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Re: Walls do work! [Re: koods] * 1
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What kind of tax revenue do you expect to generate by taxing uneducated/low skilled broke third world migrants?  In fact, they become a NET drain on the tax system, not contributors. That's a fact. :shrug:  I wouldn't call 20 million illegals costing over $100 PER YEAR "everything is fine".


What kind of tax revenue? Sales tax. Which actually accounts for more than 1/3 of state revenue in the US. Sales taxes don’t care if you are rich or poor. Everyone pays.

How do illegals become a net drain?


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Re: Walls do work! [Re: koods]
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I just read the expose of the trump Westchester golf club on the front page of the post today. It’s filled me with rage. First, HALF THE FUCKING STAFF ARE ILLEGALS. Many had worked at the club for more than a decade. The management knew they weren’t legal. And they were all fired.
No severance. Nothing.

Trump is really an evil human being. It makes me sick that everyone else personally pays for his misdeads. Who is punished when he is discovered to be employing huge numbers of illegals? The workers who have been loyal employees. It’s disgusting. If you work for trump he just uses you and then throws you away if you are lucky enough to not end up in prison. He is a parasite.

I remember the days when having an illegal nanny would mean your nomination to the Supreme Court or some other high government position would not approved by the senate. It’s happened a few times. Now we have a president who has made cracking down on illegals his main political platform and the motherfucker hires more illegals than anyone I’ve ever heard of.

Why are his hiring practices not disqualifying?

Why are his supporters so fucking stupid they think this man actually cares about these issues? He used your stupidity and credulity to get into the White House, a position he’s interested in only to satisfy his narcissism and lust for power. You think he cares about the little guy? He just put 800,000 of his employees through hell for a month just to get his way on a policy. He couldn’t do it through skill, so he just held these peoples lives hostage for a month. He’s evil. Fucking evil.

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Re: Walls do work! [Re: koods] * 1
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koods said:
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Does the US have a problem with illegal immigration from the North? No, so stop with the theoretical race baiting nonsense.



Omg I’ve personally known at least a half dozen Canadians who have lived and worked in the US illegally. I bet it’s way more common than anyone knows.  But they’re white and they speak English well enough to pass as American so nobody even notices.


This is a repost, but funny and on topic nonetheless for those that haven't seen it:



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Re: Walls do work! [Re: koods]
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koods said:
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What kind of tax revenue do you expect to generate by taxing uneducated/low skilled broke third world migrants?  In fact, they become a NET drain on the tax system, not contributors. That's a fact. :shrug:  I wouldn't call 20 million illegals costing over $100 PER YEAR "everything is fine".


What kind of tax revenue? Sales tax. Which actually accounts for more than 1/3 of state revenue in the US. Sales taxes don’t care if you are rich or poor. Everyone pays.

How do illegals become a net drain?


Wow, the poorest people that don't consume much outside of basic needs are going to contribute in the form of "sales tax"? You're getting very desperate at this point.

We don't need broke third world illegals to pay their crumbs in the form of a sales tax.

They're a net drain because they don't make enough to offset their use of educational, health care, criminal justice and other social services.

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Re: Walls do work! [Re: Lophosaurus]
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Lophosaurus said:
qman said:
Lophosaurus said:
qman said:
Dumb Statement. Walls work on a house because there is a ceiling and a floor to accompany the wall. The border wall doesn't have a ceiling so you go over it, and if it did then you could still dig under it like they already do in some places.

Supporters of the wall are dumb and racist.

Immigrants are good. Let them all in and make them legal and please let them bring me more drugs!!!


Why would someone be racist for supporting a border wall?  You do realize all nations have borders and laws in regards to it?

"Immigrants are good"

Even if true, that's not the issue here. The US wants to CONTROL the immigration and know who's coming in to the country.


We can control most of the immigration by letting in as many immigrants as possible so we can tax them and for the rest of the border, patrolling works just fine. We have no wall now and everything is fine.

Do you support a Canadian wall? That is the border we should be worried about if we are worried about any border. People who want the wall believe  that immigrants from the South are criminals and inferior people. They think they are going to rape and murder them.

The wall is a big waste of money and it wont do anything. People will go over, under, and through it.


What kind of tax revenue do you expect to generate by taxing uneducated/low skilled broke third world migrants?  In fact, they become a NET drain on the tax system, not contributors. That's a fact. :shrug:  I wouldn't call 20 million illegals costing over $100 PER YEAR "everything is fine". :facepalm:

Does the US have a problem with illegal immigration from the North? No, so stop with the theoretical race baiting nonsense.

If you want to argue that a wall isn't the most cost effective method for controlling the border, that's fine, but don't suggest illegal immigration is fine and anyone requesting that the existing immigration laws to be enforced are "racist" or "dumb".


They're coming in anyways, with or without your stupid wall so we might as well let them in and tax them and it will be a lot of tax money. The cheap labor will be great for rebuilding our crumbling country. Remember who built this county. Immigrants.

A wall is not cost effective and I believe I said something along those lines. I don't think I insinuated that illegal immigration is OK. I said we should let them all in legally and patrol the rest of the border.

The Northern border has illegals, drugs, and terrorists coming in too. I've known many illegal Canadians.

Anyone who wants this wall IS dumb and racist. A wall will not work and is a waste of money. Anyone can see that and the experts have said that. You just go over or under it. Keep in mind that plants and animals need that area open for migration and reproducing. How will the animals get through your stupid wall?


No, cheap labor benefits the 1% at the cost to the other 99%. That's not the engine of economic growth the US needs.

The immigrants that build the US came from Europe and they were INVITED to enter the US because they also wanted cheap labor. That's COMPLETELY different than third world migrants illegally crossing the southern border. So don't ever compare my Polish ancestors that legally immigrated with the current shitfest that's taking place today.

Also, the US is under zero obligation to have any more legal immigrants coming to the US, so that's no solution at all.

Again, I'm not completely sold on the concept of a wall. I want border enforcement and illegals deported ASAP.

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Re: Walls do work! [Re: MagicMush123] * 2
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MagicMush123 said:
A lot of Europeans have protested trump and seem more worried about him than what's going on in Europe


A vain madman at the helm of the heart of the world economy that also has the largest standing army AND the largest deployable nuclear capability.

Not on the same level as the Gilets Jaunes lighting trashcans on fire on the road in Paris.


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Re: Walls do work! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
lowbrow said:
Stable Genius said:
Because your comment made no sense.


Where and how.  Generalized comments like yours will be called as the horseshit they are unless backed up.


You said "This is not a good thing" when it was pointed out that immigrants commit 25% less crime.  And you criticized koods for choosing statistics from Texas, which clearly showed that immigrants commit far less crime.

That makes no sense.  :shrug:


Considering the fact that there is apr. 1,650,000 illegals in Texas and there are 25,100,000 residents in the state of Texas, illegals are committing a disproportionate amount of the murders.

I would also like to correct myself.  I said originally

“3,800(aproximate)native murders compared to 2,900(aproximate)illegal alien murders is REAL bad. “

It’s actually 3.8 compared to 2.9.  Per 100,000 of course.

But that is still a disproportionate amount of murder from illegal aliens.

I’m kind of surprised nobody else noticed my mistake.  Texas would be be a literal war zone if those stats were correct.


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Sui is trying to mod right now.  Kinda like a newborn calf tryin ta stand fer the first time ain’t it..

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Re: Walls do work! [Re: Asante]
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Asante said:
MagicMush123 said:
A lot of Europeans have protested trump and seem more worried about him than what's going on in Europe


A vain madman at the helm of the heart of the world economy that also has the largest standing army AND the largest deployable nuclear capability.

Not on the same level as the Gilets Jaunes lighting trashcans on fire on the road in Paris.


Maybe you should do some research to put yourself at ease. Trump may be vain but he is no mad man. And the us does not have the largest standing army. If you're so worried about mad men with large armies why are you so silent on China? Surely china is a bigger threat to human rights and world, rather than trump and the states, right?
But sure cherry pick your politics to fit your narratives about whites and white countries

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Re: Walls do work! [Re: MagicMush123] * 1
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MagicMush123 said:
Asante said:
MagicMush123 said:
A lot of Europeans have protested trump and seem more worried about him than what's going on in Europe


A vain madman at the helm of the heart of the world economy that also has the largest standing army AND the largest deployable nuclear capability.

Not on the same level as the Gilets Jaunes lighting trashcans on fire on the road in Paris.


Maybe you should do some research to put yourself at ease. Trump may be vain but he is no mad man. And the us does not have the largest standing army. If you're so worried about mad men with large armies why are you so silent on China? Surely china is a bigger threat to human rights and world, rather than trump and the states, right?
But sure cherry pick your politics to fit your narratives about whites and white countries



Tell me more about the USA being a "white country"  :wonka:


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Re: Walls do work! [Re: qman] * 2
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Cheap labor to rebuild our infrastructure helps everybody in the US including the 1%. If we only let in the richest and smartest people then who is going to do the work that they are too over-educated for?

Not everything is about economic growth. Some of these people are fleeing because their livelihood is in danger and we should let them in because of that, whether it helps fill your greedy pockets or not.

The immigrants that built the US came from all over the world. Literally every continent that has people. Some were invited, some were slaves, and some came illegally. Learn your history.

Sorry, but your ancestors aren't any better than people coming over the Southern border. Why are you bringing up that they are Polish? Because you're racist? Seriously, what does that have to do with anything? That is a stupid racist comment.

What shitfest? The fact that Trump has any amount of power and is causing chaos? Everything else seems to be going fine as usual except for Trumps racist followers whining about people coming in to the US.

I work with illegal people all the time and they are some hard workers and really nice people. If anything we should ship-out some of these privileged lazy citizens and let in more latin people.

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Re: Walls do work! [Re: Asante]
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Asante said:
MagicMush123 said:
Asante said:
MagicMush123 said:
A lot of Europeans have protested trump and seem more worried about him than what's going on in Europe


A vain madman at the helm of the heart of the world economy that also has the largest standing army AND the largest deployable nuclear capability.

Not on the same level as the Gilets Jaunes lighting trashcans on fire on the road in Paris.


Maybe you should do some research to put yourself at ease. Trump may be vain but he is no mad man. And the us does not have the largest standing army. If you're so worried about mad men with large armies why are you so silent on China? Surely china is a bigger threat to human rights and world, rather than trump and the states, right?
But sure cherry pick your politics to fit your narratives about whites and white countries



Tell me more about the USA being a "white country"  :wonka:


Founded by and is majority white.

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Re: Walls do work! [Re: Lophosaurus]
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kooks said:
lowbrow said:
Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
No, it's you who's really bad at math.  It's not 3,800 and 2,900 total murders.  It's that many per 100,000.


This is not a good thing.  There should always be more natives comitting more crimes than illegal aliens.  When the numbers are that close, there is a problem.



Pathetic


Why?
Stable Genius said:
It was a back handed comment for sure as you weren't getting it bro, even after it was explained reasonably :shrug:


Nobody explained shit.  You’ve basically admitted you’re talking out of your ass.
Brian Jones said:
That's a good point. If they built a wall, the Mexicans who wanted to go back with their American Dollars as they frequently do (as every nationality of immigrant frequently does) they wont be able to get back into Mexico. Damn shortsighted conservatives. They forgot to think this one through. Go figure.


How is that a bad thing?
koods said:
qman said:
koods said:
Quote:
Does the US have a problem with illegal immigration from the North? No, so stop with the theoretical race baiting nonsense.



Omg I’ve personally known at least a half dozen Canadians who have lived and worked in the US illegally. I bet it’s way more common than anyone knows.  But they’re white and they speak English well enough to pass as American so nobody even notices.

q 

They should be deported as well, but we both know it's not an issue to be very concerned about.


So illegals from the north are fine, but the ones from the south are a national emergency


Yes.
Lophosaurus said:
Cheap labor to rebuild our infrastructure helps everybody in the US including the 1%. If we only let in the richest and smartest people then who is going to do the work that they are too over-educated for?

Not everything is about economic growth. Some of these people are fleeing because their livelihood is in danger and we should let them in because of that, whether it helps fill your greedy pockets or not.

The immigrants that built the US came from all over the world. Literally every continent that has people. Some were invited, some were slaves, and some came illegally. Learn your history.

Sorry, but your ancestors aren't any better than people coming over the Southern border. Why are you bringing up that they are Polish? Because you're racist? Seriously, what does that have to do with anything? That is a stupid racist comment.

What shitfest? The fact that Trump has any amount of power and is causing chaos? Everything else seems to be going fine as usual except for Trumps racist followers whining about people coming in to the US.

I work with illegal people all the time and they are some hard workers and really nice people. If anything we should ship-out some of these privileged lazy citizens and let in more latin people.


Well.....We do have this wall that needs to be built.  Soon as they’re done we can throw them over the other side.


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Re: Walls do work! [Re: lowbrow]
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Well.....We do have this wall that needs to be built.  Soon as they’re done we can throw them over the other side.


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Yep, and then they will climb back over it, dig under it, or bring a battery bandsaw to cut through it. What would the point be? A wall is a dumb idea that will not work.

And what about that animals that need to migrate freely and need to reproduce there? How will the animal get through the wall?

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Re: Walls do work! [Re: Lophosaurus]
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Lophosaurus said:
Well.....We do have this wall that needs to be built.  Soon as they’re done we can throw them over the other side.


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Yep, and then they will climb back over it, dig under it, or bring a battery bandsaw to cut through it. What would the point be? A wall is a dumb idea that will not work.

And what about that animals that need to migrate freely and need to reproduce there? How will the animal get through the wall?</font>


Prove that walls wont work.

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Re: Walls do work! [Re: MagicMush123] * 1
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I think it was on page 1 of this thread that somebody got over the wall in like 12 seconds. The mexicans already have tunnels under the border. There was a section of steel wall that was cut big enough to get a person through. It looks like you could easily cut it with a battery bandsaw.

Have you ever seen some climb a coconut tree or telephone pole? You could just loop your belt through the slats and shimmy up the wall. Or ladder. Or grappling hook.

If your family was threatened by gangs and didn't have food and there was food and shelter on the other side of a wall would you be able to get there. Could you find a way over a wall to help your loved ones? If you traveled all the way from south america and you got to a wall would you go over it or turn back?


That is my proof that a wall won't work
That is why we should just document these people and let them in.

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Re: Walls do work! [Re: Lophosaurus]
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Lophosaurus said:
I think it was on page 1 of this thread that somebody got over the wall in like 12 seconds. The mexicans already have tunnels under the border. There was a section of steel wall that was cut big enough to get a person through. It looks like you could easily cut it with a battery bandsaw.

Have you ever seen some climb a coconut tree or telephone pole? You could just loop your belt through the slats and shimmy up the wall. Or ladder. Or grappling hook.

If your family was threatened by gangs and didn't have food and there was food and shelter on the other side of a wall would you be able to get there. Could you find a way over a wall to help your loved ones? If you traveled all the way from south america and you got to a wall would you go over it or turn back?


That is my proof that a wall won't work
That is why we should just document these people and let them in.


Oh that cherry picked vid? I already debunked that one. Good luck getting over a wall fast and efficiently while you just trekked across the desert and are spent physically and emotionally, all while border patrol is on your ass. Not to mention the wall would have spikes or barb.
I already said before that the wall wouldn't completely stop illegals. But it would definitely slow them down or at least out right stop many, right?
Can you deny that no matter what goes up, wall or slats, its  definitely an improvement to the current border, right?
We have current and historic examples of walls working. If you want to be ignorant to that information, then thats on you.

Yes, have a wall and enforce illegal immigration. Saying illegals are good is ridiculous. Saying that we need to document the ones that come makes perfect sense. If cheap labor is vital for America (agricultural) why not document and bring them in, they can work the season and after they get sent home? Canada does that.  Bringing in illegals to pick crops or whatever is irresponsible and is setting a bad precedent

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Re: Walls do work! [Re: Lophosaurus] * 1
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Lophosaurus said:
I think it was on page 1 of this thread that somebody got over the wall in like 12 seconds. The mexicans already have tunnels under the border. There was a section of steel wall that was cut big enough to get a person through. It looks like you could easily cut it with a battery bandsaw.




That’s exactly why we need a wall.  Not a scaleable fence.


Lophosaurus said:
Have you ever seen some climb a coconut tree or telephone pole? You could just loop your belt through the slats and shimmy up the wall. Or ladder. Or grappling hook.




We’re talking about a WALL.  Not a fence.  And not a coconut tree.


Lophosaurus said:
If your family was threatened by gangs and didn't have food and there was food and shelter on the other side of a wall would you be able to get there. Could you find a way over a wall to help your loved ones? If you traveled all the way from south america and you got to a wall would you go over it or turn back?




If shit is that bad on the other side of the fence, we definitely need a wall.


Lophosaurus said:
That is my proof that a wall won't work



Your proof sucks.


Lophosaurus said:
That is why we should just document these people and let them in.


Then we can all hold hands and sing ‘we shall overcome’?  Fuck that utopian bullshit.


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Re: Walls do work! [Re: MagicMush123]
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How many videos of people climbing walls do you need to see? If they are tired then they can take a nap and eat a power bar before the climb the wall.

Spikes on the top are easy. You just gently stretch your legs over them like climbing a chain link fence. Barbed wire is harder, but nothing some pliers can't cut through. Or you just put a blanket or piece of carpet on the barbed wire.

Yeah the wall will slow them down by 12 seconds. Great, that is really worth almost 6 billion dollars.

A wall in not an improvement. An open border is fine. We have to let the animals migrate. Ever heard of a food chain? Do you know that we are already in the middle of a mass extinction and you want to make it worse because you don't want mexicans living in your neighborhood for some racist reason.

The only comparable wall would be the Great Wall of China right? And that didn't keep the Mongolians out did it?

Illegals aren't good, I mean they're good people, but we need them paying taxes to use our roads and schools. Immigrants are good and if we would let these people in and document them then they would be immigrants and not illegals. And I don't see any problem with them staying here or working for a while and then going back.

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Re: Walls do work! [Re: Lophosaurus]
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The Berlin and Israel walls are great examples of walls in action.  And animals migration paths are a small cost to pay to keep illegal immigrants out. I think you're completely out of touch with reality if you think that open borders are good and you think that itll only take 12 seconds to scale. More like 12 minutes :lol: I know 6 billion seems like a lot, but trust me you will never notice it missing. The United states has an abyss full of money. Take 6 billion out the military budget and everyone will be happy

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Re: Walls do work! [Re: MagicMush123] * 1
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A wall isn't effective.  We could end illegal immigration tomorrow with legislation if we wanted to. It wouldn't cost a dime and it would save billions a year.


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