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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: vault123]
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And he made Venezuela the strongest economy in South America for a time.

What he should have said was “I am convinced that the path to a new, better and possible world is not capitalism, the path is socialism, provided the US doesn't interfere.”


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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Yeah,  malaria isn't so bad provided one is immune.


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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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No. The Iraq war did. Chavez didn’t do anything but ride the wave of artificially high oil prices. Then his total ineptitude and kleptomania destroyed it.


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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: koods] * 1
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koods said:
Chavez didn’t do anything but ride the wave of artificially high oil prices. Then his total ineptitude and kleptomania destroyed it.


Great, are we ready to talk about some of these articles?


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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: Enlil]
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Enlil said:
Yeah,  malaria isn't so bad provided one is immune.


:lolwut:


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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Oh, I thought we were playing the fairytale game.


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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: Enlil]
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:lolwut:

Is anyone here following Enlil?


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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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A world where capitalist nations don't interfere with socialist nations is pure fantasyland


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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: Enlil]
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Got it, thanks.  Ya, I think you're right.


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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
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That's why socialism doesn't work.


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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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“The trouble with Socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money."

Margaret Thatcher


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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: vault123] * 1
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Margaret Thatcher's a smart lady - she can make believe something about socialism and the uneducated masses might believe her.

If the state owns the means of production, they get the money from the sale of goods rather than some billionaire.


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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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And yet,  socialism doesn't work.


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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: Enlil] * 1
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or capitalism needs to be dismantled for it to happen


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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: Tipote] * 2
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All this blaming of capitalism for the failures of communism/ socialism never seems to take into account that at it's height, 1/3 of the worlds population lived under communism. Those communist regimes meddled in other countries bussiness as much as anyone else.

The bleak, misrerable Soviet Union that Koods visited was not a little snowflake in a frying pan. It was a superpower.

And I don't buy the talk about how it's not communism because the workers never fully controlled the means of production or any of the other excuses. Those countrues are what you get when a regime with a communist ideology takes control.

I could make up a system where the end state is everyone gets a unicorn that provides them with all they need. If the system creates a disaster saying, "That's invalid because we never reached peak unicorn" is a shitty explanation.

And yes I'm aware that Socialism was mentioned not Communism. But when you talk about dismantling capitalism and the state owning the means of production you seem to be in the same boat.


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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: Thundermuscle75]
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A well worded response that explains post-hoc rationalisation. Good points.


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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: Tipote]
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Tipote said:
or capitalism needs to be dismantled for it to happen


In other words,  it won't happen.


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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: Tipote]
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Enlil said:
And yet,  socialism doesn't work.


Tipote said:
or capitalism needs to be dismantled for it to happen


I mean... Most countries have mixed systems these days. Medicine might bw socialized and other business aspects are capitalistic. There arent many pure socialist or pure capitalist countries. In america for example we have welfare both corporate and social.


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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: Sulfurshelfsean]
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Welfare isn't socialist in any way.


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Re: US supports Venezuelan coup attempt - "Totally not meddling" [Re: Enlil]
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A country that is as oil rich as Venezuela could actually make true socialism work. The fact that they are in such a desperate situation just demonstrates how completely inept and corrupt the Chavez Maduro regime is. Venezuela is the most poorly run country in the world. Kim Jun Un could turn Venezuela into a socialist paradise and keep the population from escaping to boot.

Of course when the oil runs out they would be the most pathetic country in the world again.

Edited by koods (01/29/19 03:44 PM)

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