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Re: Humans of the Left Are Delusional [Re: Great Scott]
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The founding principle of ownership included owning people :rolleyes:

Stop romanticizing the founding principles of this country. They didn’t prevent black people from being property.


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NotSheekle said
“if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”

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Re: Humans of the Left Are Delusional [Re: lowbrow] * 1
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lowbrow said:
koods said:
All men are created equal*

*This offer does not apply to women, negros and orientals

Lowbrow, you are aware that when they wrote that they meant Caucasians and the word “men” literally means “men,” not the more broad meaning “humanity”. It should be obvious considering that we were founded as a slave nation that didn’t allow women to vote. This romantic vision of our founding principles is revisionist history.


Funny, I never saw the part in the constitution where it said ‘white men only’.

It Was made by white men and that would of been the majority affected by it.

It still included free blacks.


The fact that you have to put the word “free” in front of the word “black” should be a clue as to the actual meaning of the phrase “all men are created equal.”


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Re: Humans of the Left Are Delusional [Re: lowbrow]
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lowbrow said:
Funny, I never saw the part in the constitution where it said ‘white men only’.

It Was made by white men and that would of been the majority affected by it.

It still included free blacks.


Black weren't allowed to vote, and I don't believe they were allowed to own property.


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"It is no measure of good health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society," - Jiddu Krishnamurti
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Re: Humans of the Left Are Delusional [Re: bodhisatta]
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bodhisatta said:
No no no our propaganda says we're the greatest tho.


Here's a related clip, that's pretty great lol



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"It is no measure of good health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society," - Jiddu Krishnamurti
FARTS
"No my dog won't bite you, tho it had the right to. You ought to give him credit, cuz he knows I woulda let him" - Modest Mouse (And Wooof!)
Every one of you should see this video.
"Facts are chiels that winna ding, and downa be disputed" - Robert Burns


Edited by Bigbadwooof (01/29/19 04:41 PM)

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Re: Humans of the Left Are Delusional [Re: Bigbadwooof]
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Way to change the subject. You don't fundamentally agree with America's founding principles if you're still hung up on the white male landowner thing. Maybe we could agree on simple facts like the Brooklyn Dodgers moving to L.A.


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Re: Humans of the Left Are Delusional [Re: Great Scott] * 1
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Great Scott said:
Way to change the subject. You don't fundamentally agree with America's founding principles if you're still hung up on the white male landowner thing. Maybe we could agree on simple facts like the Brooklyn Dodgers moving to L.A.


I don't fundamentally agree with America's founding principles, because they were racist and sexist. The vast majority of America doesn't agree with them. Here in America, women can vote, hold public office, and own property. Black men can do the same.

These are simple facts, that I hope we can agree on.


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"It is no measure of good health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society," - Jiddu Krishnamurti
FARTS
"No my dog won't bite you, tho it had the right to. You ought to give him credit, cuz he knows I woulda let him" - Modest Mouse (And Wooof!)
Every one of you should see this video.
"Facts are chiels that winna ding, and downa be disputed" - Robert Burns


Edited by Bigbadwooof (01/29/19 04:46 PM)

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Re: Humans of the Left Are Delusional [Re: Bigbadwooof]
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Bigbadwooof said:
lowbrow said:
Funny, I never saw the part in the constitution where it said ‘white men only’.

It Was made by white men and that would of been the majority affected by it.

It still included free blacks.


Black weren't allowed to vote, and I don't believe they were allowed to own property.


Blacks who weren’t property were allowed to own property. Blacks who were property were not allowed to own property. They weren’t even allowed to “own” their own children. All men are created equal 🤔


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NotSheekle said
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Re: Humans of the Left Are Delusional [Re: Bigbadwooof]
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Bigbadwooof said:
Great Scott said:
Way to change the subject. You don't fundamentally agree with America's founding principles if you're still hung up on the white male landowner thing. Maybe we could agree on simple facts like the Brooklyn Dodgers moving to L.A.


I don't fundamentally agree with America's founding principles, because they were racist and sexist. The vast majority of America doesn't agree with them. Here in America, women can vote, hold public office, and have abortions. Black men can do the same.

These are simple facts, that I hope we can agree on.


I disagree that black men can have abortions


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NotSheekle said
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Re: Humans of the Left Are Delusional [Re: koods]
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koods said:
Blacks who weren’t property were allowed to own property. Blacks who were property were not allowed to own property. They weren’t even allowed to “own” their own children. All men are created equal 🤔


Women couldn't.


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"It is no measure of good health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society," - Jiddu Krishnamurti
FARTS
"No my dog won't bite you, tho it had the right to. You ought to give him credit, cuz he knows I woulda let him" - Modest Mouse (And Wooof!)
Every one of you should see this video.
"Facts are chiels that winna ding, and downa be disputed" - Robert Burns


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Re: Humans of the Left Are Delusional [Re: koods]
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Edited by Bigbadwooof (01/29/19 04:49 PM)

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Re: Humans of the Left Are Delusional [Re: koods]
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koods said:
I disagree that black men can have abortions


I changed it, but they certainly can, should they get pregnant.


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"It is no measure of good health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society," - Jiddu Krishnamurti
FARTS
"No my dog won't bite you, tho it had the right to. You ought to give him credit, cuz he knows I woulda let him" - Modest Mouse (And Wooof!)
Every one of you should see this video.
"Facts are chiels that winna ding, and downa be disputed" - Robert Burns


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Re: Humans of the Left Are Delusional [Re: Bigbadwooof]
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The discrepancies in equality were later amended. The fundamental principles remained unchanged. We are talking past each other at this point.


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Re: Humans of the Left Are Delusional [Re: Bigbadwooof]
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Bigbadwooof said:
koods said:
Blacks who weren’t property were allowed to own property. Blacks who were property were not allowed to own property. They weren’t even allowed to “own” their own children. All men are created equal 🤔


Women couldn't.


After the 13th and 14th ammendments black men had more rights than white women. At least legally.


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NotSheekle said
“if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”

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Re: Humans of the Left Are Delusional [Re: koods] * 3
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koods said:
The founding principle of ownership included owning people :rolleyes:

Stop romanticizing the founding principles of this country. They didn’t prevent black people from being property.


Nor white people.

I don’t paste my morals on the past to feel superior.


Slavery was a universal thing.  At that time it was still happening.  If somebody wants to romanticize the founding fathers it’s no different than romanticizing the ancient Egyptians or Athenians.


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Amanita86 said:
Sui is trying to mod right now.  Kinda like a newborn calf tryin ta stand fer the first time ain’t it..

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Re: Humans of the Left Are Delusional [Re: Great Scott] * 1
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Great Scott said:
The discrepancies in equality were later amended. The fundamental principles remained unchanged. We are talking past each other at this point.


I've never said anything that implied that I do not believe in the rights of individuals. Paying taxes is not an infringement on your rights. I know that Stefan Molyneux would have you believe otherwise, but he is a charlatan.


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"It is no measure of good health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society," - Jiddu Krishnamurti
FARTS
"No my dog won't bite you, tho it had the right to. You ought to give him credit, cuz he knows I woulda let him" - Modest Mouse (And Wooof!)
Every one of you should see this video.
"Facts are chiels that winna ding, and downa be disputed" - Robert Burns


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Re: Humans of the Left Are Delusional [Re: Great Scott] * 2
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Great Scott said:
The discrepancies in equality were later amended. The fundamental principles remained unchanged. We are talking past each other at this point.


Well that should clue you in that maybe we can continue to improve things if we were constantly having to improve things in the past. I mean, I’m sure there were always people like yourself who thought things were good enough and no need to change anything. I figure people like you probably felt that way in 1776.


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NotSheekle said
“if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”

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Re: Humans of the Left Are Delusional [Re: lowbrow]
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lowbrow said:
koods said:
The founding principle of ownership included owning people :rolleyes:

Stop romanticizing the founding principles of this country. They didn’t prevent black people from being property.


Nor white people.

I don’t paste my morals on the past to feel superior.


No, white people couldn't be owned as property. You are incorrect. Unless you're talking about some other country, in which case, we're not talking about that country.


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Slavery was a universal thing.  At that time it was still happening.  If somebody wants to romanticize the founding fathers it’s no different than romanticizing the ancient Egyptians or Athenians.


Huh?


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"It is no measure of good health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society," - Jiddu Krishnamurti
FARTS
"No my dog won't bite you, tho it had the right to. You ought to give him credit, cuz he knows I woulda let him" - Modest Mouse (And Wooof!)
Every one of you should see this video.
"Facts are chiels that winna ding, and downa be disputed" - Robert Burns


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Re: Humans of the Left Are Delusional [Re: Bigbadwooof] * 1
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Bigbadwooof said:
Quote:
Slavery was a universal thing.  At that time it was still happening.  If somebody wants to romanticize the founding fathers it’s no different than romanticizing the ancient Egyptians or Athenians.


Huh?


He means quit throwing the baby out with the bath water.


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Re: Humans of the Left Are Delusional [Re: lowbrow] * 1
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lowbrow said:
koods said:
The founding principle of ownership included owning people :rolleyes:

Stop romanticizing the founding principles of this country. They didn’t prevent black people from being property.


Nor white people.

I don’t paste my morals on the past to feel superior.


Slavery was a universal thing.  At that time it was still happening.  If somebody wants to romanticize the founding fathers it’s no different than romanticizing the ancient Egyptians or Athenians.


No only black people could be owned. Back in the day the issue was actually referred to as “African slavery”

Here is Georgia declaration of secession, which delineated its reason for joining the confederacy. (Hint it’s about their property rights, if you know what I mean.)

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The people of Georgia having dissolved their political connection with the Government of the United States of America, present to their confederates and the world the causes which have led to the separation. For the last ten years we have had numerous and serious causes of complaint against our non-slave-holding confederate States with reference to the subject of African slavery. They have endeavored to weaken our security, to disturb our domestic peace and tranquility, and persistently refused to comply with their express constitutional obligations to us in reference to that property


And I’ll just cut you off so you don’t waste your time... indentured servants were not slaves and were not property. They simply had a contractual obligation.


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NotSheekle said
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Re: Humans of the Left Are Delusional [Re: koods] * 1
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It’s amzing that in 2019 people still have to be educated about the nature of AFRICAN slavery in the US. great Scot, did you grow up in the south where they purposefully spin the the issue of slavery and the civil war to make it sound much less evil than it was?


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