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Re: Great Political Cartoon [Re: silversoul7]
    #2260661 - 01/21/04 05:43 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

did you misread what i said?


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Re: Great Political Cartoon [Re: ]
    #2260672 - 01/21/04 05:47 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

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mushmaster said:
did you misread what i said?



No, but I might have misinterpreted it based on who you were replying to.


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Re: Great Political Cartoon [Re: ]
    #2260683 - 01/21/04 05:50 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

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i think what he's supporting is the idea that civil rights were championed by what we call liberals. i think he's correct to say that




oh i agree, i'm just playing devil's advocate but not all conservatives were against the civil rights movement just as not all democrates were for it.


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Re: Great Political Cartoon [Re: silversoul7]
    #2260684 - 01/21/04 05:50 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

i was replying to innvertigo and i was referring to you.


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Re: Great Political Cartoon [Re: ]
    #2260694 - 01/21/04 05:53 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

Oh wait. I did misread what you said.


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Re: Great Political Cartoon [Re: silversoul7]
    #2260719 - 01/21/04 06:04 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

welcome to the conversation :wink:


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Re: Great Political Cartoon [Re: HATU]
    #2261133 - 01/21/04 08:53 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

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"I dont really like reading this cartoon. I dont like people who bitch about the color of their skin either."
No Shit!?! You're really from the south east? I can't fucking believe it!



I am from Atlanta and I must tell you that people bitch about the color of their skin a lot. I have been called a racist (which I am not in any way shape or form) so many times I can't even count them all. There are a lot of racists down here, but there are even more people who think every white person is a racist trying to hold them down. It really gets old. Sorry for the rant.


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Re: Great Political Cartoon [Re: z@z.com]
    #2261321 - 01/21/04 09:48 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

Yes. Liberals. Many Democrats may have opposed civil rights, but they were DEMOCRATS, not liberals. It was the conservatives at the time of the American Revolution who favored (or should I say 'favoured') continuing answering to the king. That's what the fuck I'm talking about. You can argue this all you want but you have to accept that liberals are the reason for civil and worker's rights. Conservatives might not all be racists, but all racists are conservatives.


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Re: Great Political Cartoon [Re: SlapnutRob]
    #2262130 - 01/22/04 05:16 AM (16 years, 5 months ago)

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Conservatives might not all be racists, but all racists are conservatives.




i can't believe you believe this. I know many liberals who are what many call racists. Racists come in all colors and national origins, to say otherwise is just mere generalization.

It's like saying all racists are white because most black people are liberal...sad


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Re: Great Political Cartoon [Re: Innvertigo]
    #2262615 - 01/22/04 11:19 AM (16 years, 5 months ago)

It's totally inconsistent with a liberal ideology to be a racist. Just look at the organizations. KKK... any Neo Nazis... many rednecks... ALL hard-righters. Give me ONE liberal who believes in racial supremacy or segregation... it just doesn't make sense.

And it's not quite like saying all racists are white because most black people are liberal. I think anyone who is a racist and calls themself liberal has some major inconsistencies to deal with.

I have a conservative friend who is a racist, and I hate him for it. He would agree with everything I have said here. He doesn't think liberals make sense, and to him racial issues are just another issue we don't get. He actually believes that racists are a "silent majority" and that I'm totally out of touch by thinking otherwise. That's the mind of a racist.


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Re: Great Political Cartoon [Re: SlapnutRob]
    #2262646 - 01/22/04 11:35 AM (16 years, 5 months ago)

What do you call someone who believes that blacks and latinos are not equipped to make it without help from the white man's government? What do you call the same people who think that orientals, whites and jews don't deserve the same help? RACISTS.

Affirmative action is a racist program and people who support it are racists. Many liberals are racists. Not the cross burning kind, but the paternalistic kind who think that certain people of other races are too stupid or lack the will to make it without their help.


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Re: Great Political Cartoon [Re: SlapnutRob]
    #2262649 - 01/22/04 11:36 AM (16 years, 5 months ago)

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It's totally inconsistent with a liberal ideology to be a racist. Just look at the organizations. KKK... any Neo Nazis... many rednecks... ALL hard-righters.




You're using a flat scale to determine a belief system? The KKK doesn't represent neither the conservatives nor the liberals, to say so is just plain wrong. I know many LIBERALS on the asembly line that are just as ignorant as those rednecks you bring up.

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Give me ONE liberal who believes in racial supremacy or segregation... it just doesn't make sense.




The black panthers comes to mind. Go to detroit and you'll witness MANY racist of just aboot any color. While you're down there go a little further south to Dearborne and you'l find many Arabs that associate themselves with liberal organizations who would like nothing more than to see jews be wiped off the face of the Earth. I'm not debating to wether or not there are racists on the right because there are but your generalizations are based on just that, stereotypes and broad brush thinking.

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I have a conservative friend who is a racist, and I hate him for it.




so that means ALL conservatives are racists? Am i a racist? If so give me an example of me being one. (while i'm not really a conservative i do get branded as one)

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He doesn't think liberals make sense




he would not be alone in this accusation. Liberal philosophy is lazy IMHO.

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He actually believes that racists are a "silent majority" and that I'm totally out of touch by thinking otherwise.




Your friend would be wrong, i know many conservatives that are the kindest people you'll ever meet towards all colors. None of my friends EVER use the word "nigger" nor discuss ways of eliminating minorities, i think that's what many on the left would like to believe but as i stated, liberal philosophy is lazy.


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Re: Great Political Cartoon [Re: Innvertigo]
    #2262982 - 01/22/04 02:18 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

First off, Evolving, Give me a fucking break. It's ridiculous to say AA is racist... you're just redefining the term to meet your own ends.

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You're using a flat scale to determine a belief system? The KKK doesn't represent neither the conservatives nor the liberals, to say so is just plain wrong. I know many LIBERALS on the asembly line that are just as ignorant as those rednecks you bring up.



The KKK doesn't represent conservatives holistically, but they definitely are conservatives. They're on the far right, along with yer southern rednecks and such. I'm sure you're right about the liberals... I see many people on this board that disappoint me.

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so that means ALL conservatives are racists? Am i a racist? If so give me an example of me being one. (while i'm not really a conservative i do get branded as one)



I believe I stated earlier that all conservatives aren't racist. In fact, I think it's definitely a minority. However, I still believe that racism is a trait of a conservative ideology. As far as you being a conservative, I've always thought you were a libertarian like many of the others on this board. Being on this board, you obviously favor the government being the fuck out of our business, and I'm guessing you agree with progressives like myself that pot should be legal. It's the Christian right that's preventing these common sense changes from being implemented.

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he would not be alone in this accusation. Liberal philosophy is lazy IMHO.



I believe the contrary. I think a lot of conservatives go for the simple explanation a lot of the time. For example, blacks don't make as much money or do as well in school as whites. Conservative conclusion: It's their fault. It takes no research or thinking to come to that. Liberals like myself recognize and consider the myriad contributing factors, like their history, the ghetto that they're often forced to live in and institutional racism.

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Your friend would be wrong, i know many conservatives that are the kindest people you'll ever meet towards all colors. None of my friends EVER use the word "nigger" nor discuss ways of eliminating minorities, i think that's what many on the left would like to believe but as i stated, liberal philosophy is lazy.



I agree. I met a Republican friend at school this past year who's one of the nicest people I've met. We talk all the time online. We debate on everything and there's no hostility. I love it. Also, that admitted racist conservative friend of mine is one of my best friends, even though his ideas disgust me.

I don't have much beef with traditional conservatives or libertarians, but I despise neo cons and the Xian right. And of course racists of all kinds.


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Re: Great Political Cartoon [Re: SlapnutRob]
    #2263142 - 01/22/04 03:25 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

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It's ridiculous to say AA is racist... you're just redefining the term to meet your own ends.




No, he's 100% right. Treating people differently based on their skin color is as racist as it gets. Treating people as incompetent based on their skin color is racist.


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Re: Great Political Cartoon [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #2263149 - 01/22/04 03:27 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

Using quote function properly=k3y


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Re: Great Political Cartoon [Re: silversoul7]
    #2263151 - 01/22/04 03:29 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

Missed where the cursor was. Thanks.

It doesn't change the fact that AA is, was and shall remain.... racist.


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Re: Great Political Cartoon [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #2263156 - 01/22/04 03:35 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

My problem with AA isn't so much that it's racist as the fact that it fails to get at the root of the problem it's trying to solve.


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Re: Great Political Cartoon [Re: silversoul7]
    #2263203 - 01/22/04 04:00 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

My problem with Quotas/AA (among a million other things) is that it discredits other minorities such as Asians and Indians (who have suffered as well). Apparantly the only races that qualifies for AA are Black and Latino (just a perception). Another thing that's funny is that a minority, rich or poor, can step in front of the line when they apply to colleges... I'll be voting against AA when it goes on the ballot here in Michigan concerning public colleges.

It should be based on nothing but test scores or the most qualified person.


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Re: Great Political Cartoon [Re: Innvertigo]
    #2263207 - 01/22/04 04:02 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

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It should be based on nothing but test scores.



So you mean grades, class standing, etc. shouldn't count?


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Re: Great Political Cartoon [Re: silversoul7]
    #2263254 - 01/22/04 04:14 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

I think i worded that wrong.

What i meant is for colleges it should only be based on the grade point average. In the professional world it should be only based on WHO is more qualified for the job.


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