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Re: Political Cartoons [Re: Bigbadwooof]
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Ending the Drug War would save us a lot of money too.  Both federally and locally.


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Re: Political Cartoons [Re: hostileuniverse]
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hostileuniverse said:
Before 1913, we had no federal income tax, won many wars and had robust economic growth. The assertion this country was "built on taxes" is ridiculous. This country was built on hard work and the opportunity for success, something you libs seem hellbent on destroying.


And Income taxes are the only form of taxes right?  Maybe we should go back to taxing only landowners and merchant importers like the good old days right?  But then we would have to listen to the Landed Elites cry about class warfare

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Re: Political Cartoons [Re: ballsalsa]
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ballsalsa said:
hostileuniverse said:
Before 1913, we had no federal income tax, won many wars and had robust economic growth. The assertion this country was "built on taxes" is ridiculous. This country was built on hard work and the opportunity for success, something you libs seem hellbent on destroying.


And Income taxes are the only form of taxes right?  Maybe we should go back to taxing only landowners and merchant importers like the good old days right?  But then we would have to listen to the Landed Elites cry about class warfare


I actually agree with that, but then we should also limit the right to vote to them as well. When the takers can vote to take from the makers. The system is fucked


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Re: Political Cartoons [Re: hostileuniverse]
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When the takers can vote to take from the makers. The system is fucked


agreed. Unfortunately, union strength is so low nowadays, that the "takers" get to hoard all the profits made from the sweat and work of those who ACTUALLY produce something.  You probably think that you are a "maker".  I would submit that the salespeople, detailers, service techs, receptionists, etc. working on your car lot (you were the used car dealer right?) are the "makers".  You collect the checks.("taker")

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Re: Political Cartoons [Re: ballsalsa]
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ballsalsa said:
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When the takers can vote to take from the makers. The system is fucked


agreed. Unfortunately, union strength is so low nowadays, that the "takers" get to hoard all the profits made from the sweat and work of those who ACTUALLY produce something.  You probably think that you are a "maker".  I would submit that the salespeople, detailers, service techs, receptionists, etc. working on your car lot (you were the used car dealer right?) are the "makers".  You collect the checks.("taker")


Do I remind you of a used car salesman?

You kinda remind me of a garbage man, not the driver either, the idiot hanging on the back, TAKING shit all day long!


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Re: Political Cartoons [Re: hostileuniverse] * 1
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oh, right, that was the guy who lied about a letter he got from SSI.  it can get confusing sometimes trying to remember which one of you guys is who.

As for me, you are kinda right about taking shit all day, since i spent the last decade or so doing plumbing work.  You know, building houses, keeping restaurants running, making sure that the owners of used car dealerships can use the bathroom, providing hot water so people can bathe comfortably, you know, "making".

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Re: Political Cartoons [Re: ballsalsa]
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ballsalsa said:
oh, right, that was the guy who lied about a letter he got from SSI.  it can get confusing sometimes trying to remember which one of you guys is who.

As for me, you are kinda right about taking shit all day, since i spent the last decade or so doing plumbing work.  You know, building houses, keeping restaurants running, making sure that the owners of used car dealerships can use the bathroom, providing hot water so people can bathe comfortably, you know, "making".


Mad props to the plumbers, I've considered that as well, cause even in a recession, people still need their toilets!


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Re: Political Cartoons [Re: hostileuniverse]
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yeah, but everyone wants a deal.  It's very frustrating when you tell someone that you will bring a new toilet to their house, remove and haul away the old one, and install the new one (correctly) for $100, and they come back with "but my gardener Jose said he would do it for $60".

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Re: Political Cartoons [Re: ballsalsa]
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Money -> Commodity -> More money

Money just magically appears!  We're certainly not exploiting labor!


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To knock their fairy castles down?  ~ Eliza Cook

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Re: Political Cartoons [Re: hostileuniverse] * 1
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hostileuniverse said:
ballsalsa said:
hostileuniverse said:
Before 1913, we had no federal income tax, won many wars and had robust economic growth. The assertion this country was "built on taxes" is ridiculous. This country was built on hard work and the opportunity for success, something you libs seem hellbent on destroying.


And Income taxes are the only form of taxes right?  Maybe we should go back to taxing only landowners and merchant importers like the good old days right?  But then we would have to listen to the Landed Elites cry about class warfare


I actually agree with that, but then we should also limit the right to vote to them as well. When the takers can vote to take from the makers. The system is fucked


Exactly! Socialism is the empowerment of labor. The current system has takers which consistently take from the makers. Investment bankers don't make any fucking product. CEO's don't produce shit either.

When labor has a voice in business the profits are spread more equitably. As we've seen with the German worker councils, workers do not elect to pay themselves disproportionate wages. As we've seen in corporate America, CEO's are the first fucking people to vote themselves a disproportionate share of profit.

It is the concentration of power in businesses that allows disproportionate wages to occur. The takers take too much. They make themselves the disproportionate beneficiaries of other people's labor. These people are the leaches of society.

Many of them don't even pay the same tax rate as their secretaries, but they take corporate welfare and suck the tax payer dry, because they have the lobby power to do it.

This is all over your head, and I'm mostly saying it for people who understand it, but it's really quite a simple subject.

Edited by Bigbadwooof (10/30/15 03:32 PM)

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Re: Political Cartoons [Re: hostileuniverse]
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hostileuniverse said:
Before 1913, we had no federal income tax, won many wars and had robust economic growth. The assertion this country was "built on taxes" is ridiculous. This country was built on hard work and the opportunity for success, something you libs seem hellbent on destroying.


The United States didn't become a player on the world stage until after 1913.  The US made a shit ton of money selling arms for WWI.


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Re: Political Cartoons [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
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Cognitive_Shift said:
hostileuniverse said:
Before 1913, we had no federal income tax, won many wars and had robust economic growth. The assertion this country was "built on taxes" is ridiculous. This country was built on hard work and the opportunity for success, something you libs seem hellbent on destroying.


The United States didn't become a player on the world stage until after 1913.  The US made a shit ton of money selling arms for WWI.


lol... I was thinking the exact same thing as I was re-reading his post. Won many wars? With who? Mexico? lol... Yeah, we won Texas. We won the civil war... That was kindof inevitable. The revolutionary war...


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Re: Political Cartoons [Re: Bigbadwooof]
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Exactly! Socialism is the empowerment of labor. The current system has takers which consistently take from the makers. Investment bankers don't make any fucking product. CEO's don't produce shit either.


Your understanding is astounding, is this one of those posts that declare ceo's should make the same as the guy on the assembly line?

Enlighten me, what exactly do you think an investment banker does?

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It is the concentration of power in businesses that allows disproportionate wages to occur. The takers take too much. They make themselves the disproportionate beneficiaries of other people's labor. These people are the leaches of society.


Yet, you want to put even more concentration of power into the federal govt, who actually get wealthy off the backs of the poor

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Many of them don't even pay the same tax rate as their secretaries, but they take corporate welfare and suck the tax payer dry, because they have the lobby power to do it.


And who sets tax rates? Your benevolent govt does, lol


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Re: Political Cartoons [Re: hostileuniverse]
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hostileuniverse said:
is this one of those posts that declare ceo's should make the same as the guy on the assembly line?


He never claimed that, nor did any other liberal here.  Stop the straw man arguments.


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Re: Political Cartoons [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Who do you guys like to win the Super Bowl this season?


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Re: Political Cartoons [Re: zorbman]
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the NFL is garbage. 

you made the tread about needing more moderators around here right?
if you want to stay on topic so bad, why don't you post a cartoon?
be the change you want to see in the world.

if that wasn't you, then disregard this post.

except the part about the NFL being garbage

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Re: Political Cartoons [Re: zorbman]
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zorbman said:
Who do you guys like to win the Super Bowl this season?


Dallas Cowboys! FTW!


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Re: Political Cartoons [Re: hostileuniverse]
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hostileuniverse said:



... and conservatives are pro death penalty, and pro-life... What's your point? lmao


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"No my dog won't bite you, tho it had the right to. You ought to give him credit, cuz he knows I woulda let him" - Modest Mouse (And Wooof!)
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Re: Political Cartoons [Re: Bigbadwooof]
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Bigbadwooof said:
hostileuniverse said:



... and conservatives are pro death penalty, and pro-life... What's your point? lmao


Libs have no problem killing innocent babies, yet they oppose executing mass murderers, serial rapists, pedophiles, so. theres that


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