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Re: Political Cartoons [Re: hostileuniverse] * 2
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hostileuniverse said:
Bigbadwooof said:
hostileuniverse said:



... and conservatives are pro death penalty, and pro-life... What's your point? lmao


Libs have no problem killing innocent babies, yet they oppose executing mass murderers, serial rapists, pedophiles, so. theres that


Zygotes aren't babies, and neither are clumps of cells. If you want babies to be born to mothers who cant or won't care for them, only to be Kaysie Anthonied or hardened criminals who wind up on death row anyways, then you're the real sick fuck. I know you're all about worshiping the industrial establishment, and the porn industry requires girls without daddies to stay in business. I find it absolutely deplorable to mandate the birth of an unwanted child in an over populated world. Especially one where they aren't capable of getting the mental healthcare/therapy they need after years of neglect and impoverishment.

The death penalty has been shown to be far more costly than imprisoning someone for life. The death penalty has been shown to have killed innocent, wrongly convicted people. The death penalty has been fucked up often enough that it is inhumane. Life in prison wihout parole is a fate worth than death.

There is no upside.


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Re: Political Cartoons [Re: Bigbadwooof]
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Lol, zygotes? Clumps of cells? You really don't seem to know much about the issue, do you?

When PP is harvesting organs and selling them, I'm pretty sure it's further along than a "zygote"

It's so funny how libs become so fiscally conservative when it comes to punishing the worst criminals in our society, and the reason it costs so much is because of court costs, not because executions are so expensive, lol

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Re: Political Cartoons [Re: hostileuniverse]
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Lol, zygotes? Clumps of cells? You really don't seem to know much about the issue, do you?

When PP is harvesting organs and selling them, I'm pretty sure it's further along than a "zygote"

It's so funny how libs become so fiscally conservative when it comes to punishing the worst criminals in our society, and the reason it costs so much is because of court costs, not because executions are so expensive, lol


Yeah, and they are incapable of sourcing the drugs. I personally think a bullet to the dome is the most humane way to go. I think the court costs are necessary. There should be as much bureaucratic red tape as possible when we're talking about killing someone, when so many have been proven innocent after their deaths.

I have nothing against selling fetus organs. I don't even give a shit about the lackadaisical way they go about it. The fetus tissues are used for research to save lives, and make people's quality of life better.

I DO have a problem with bringing unwanted children into a cold callous world where the cards are already stacked against almost everyone on the planet.

I guess I have some sense of ethics, and you do not.

Also, this has nothing to do with being 'fiscally conservative'. It's about eliminating waste. Your Republican friends waste more money than democrats building structures worth 100's of millions of dollars that nobody will ever use, and will be demolished. I'd rather that money go to enriching a welfare queen who is going to spend the money in our economy, instead of a British contractor.

Democrats are just as opposed to waste as Republicans. I don't know where you get this crazy idea that Democrats like fiscal waste. Probably too much Rush Limbaugh filling your brain with intellectual rot.


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Re: Political Cartoons [Re: Bigbadwooof]
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babies to be born to mothers who can't or won't care for them, only to be Kaysie Anthonied or hardened criminals


kinda like Bush in Iraq, kill them before they kill us? preemptive strike to say?

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There should be as much bureaucratic red tape as possible when we're talking about killing someone


except when its a baby whose been convicted of no crime, right?

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I DO have a problem with bringing unwanted children into a cold callous world where the cards are already stacked against almost everyone on the planet.

I guess I have some sense of ethics, and you do not.


so killing babies before they have any chance at life is ethical? you must be a leftist, lol

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It's about eliminating waste


are you still talking about abortion?

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yeah, what a demon, did you know he's writing childrens books now?


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Re: Political Cartoons [Re: Bigbadwooof] * 1
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Re: Political Cartoons [Re: hostileuniverse] * 1
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hostileuniverse said:
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babies to be born to mothers who can't or won't care for them, only to be Kaysie Anthonied or hardened criminals


kinda like Bush in Iraq, kill them before they kill us? preemptive strike to say?


Not at all. I don't know how you can make that comparison whatsoever. Did you miss the 'Kaysie Anthonied' part? The point was about raising people in miserable conditions who have no shot at life in a callous world that is already a miserable place to be for most people who had a good upbringing.

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There should be as much bureaucratic red tape as possible when we're talking about killing someone


except when its a baby whose been convicted of no crime, right?


A fetus is not a baby. I said 'killing someone'.

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I DO have a problem with bringing unwanted children into a cold callous world where the cards are already stacked against almost everyone on the planet.

I guess I have some sense of ethics, and you do not.


so killing babies before they have any chance at life is ethical? you must be a leftist, lol


We're talking about fetuses. That's entirely different from a person who has been alive for decades and has consciousness.

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It's about eliminating waste


are you still talking about abortion?


Do you always have a need to play dumb? I was clearly talking about the death penalty. Were you speaking about abortion when you mentioned 'fiscal responsibility'? No, you weren't. If you have to play dumb to escape addressing an argument, chances are you are on the dumb side of the argument.

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yeah, what a demon, did you know he's writing childrens books now?


I didn't say he's a demon. Just an incredibly ill-informed pill popping junky who makes a living spreading propagandist intellectual rot and lies.


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Re: Political Cartoons [Re: Bigbadwooof]
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Not at all. I don't know how you can make that comparison whatsoever. Did you miss the 'Kaysie Anthonied' part? The point was about raising people in miserable conditions who have no shot at life in a callous world that is already a miserable place to be for most people who had a good upbringing.


The world sucks, so you're answer is to kill babies so they don't have to experience it, for their own good?

:carlinorgasm:


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Re: Political Cartoons [Re: hostileuniverse] * 1
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hostileuniverse said:
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Not at all. I don't know how you can make that comparison whatsoever. Did you miss the 'Kaysie Anthonied' part? The point was about raising people in miserable conditions who have no shot at life in a callous world that is already a miserable place to be for most people who had a good upbringing.


The world sucks, so you're answer is to kill babies so they don't have to experience it, for their own good?

:carlinorgasm:


My answer is to not have unwanted children raised in a world where their mother sees these eyes of her rapist every time she looks a them.

My answer is to allow a crack whore the right not to inflict her pain on her progeny.

My argument is simple and easy to understand. Your rephrasing of my argument serves only as a strawman. You didn't rephrase it because you don't understand it. You rephrased it to mischaracterize it, because you have no rebuttal.

Also, they are not babies. If they were babies, we would call them babies. They are fetuses. You don't call a toddler a man, do you?


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"No my dog won't bite you, tho it had the right to. You ought to give him credit, cuz he knows I woulda let him" - Modest Mouse (And Wooof!)
Every one of you should see this video.


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Re: Political Cartoons [Re: Bigbadwooof]
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My answer is to not have unwanted children raised in a world where their mother sees these eyes of her rapist every time she looks a them.



You don't oppose abortion in the cases that aren't rape or incest, so that's a strawman as less than 1% of abortions meet that criteria

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My argument is simple and easy to understand. Your rephrasing of my argument serves only as a strawman. You didn't rephrase it because you don't understand it. You rephrased it to mischaracterize it, because you have no rebuttal.


If it's not, then why is it when you kill a pregnant woman, the charge is DOUBLE homocide, either it is or isn't, this idea that you can pick and choose when and when it's not a life is ridiculous and disingenuous.


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Re: Political Cartoons [Re: hostileuniverse] * 1
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hostileuniverse said:
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My answer is to not have unwanted children raised in a world where their mother sees these eyes of her rapist every time she looks a them.



You don't oppose abortion in the cases that aren't rape or incest, so that's a strawman as less than 1% of abortions meet that criteria

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My argument is simple and easy to understand. Your rephrasing of my argument serves only as a strawman. You didn't rephrase it because you don't understand it. You rephrased it to mischaracterize it, because you have no rebuttal.


If it's not, then why is it when you kill a pregnant woman, the charge is DOUBLE homocide, either it is or isn't, this idea that you can pick and choose when and when it's not a life is ridiculous and disingenuous.


I didn't say it's not life. I said it's not a baby.

Can you not understand the argument that a child should not be brought into a world that is guaranteed to be utterly unloving or nurturing? Where it has no shot whatsoever at happiness? Where it is likely to go hungry, be resented, and neglected?

You pro-lifers are the same people who want to take away food assistance for the mothers of these children. You want to defund education for these children. You want to defund programs that prevent unwanted pregnancies in the first place (planned parenthood). You want to defund programs that provide healthcare for them.

You really are an unethical and insidious bunch. Many Christians essentially want babies to be a punishment for the crime of sex out of wedlock. They want to make children pay for the mistakes of their parents. I find it absolutely disgusting.


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"It is no measure of good health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society," - Jiddu Krishnamurti
FARTS
"No my dog won't bite you, tho it had the right to. You ought to give him credit, cuz he knows I woulda let him" - Modest Mouse (And Wooof!)
Every one of you should see this video.


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Re: Political Cartoons [Re: Bigbadwooof]
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I seem to have found an abortion debate!

Make my day or Castle laws exist in many states.  Under these laws a person is allowed to use lethal force in defense of their home and property.  An pregnancy can cost a woman her life and future.  While the chances of a woman dying during child birth grow smaller as technology advances some chance does still exist.  The risk increases as the women ages.

Regardless of the moral question, which I leave in the hands of the person I feel most capable of making that decision, the mother, the reality is that abortion is constitutional.  Right wing attempts to limit access to abortions primarily affects the poor, as money allows ease of travel.  Meaning that the governor's wife won't be as affected in the case of an accidental midlife pregnancy, as your average American.

Finally, I would argue, that if my daughter was pregnant and afraid to tell my wife and I and decided to have an abortion.  That I would prefer that she didn't have to go to the black market to find one.  Cases as above do happen in states that have made abortions inaccessible.  Due to poor medical practices by black market docotrs some of these cases have resulted in death of the young mother.  In other words, prohibition doesn't work.  Rather it's drugs or abortion.


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Re: Political Cartoons [Re: paperbackwriter]
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paperbackwriter said:
I seem to have found an abortion debate!

Make my day or Castle laws exist in many states.  Under these laws a person is allowed to use lethal force in defense of their home and property.  An pregnancy can cost a woman her life and future.  While the chances of a woman dying during child birth grow smaller as technology advances some chance does still exist.  The risk increases as the women ages.

Regardless of the moral question, which I leave in the hands of the person I feel most capable of making that decision, the mother, the reality is that abortion is constitutional.  Right wing attempts to limit access to abortions primarily affects the poor, as money allows ease of travel.  Meaning that the governor's wife won't be as affected in the case of an accidental midlife pregnancy, as your average American.

Finally, I would argue, that if my daughter was pregnant and afraid to tell my wife and I and decided to have an abortion.  That I would prefer that she didn't have to go to the black market to find one.  Cases as above do happen in states that have made abortions inaccessible.  Due to poor medical practices by black market docotrs some of these cases have resulted in death of the young mother.  In other words, prohibition doesn't work.  Rather it's drugs or abortion.


Yes. Making things illegal just moves them underground and endangers more lives.


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Re: Political Cartoons [Re: Bigbadwooof]
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there was a time when any post other than a cartoon would get you banned in this thread.

sadly, that time has passed.

take your argument somewhere else.


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Can you not understand the argument that a child should not be brought into a world that is guaranteed to be utterly unloving or nurturing? Where it has no shot whatsoever at happiness? Where it is likely to go hungry, be resented, and neglected?


You don't and cannot possibly know that, many unwanted pregnancies go on to lead very productive lives, many don't, but then, many wanted pregnancies also become worthless fucks, so there's that

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You pro-lifers are the same people who want to take away food assistance for the mothers of these children. You want to defund education for these children. You want to defund programs that prevent unwanted pregnancies in the first place (planned parenthood). You want to defund programs that provide healthcare for them.


That's a strawman argument, try to stay on topic

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the reality is that abortion is constitutional. 


Slavery was once found constitutional also, so there's that. Also citizens United is also constitutional, does that mean left wingers will stop fighting it? Nope, fact is, just because something is found constitutional, doesn't make it right.

Here my viewpoint, if libs want to kill their babies, at least have the intellectual honesty to call it what it is...


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prohibition doesn't work.  Rather it's drugs or abortion.


Really? Let's make everything legal then, drunk driving, murder, rape, because hey, people gonna do it anyway, right?


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Re: Political Cartoons [Re: hostileuniverse] * 1
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hostileuniverse said:
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You pro-lifers are the same people who want to take away food assistance for the mothers of these children. You want to defund education for these children. You want to defund programs that prevent unwanted pregnancies in the first place (planned parenthood). You want to defund programs that provide healthcare for them.


That's a strawman argument, try to stay on topic


It's not a strawman in the slightest lmao! A strawman argument is rephrasing someone else's argument in a way that makes it easy to knock down (Hence the term 'strawman', because you're not arguing with the real man, you're arguing with a fake version of his arguments).

Not only is it not a strawman, it is incredibly relevant. If you're not going to allow someone who is unable to support a child to have an abortion, and you feel that you should make that decision, then you should also take responsibility for that child's actual quality of life.

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Here my viewpoint, if libs want to kill their babies, at least have the intellectual honesty to call it what it is...


We call it 'abortion'. It's not baby killing, because it's not a baby.

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prohibition doesn't work.  Rather it's drugs or abortion.


Really? Let's make everything legal then, drunk driving, murder, rape, because hey, people gonna do it anyway, right?



In instances where less harm is caused by having something legal, it should be legal.


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Re: Political Cartoons [Re: Bigbadwooof] * 1
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Bigbadwooof said:
hostileuniverse said:
Here my viewpoint, if libs want to kill their babies, at least have the intellectual honesty to call it what it is...


We call it 'abortion'. It's not baby killing, because it's not a baby.


Exactly.  C'mon HS.  :shake:


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Re: Political Cartoons [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
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While it technically might be alive, it's certainly not a baby.  Is it ideal, no and is it morally justifiable probably not.  If that saves me from being robbed by that future human in 15 years and my tax money going towards taking care of it and raising the quality of life for everyone else that is currently alive then i'm for it.  Sometimes we have to be adults and make difficult choices that might not reflect idealistic utopian values.  BTW utopian means "a place which does not exist" it wasn't until recently did it take on the connotation of an idealistic world of no suffering and pure joy.


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Bernie Sanders estimated net worth is $330,507 in 2013.
http://www.opensecrets.org/pfds/summary.php?year=2013&cid=n00000528


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