved in the desert which went right into paying for Loyola Law School. I had no contacts and no money, but I knew I had endless opportunity.
I worked hard. I could start a business. I could get credit. I could – and did – build my own future.
But can you? Liberalism, with its impoverishing redistribution, crippling regulations and the debt it suckered you into undertaking, has ensured that most of you can’t.
You live with your parents, and Obamacare encourages sponging until you are 26 years old. At 26, I was leading Americans in a war, not begging mommy to pay my bills. The liberals want you to be eternal man-children, wearing cargo shorts and passively pumping money into their socialized medicine nightmare in return for “Brosurance” you don’t want or need.
It breaks my heart to see the young lawyers I hire hobbled by six figures of debt. But hey, your desperation works fine for us established folks. I got 297 applications for a junior associate position. Let me say that again – 297. Most of them weren’t even practicing law – they were brewing coffee, not writing briefs. Now, I understand that most of you learned nothing but liberal clichés in college, but take a guess: As an employer, are the salaries I pay generally more or less when I have 297 people competing for each job?
So feel free to keep voting for the liberals who keep you in chains. I’ll take my cheaper insurance, my future Social Security checks, and the other benefits that come from being established without guilt. The guys who you squander your votes upon certainly won’t change that equation. You’ll tread water in life, but hey, at least those conservatives won’t be in charge!
Thanks again, suckers. Now get off my lawn.
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Re: Notice To Incumbent Democrats Up For Reelection In 2014: [Re: zappaisgod]
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Can anyone explain why having compassion, empathy, and love for all mankind is so unpopular with Republicans on this site?
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Re: Notice To Incumbent Democrats Up For Reelection In 2014: [Re: lwheidt]
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If you explain why taking from others instead of earning it yourself is so popular with Democrats.
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Re: Notice To Incumbent Democrats Up For Reelection In 2014: [Re: B_BOY]
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In a world of 7 billion people, we can't all do what we want. We have to get along and love each other or we are doomed to fail as a species. In order to survive we need to love each other more, and learn to get along. Isn't this clear? How can 7 billion people survive if we all hate each other?
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Re: Notice To Incumbent Democrats Up For Reelection In 2014: [Re: lwheidt]
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Well that didn't answer the question but it was very very Liberal like.
Ask some of your fellow lefties these same questions and see what kind of answers you get. The left is a hate filled group.
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Re: Notice To Incumbent Democrats Up For Reelection In 2014: [Re: B_BOY]
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Why is it full of hate to point out there are 7 billion people and we need to love each other more?
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Re: Notice To Incumbent Democrats Up For Reelection In 2014: [Re: lwheidt]
#19171102 - 11/21/13 04:43 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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One can have compassion, empathy, and love for mankind without being willing to pick up the bill for mankind's fuckups.
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Re: Notice To Incumbent Democrats Up For Reelection In 2014: [Re: lwheidt]
#19171200 - 11/21/13 05:00 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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lwheidt said: Can anyone explain why having compassion, empathy, and love for all mankind is so unpopular with Republicans on this site?
Its not unpopular its just the best way to raise people up is not giving handouts its by creating a robust economy with lots of jobs. Creating a welfare class that consumes benefits while not working for said benefits brings down society.
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Re: Notice To Incumbent Democrats Up For Reelection In 2014: [Re: lwheidt] 2
#19171210 - 11/21/13 05:01 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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lwheidt said: Can anyone explain why having compassion, empathy, and love for all mankind is so unpopular with Republicans on this site?
Who's a Republican and what makes you think you know what any, much less all, think and feel?
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Re: Notice To Incumbent Democrats Up For Reelection In 2014: [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#19171398 - 11/21/13 05:32 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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You guys vote republican. Probably not always straight ticket so we can call you denialicans if you prefer.
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Re: Notice To Incumbent Democrats Up For Reelection In 2014: [Re: sytar] 1
#19171539 - 11/21/13 06:01 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I've never voted for a republican president....maybe a judge or city council member...I don't generally pay attention to party affiliation
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Re: Notice To Incumbent Democrats Up For Reelection In 2014: [Re: lwheidt]
#19171811 - 11/21/13 06:48 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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lwheidt said: Can anyone explain why having compassion, empathy, and love for all mankind is so unpopular with Republicans on this site?
I suggest you be compassionate with your own time and money and not mine. Using other people's money and time has nothing to do with compassion.
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Re: Notice To Incumbent Democrats Up For Reelection In 2014: [Re: Juicin]
#19172018 - 11/21/13 07:32 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Juicin said: Education brings skills, which creates wealth, which creates demand, which creates jobs
Spending money isn't what affects the education level and intelligence (as measured by 'standardized' test scores. It really would only matter in the poorest of countries.
It's a cultural phenomena. Asian families spend an enormous amount of time teaching their children the value of education, and educating them, from the time the child is a baby.
What happens in the US? In many families the parents turn on the electronic baby-sitter--the TV. And people wonder why children don't learn? ITS THE PARENTS RESPONSIBILITY TO TEACH CHILDREN. That is the way it has been since humans first stood up on two legs. It's also apparent in many animal species.
The US spends gazillions of dollars for the Department of Education and it adds no value at all to the education system.
If you want to talk now about 'landed elites' then lets look at our government. THOSE are the true elitists. You know--the ones who promise you Free Stuff, then sit around eating $50 a pound imported beef, drinking $300 bottles of wine and having celebrity parties, where they talk about how they are for the little guy? 
As for redistributing wealth, it doesnt work. The world needs ditch diggers too.
You want to talk who is the bane of the system, who is entitled, who makes the rules, who enables any and all rip-offs that send taxpayer money to special interests, who don't follow the same rules as The People?
Look no farther than the government. THEY are the elitists. THEY ARE THE PROBLEM.
The welfare and handouts they give are just bones thrown to keep the good little puppy dogs wagging their tails, slobbering while they await the next scrap.
There is a good reason Stalin said 'Gratitude is for Dogs'
It's our own fault for electing these tools and letting them get away with the Charade.
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Re: Notice To Incumbent Democrats Up For Reelection In 2014: [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#19172659 - 11/21/13 08:54 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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lwheidt said: Can anyone explain why having compassion, empathy, and love for all mankind is so unpopular with Republicans on this site?
Who's a Republican and what makes you think you know what any, much less all, think and feel?

Talk about prejudging people, the very characteristic he despises in other people.
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Re: Notice To Incumbent Democrats Up For Reelection In 2014: [Re: sytar]
#19173706 - 11/22/13 05:38 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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sytar said: You guys vote republican. Probably not always straight ticket so we can call you denialicans if you prefer.
There's been some Reps I've voted for. There's been some Dems. There's been Libertarians. I even wrote my own name in during the Obama McCain election because I couldn't vote for either of those tools.
Got any other stupid assumptions you'd like to share?
Your assumptions should embarrass you.
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Re: Notice To Incumbent Democrats Up For Reelection In 2014: [Re: B_BOY]
#19174048 - 11/22/13 08:28 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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B_BOY said: If you explain why taking from others instead of earning it yourself is so popular with Democrats.
Democrat policies hurt me financially but I support them because they make sense and I care about people. Helps that the democrats, while not always honest, don't have an allergy to facts and at least seem to be intellectually honest. Before anyone replies that welfare creates dependency and hurts people, let me just say "very convenient for you" and "show me the data."
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Re: Notice To Incumbent Democrats Up For Reelection In 2014: [Re: sytar]
#19174050 - 11/22/13 08:29 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Nice broad generalization.
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Re: Notice To Incumbent Democrats Up For Reelection In 2014: [Re: sytar]
#19174060 - 11/22/13 08:32 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Of course they have an allergy to facts. Honest? Have you listened to any of them at all? I could list over 400 lies from the president alone.
Lies told by Obama
number 7 might be of interest to you.
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Re: Notice To Incumbent Democrats Up For Reelection In 2014: [Re: B_BOY]
#19174235 - 11/22/13 09:30 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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What lie has Obama ever told that compares to WMDs in Iraq?
...............Are extremely young? I can't believe you even said that.
All politicians lie, Obama to our knowledge hasn't lied about really anything important thus far. In comparison to the massive lies told by the previous administration anyway.
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Re: Notice To Incumbent Democrats Up For Reelection In 2014: [Re: Juicin] 1
#19174241 - 11/22/13 09:32 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'm not convinced that the WMD statements were lies. If untrue, they were very likely told by people who believe the statements to be true.
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Re: Notice To Incumbent Democrats Up For Reelection In 2014: [Re: Juicin]
#19174249 - 11/22/13 09:36 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Obviously you didn't read the list of lies. not surprising though. Troll on Juicin, you have wasted to much of my time already. Do some research, don't just take what the left says as truth. Make up your own mind.
Democrats want to think FOR you Republicans want you to think for yourself.
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Re: Notice To Incumbent Democrats Up For Reelection In 2014: [Re: Enlil]
#19174273 - 11/22/13 09:43 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Enlil said: I'm not convinced that the WMD statements were lies. If untrue, they were very likely told by people who believe the statements to be true.
Well it clearly wasn't a true statement, and there was never any real evidence to support their claims. And they certainly weren't confused about how they came to that conclusion.
However I see your point, there is no evidence bush himself lied outright. Although plans for invading Iraq were discussed from the beginning of Bush's term. And Bush was more than aware of the shoddy quality of our intelligence.
I think we can safely call this a lie for him
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/feb/15/defector-admits-wmd-lies-iraq-war
Wow apparently the guy has come out in public and given interviews. This pretty much sums up why we went to war.
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Re: Notice To Incumbent Democrats Up For Reelection In 2014: [Re: Juicin]
#19174278 - 11/22/13 09:44 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yeah, I'm not buying the lie argument. Bush was easily led by people around him. Most likely, they sold him a bill of goods and he believed it.
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Re: Notice To Incumbent Democrats Up For Reelection In 2014: [Re: B_BOY]
#19174289 - 11/22/13 09:47 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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B_BOY said: Obviously you didn't read the list of lies. not surprising though. Troll on Juicin, you have wasted to much of my time already. Do some research, don't just take what the left says as truth. Make up your own mind.
Democrats want to think FOR you Republicans want you to think for yourself.
For one you buy the 2 party paradigm, which is just crazy. The ideas that you are presented with are BOTH conservative. BOTH uphold the status quo of old landed elites running the country. The democrats are just ever so slightly more liberal than their counterparts across the isle. And as men of the middle class, conservative should be a very dirty word to you.
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Re: Notice To Incumbent Democrats Up For Reelection In 2014: [Re: Juicin]
#19174290 - 11/22/13 09:47 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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no, you are clueless. Move along little lib-bot.
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Re: Notice To Incumbent Democrats Up For Reelection In 2014: [Re: Enlil]
#19174295 - 11/22/13 09:50 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Enlil said: Yeah, I'm not buying the lie argument. Bush was easily led by people around him. Most likely, they sold him a bill of goods and he believed it.
At what point does he become responsible for the men he surrounds himself with?
Rumsfeld and wolfowitz outright lied
Cheney outright lied, he spent quite a bit of time pressuring the intelligence agencies into giving the green light as well.
Director of the CIA blatant lies
I agree the proof that Bush specifically 100% was told that the information was false does not exist. But what I can prove and what most likely transpired are two very different things. Bush knew, I find it hard to believe you think he was just some stand in. He's much smarter than he comes off on TV. And either way it's his responsibility, making it his lie. You don't get to absolve the commander in chief because he acted on weak intelligence.
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Re: Notice To Incumbent Democrats Up For Reelection In 2014: [Re: B_BOY]
#19174300 - 11/22/13 09:50 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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B_BOY said: no, you are clueless. Move along little lib-bot.
Dude you're a mental midget, get on zappas level
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Re: Notice To Incumbent Democrats Up For Reelection In 2014: [Re: Juicin]
#19174307 - 11/22/13 09:52 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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You have contradicted yourself over and over in this thread and proved that you have no real subsistence to add to any of this discussion. Very poor posts. Just keep taking from others so that you don't have to do anything but post lies on a website.
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Re: Notice To Incumbent Democrats Up For Reelection In 2014: [Re: Juicin]
#19174397 - 11/22/13 10:18 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Juicin said: At what point does he become responsible for the men he surrounds himself with?
He's always responsible, but having responsibility for something and imputing upon him the intent are two different things. He's certainly responsible for everything his administration did. That doesn't make him necessarily culpable for the intentions of others.
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Re: Notice To Incumbent Democrats Up For Reelection In 2014: [Re: Juicin]
#19174399 - 11/22/13 10:19 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Juicin said:
Dude you're a mental midget, get on zappas level
What's with the flaming, bro...that's unshroomy as fuck.
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Re: Notice To Incumbent Democrats Up For Reelection In 2014: [Re: Juicin]
#19174822 - 11/22/13 01:05 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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B_BOY said: no, you are clueless. Move along little lib-bot.
Dude you're a mental midget, get on zappas level
Why am I brought up?. Bill and Hillary Clinton also, apparently lied about Iraqi WMDs. By the way, it wasn't a lie. Do you really think the Syrian retards made their own gas?
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Re: Notice To Incumbent Democrats Up For Reelection In 2014: [Re: zappaisgod]
#19175344 - 11/22/13 03:45 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I am done in this forum i guess, the Liberals keep blowing the whistle on me and crying to mods. See ya!
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Re: Notice To Incumbent Democrats Up For Reelection In 2014: [Re: B_BOY] 1
#19175975 - 11/22/13 06:35 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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They keep blowing the whistle on me, too. Whiny bitches but I'm still here slapping the snot out of their noses at every turn.
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Re: Notice To Incumbent Democrats Up For Reelection In 2014: [Re: B_BOY]
#19176127 - 11/22/13 07:11 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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B_BOY said: I am done in this forum i guess, the Liberals keep blowing the whistle on me and crying to mods. See ya!
Opting out again?
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Re: Notice To Incumbent Democrats Up For Reelection In 2014: [Re: B_BOY]
#19176133 - 11/22/13 07:12 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: Notice To Incumbent Democrats Up For Reelection In 2014: [Re: zappaisgod]
#19176166 - 11/22/13 07:23 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: They keep blowing the whistle on me, too. Whiny bitches but I'm still here slapping the snot out of their noses at every turn.
"they" is almost certainly Mush4brains. He seems to be pretty butthurt about what he perceives to be biased moderation in here.
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Re: Notice To Incumbent Democrats Up For Reelection In 2014: [Re: Enlil]
#19176207 - 11/22/13 07:32 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: They keep blowing the whistle on me, too. Whiny bitches but I'm still here slapping the snot out of their noses at every turn.
"they" is almost certainly Mush4brains. He seems to be pretty butthurt about what he perceives to be biased moderation in here.
I do believe that it is likely his incessant whine lately but the liberal commie fuckheads have been blowing the whistle on me for years. Long before he ever joined.
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