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Re: Have You Guys Forgotten? [Re: Morel Guy]
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Morel Guy said:
I take the poison to my head to much.

Hard to explain how hell is a comfort.

At least with plants you can sense a little more effect.  LSD is really unpredictable.

Then again who knows what's placebo effect.

The pineal gland is still a mystery.  I know it does some strange stuff without drugs.


its only a mystery as much as the rest of it all man, when you wake up and realize the implications of the fact things like the pineal gland, DMT, psilocybin exist at all period it opens a flood gate of questions about the true nature of our existence.

whats this stuff really all about? you dont know, i dont know, know one truly does in a way which can be expressed through words.

its all just in the mind of man to attempt to conceive and im gonna give it my best to try and conceive of it!


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Re: Have You Guys Forgotten? [Re: Connoisseur] * 1
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I kind of see where your coming from.... most of the regulars in the wca for example. they don't get shroomy. very often. in honor of this thread ima do an 1/8 lemon teked today..... shit I kind of want to any way...it's been two weeks since i had 5.3 mushie.


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Re: Have You Guys Forgotten? [Re: Connoisseur] * 1
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The law doesn't want change they don't control and they are really stupid at future planning.

Our local yocals and state people are pretty damn dumb about how they go about things.  It's like local is the dumbest local yocal, then state is a bit smarter and federal are the most dangerous.

I get afraid sometimes to just be aware of how real reality is.  Nobody likes to be interrogated.

There are just so many things that exist and once ya know your not that stupid anymore.  Although we can be pretty dumb to keep our secrets.

There are things are just never want to be asked about or talk about.  Never know when it's the right time to put that trash on someone else's karma.

Even when authority is helping us they try to get a confession.  They were asking me about weed in the ER.  Man I just don't mess around with that stuff anymore.  He was saying how his cop buddy likes weed.  Yet they all run when the feds come around.  How the NSA has files on us and man oh man is that usually filled with holes of secrets.  They could do that all day trying to get answers of what they probably already know.  It's hard to confirm things and sorta gets everyone fired.


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Re: Have You Guys Forgotten? [Re: Connoisseur] * 2
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I love my tryptamines over all else, and many of my most powerful experiences have been on them. But don't make the mistake to think the line is drawn because something is synthetically derived or not or not. nn DMT itself can be synthesized, as can 5-Meo-DMT and bufotenin. 4-Aco-DMT, an orally active tryptamine that is an RC, is quite the experience and one of my favorite chemicals by far.

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Re: Have You Guys Forgotten? [Re: psilly the kid] * 1
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psilly the kid said:
I kind of see where your coming from.... most of the regulars in the wca for example. they don't get shroomy. very often. in honor of this thread ima do an 1/8 lemon teked today..... shit I kind of want to any way...it's been two weeks since i had 5.3 mushie.


god bless you and have a beautiful experience!

also i want to wish you a beautiful experience to boomer, you should know by now i have nothing against synthetic compounds what so ever! they just arent living, breathing, thinking beings like things that live and die.

one day our bodies will be dust once again and one day that dust with hopefully grow some grass or some mushrooms or some trees and we will become the plants, this is the real secret to reincarnation.

our consciousness leaves our bodies in death and travels...where we dont know until we die but we know it travels, we know the energy of our flesh and blood is brought back into the earth as we decompose physically. that energy is turned into plants and minerals and those plants and minerals give life to the humans and animals of earth.

its a cycle, a lot of things in life are a cycle.


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Re: Have You Guys Forgotten? [Re: PatrickKn]
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PatrickKn said:
I love my tryptamines over all else, and many of my most powerful experiences have been on them. But don't make the mistake to think the line is drawn because something is synthetically derived or not or not. nn DMT itself can be synthesized, as can 5-Meo-DMT and bufotenin. 4-Aco-DMT, an orally active tryptamine that is an RC, is quite the experience and one of my favorite chemicals by far.


the line isnt drawn in what the effect on the human body and mind is, the line is drawn in the fact that we didnt create or invent the plants and that they were here before we were.

4-ACO-DMT didnt exist before a few years ago and it sure as hell never lived or died or communicated with any other form of life.

as far as the actual effects go on the person who takes the substance thats completely individual to whos doing it, when, why, with whom, for what purpose, at what age, under what context.

it would be silly for me to pretend that i could get the same experience from LSD that i get from psilocybin, NOTICE HOW THE WORDS BETTER OR WORSE ARE NOT BEING USED HERE.


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Re: Have You Guys Forgotten? [Re: Connoisseur] * 1
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Connoisseur said:
i like what you have to say! :sun:

thank you!

i hope more people are able to see the light and understand that these things live, breath, think and die just like we do

LSD and synthetic chemicals are lifeless they have only energies within them but no spirit

all that classic talk about "well plants create psychedelics as a defense mechanism so they dont get eaten" talk is total garbage to me, if that were true why are we forming an entire global online community off the growing and eating and researching of mushrooms and other psychedelic plants?

people are so lost today they have it in their heads that we command plants to grow for some reason...HA! WHAT A JOKE!

in reality plants command us to grow them and grow ourselves, thats whats really going here. they dont want to deter us they want to attract us and enlighten us!


or maybe its somerthing in between, ever heard of symbiosuis? shrooms tough me belance, to see nothing in absolutes but both sides of the coin and that they are really all the same and part of the big one thing that is everything (including nothing)


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Re: Have You Guys Forgotten? [Re: Boomer The Great]
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Boomer The Great said:
Mushrooms havent taught you jack shit, thats a fact.


I guess you mean that its more that they were a tool that put you in a state of mind to have your own realizations, not a distinct intelligent entity communicating with you yes? I suppose thats fair


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Re: Have You Guys Forgotten? [Re: polaritymind]
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yes! that exactly what it is! thank you!

:heart:

im giving you 5 shrooms for that!


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Re: Have You Guys Forgotten? [Re: Connoisseur] * 2
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Why do you draw the line there? There are plenty of reasons to do so, I'm trying to get at the root of what you're ranting though. Saying that LSD isn't like psilocybin is simply a given for anyone with enough experience in both.

That the plants were here before is of little or no consequence to anything in my mind, depending on the context of what we're discussing at least. 4-ACO-DMT would use biologically derived chemicals in it's synthesis in fact, it's not as if they synthesized it completely from inorganic compounds that never had life. LSD as well. So the argument is a moot point, many drugs are derived from chemicals that were at once inside a living host. Being alive at one point is not necessarily a prerequisite to anything though.

On another note, you're not even taking into account that a majority of drug producing plants/fungi have been bred to output more, and exist in companionship to humans in the first place. Despite the chemicals being here longer, the methods by which they act on us are still there despite it all.

Edited by PatrickKn (05/19/17 03:07 PM)

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Re: Have You Guys Forgotten? [Re: PatrickKn]
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ahh yes! im glad you mentioned that side of things!

well the reasons are many as i stated before but i will list them again

plants are older than humans
plants are born
plants die
plants communicate
plants grow
plants evolve
plants change
plants effect their environment
plants help us to exist and survive

need i go on?

LSD is not a fully synthetic chemical, neither is MDMA

these chemicals are altered versions of what exists in plants but why did we need to alter what was already perfect?

LSD has never lived, never died, never communicated

it has never nourished the body (although it does nourish the mind)
it has has been created by mans hands.

you guys need to learn more about the history and rich traditions of shamanic knowledge that go back to the days of prerecorded history

LSD and synthetic compounds have zero bearing on the history of man minus the past 100 or so years, 200 years ago the number of man made psychoactive compounds psychedelic or other wise was how many again?

anyone know????

oh yea thats right NONE!

anyone want to explore the topic of how its a mind bending miracle that our bodies and brains can even be receptive to these compounds at all?

why didnt we evolve past the point of them effecting us?

did they always effect us the way they do now?

look at how DMT needs an MAOI to be orally active

does that mean that other psychoactive compounds may be slipping through our fingers all the time because we havent been able to get them to cross the BBB like DMT doesnt without an MAOI?

also how the fuck did they discover ayahuasca in the first place?

anyone know?????

ohhh yea thats right they said it was other psychoactive plants that showed them how to make it! it was also the animals of the jungle that they observed eating certain plants as well!


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Re: Have You Guys Forgotten? [Re: PatrickKn] * 1
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wasn't there some research into mushies producing substituted tryptamines if fed the right precursers.


@Conn thanks for them good vibes.


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Re: Have You Guys Forgotten? [Re: psilly the kid]
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atta boy!

yes yes there was in fact i made a thread about that just the other day!!

very interesting stuff! what kind of implications does that have you think guys?

i havent thought about it really at all so i cant say but im interested to open the discussion up to it!


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Re: Have You Guys Forgotten? [Re: Connoisseur] * 1
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How do you know I'm not pretty well versed in shamanic practices, at the very least compared to yourself? Saying I need to learn more of it does not establish yourself as someone who is versed in it off the bat. Instead, talking about stuff that you've learned of those various traditions and how it relates to what you're trying to argue does. I could just as easily say you need to learn more trigonometry, but since you don't know much about it you'll never know why knowing more about it will give you insight into which psychedelic compounds are perfect or not.

Again, I need to ask your reasoning. You say that there were no man made psychedelic compounds prior to the previous couple centuries. But you haven't provided any reason why this is something to take into consideration, and why that makes the other forms more perfect than something else.

Edited by PatrickKn (05/19/17 03:27 PM)

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Re: Have You Guys Forgotten? [Re: PatrickKn]
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you have read my words completely wrong on multiple points

i didnt direct the term "you guys" personally at you first of all

second of all no ones talking shamanism in the pub ever and you know it, on this whole site entirely its rarely mentioned yet this site wouldnt have been created if it wasnt for generations of shamans before us

ive seen people here call shamanism quackery as a concept and discourage discussion of it, when in reality thats just certain people who are pretending to be shamans who are quacks

third of all I NEVER NOT ONCE said that anything was better, worse, or anything other than DIFFERENT when it comes to the demographic between plants and synthetic/semi-synthetic chemicals

what makes you guys think im sayin that is beyond me, but it sounds like peoples egos often get in the way of understanding that plants are living thinking creatures


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Re: Have You Guys Forgotten? [Re: PatrickKn] * 1
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I guess maybe its about harmony? Older thing are tried and teste, and humans have evolved alongside with it - like the ancient people that had the best shroom effects were most likely the ones that got most aout of it, reporoduced more, where more happy, had more psychologicaly healthy and cabable offspring etc - so in terms of coevoltion the shared symbiotic hystory can have its effects on us still -  I think in the end it does come down again to balance - man is neither just body nor just spirit, "real" natural things, the universe, usually comes balanced that way, LSD and other synthetics, back to the human as a comparison, have spirit but not body, see what I mean? This does go more into a spiritual, buddhist/hindu directiojn true, and you seem to be more scientifically oriented so its hard to explain what is meant - but the organic feeling of something being pradically handed to you effortlesly, (at least compared to chemical synthesis) being in interaction with nature, (the symbiosis thing again) not a chemist when taking this are all things some people consider important and things that people prefer


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Re: Have You Guys Forgotten? [Re: polaritymind] * 1
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also people stay calm, criticism is not ana attack but meant to help with growth, improving and questioning, getting worked up wont get us anywhere


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Re: Have You Guys Forgotten? [Re: polaritymind] * 5
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Hooray Shrooms!

I love them but don't feel the need to yap incessantly about them :shrug:


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Re: Have You Guys Forgotten? [Re: polaritymind] * 1
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i have a theory about the evolution of mushrooms and plants that i want to mention but im not sure if it deserves to be in this thread or its own thread because its its own concept entirely.

regardless im sure you guys will find it very interesting and im sure many of you will agree that my theory is correct because its all by scientifically confirmed.

should i post it in here?


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Re: Have You Guys Forgotten? [Re: Connoisseur] * 2
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mushrooms are the teachers, mescaline is the healer, and LSD is just magick on a tab.


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Edited by Sham87 (05/19/17 03:53 PM)

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