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OfflineSlapnutRob
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Great Political Cartoon
    #2257965 - 01/20/04 10:09 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

Anyone here read the Boondocks? Awesome comic. And so true.



Has anyone else ever noticed that all the important advances in our history have come from LIBERAL movements? Civil Rights for minorities and women.... worker's rights... the fucking REVOLUTIONARY WAR??

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Re: Great Political Cartoon [Re: SlapnutRob]
    #2258044 - 01/20/04 10:35 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

if the fathers of the american revolution voiced their opinions today, they would be branded as extreme rightwingers... hardcore libertarians. they were mostly all classical liberals, which is entirely different from todays usage of the term "liberal".


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Re: Great Political Cartoon [Re: ]
    #2258172 - 01/20/04 11:00 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

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if the fathers of the american revolution voiced their opinions today, they would be branded as extreme rightwingers... hardcore libertarians. they were mostly all classical liberals, which is entirely different from todays usage of the term "liberal".



To which forefathers are you referring?  People talk about "the forefathers" as if they all had the same opinions. :smirk:


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Re: Great Political Cartoon [Re: SlapnutRob]
    #2258201 - 01/20/04 11:05 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

Check this out, there's a new one every week. Certainly on par with Boondocks.
http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0403/sutton.php


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Re: Great Political Cartoon [Re: SlapnutRob]
    #2258241 - 01/20/04 11:16 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

I dont really like reading this cartoon. I dont like people who bitch about the color of their skin either.

SSoul, founding fathers = the dudes who signed the papers.


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Re: Great Political Cartoon [Re: OctopusDr]
    #2258282 - 01/20/04 11:28 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

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SSoul, founding fathers = the dudes who signed the papers.



Even if that is your definition(which I don't think is broad enough), even those people disagreed with each other. The Constitution was essentially a compromise between those who wanted a strong federal government(like Alexander Hamilton) and those who favored states' rights(like Thomas Jefferson).


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Re: Great Political Cartoon [Re: SlapnutRob]
    #2258628 - 01/21/04 12:57 AM (16 years, 5 months ago)

the GOP elephant ..dont let this happen to you ..



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Re: Great Political Cartoon [Re: OctopusDr]
    #2258673 - 01/21/04 01:10 AM (16 years, 5 months ago)

"I dont really like reading this cartoon. I dont like people who bitch about the color of their skin either."
No Shit!?! You're really from the south east? I can't fucking believe it!


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Re: Great Political Cartoon [Re: SlapnutRob]
    #2258998 - 01/21/04 05:00 AM (16 years, 5 months ago)

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Civil Rights for minorities and women




is that why liberals like Al Gore, Sr., together with the rest of the southern Democrats, voted against the Civil Rights Act of 1964?

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the fucking REVOLUTIONARY WAR??




What the fuck are you talking aboot?


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Re: Great Political Cartoon [Re: Innvertigo]
    #2259727 - 01/21/04 12:26 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

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Civil Rights for minorities and women




is that why liberals like Al Gore, Sr., together with the rest of the southern Democrats, voted against the Civil Rights Act of 1964?



Don't confuse the terms "liberal" and "Democrat." In fact, that act caused many racist Southern Democrats to defect to the Republican party. The defection of the South was more or less complete by Nixon's second term. When Johnson signed the Civil Rights Act, he said, "We just lost the South to the Republicans for a long time to come."


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Re: Great Political Cartoon [Re: silversoul7]
    #2260106 - 01/21/04 02:33 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

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Don't confuse the terms "liberal" and "Democrat." In fact, that act caused many racist Southern Democrats to defect to the Republican party.




That doesn't answer the questions as to why Al Gore Sr. voted against it. Why is that?


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Re: Great Political Cartoon [Re: Annapurna1]
    #2260112 - 01/21/04 02:34 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)



you sure could grow alot of cubies from that pile.  :mushroom2:


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    #2260166 - 01/21/04 02:48 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: Great Political Cartoon [Re: Innvertigo]
    #2260281 - 01/21/04 03:40 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

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Don't confuse the terms "liberal" and "Democrat." In fact, that act caused many racist Southern Democrats to defect to the Republican party.




That doesn't answer the questions as to why Al Gore Sr. voted against it. Why is that?



Maybe because Al Gore Sr. is completely irrelevant to any discussion of contemporary politics?


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Re: Great Political Cartoon [Re: silversoul7]
    #2260522 - 01/21/04 05:07 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

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Maybe because Al Gore Sr. is completely irrelevant to any discussion of contemporary politics?




It is when you make accusation of "just the racist congressmen" voted against the act, when in fact MANY democrates stood in the way of Civil rights. My point is merely to demonstrate that liberals/democrats aren't exactly the bastion of morality.


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Re: Great Political Cartoon [Re: Innvertigo]
    #2260539 - 01/21/04 05:11 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

Many of those who opposed the Civil Rights Act but weren't necessarily racist did so because they thought it violated State Rights.


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Re: Great Political Cartoon [Re: silversoul7]
    #2260622 - 01/21/04 05:33 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

How could you tell the difference between the racist ones and those that opposed it due to state rights?

as in your previous post:
"In fact, that act caused many racist Southern Democrats to defect to the Republican party"


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Re: Great Political Cartoon [Re: Innvertigo]
    #2260643 - 01/21/04 05:38 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

Ok, maybe I can't. But it is interesting that most of the Democrats who opposed it lived in the South, where all this discrimination was taking place. Maybe Al Gore Sr. was a racist. How should I know?


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    #2260644 - 01/21/04 05:39 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

i think what he's supporting is the idea that civil rights were championed by what we call liberals. i think he's correct to say that.


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Re: Great Political Cartoon [Re: ]
    #2260655 - 01/21/04 05:41 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

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i think what he's supporting is the idea that civil rights were championed by what we call liberals. i think he's correct to say that.



Not at all. The Southern Democrats at the time were by and large rather conservative. A perfect example is Alabama governor George Wallace(who later founded the American Independent party). He was a conservative Democrat, and was the one who had the police dogs set loose on the Civil Rights marchers in Birmingham.


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Re: Great Political Cartoon [Re: silversoul7]
    #2260661 - 01/21/04 05:43 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

did you misread what i said?


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Re: Great Political Cartoon [Re: ]
    #2260672 - 01/21/04 05:47 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

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did you misread what i said?



No, but I might have misinterpreted it based on who you were replying to.


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Re: Great Political Cartoon [Re: ]
    #2260683 - 01/21/04 05:50 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

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i think what he's supporting is the idea that civil rights were championed by what we call liberals. i think he's correct to say that




oh i agree, i'm just playing devil's advocate but not all conservatives were against the civil rights movement just as not all democrates were for it.


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Re: Great Political Cartoon [Re: silversoul7]
    #2260684 - 01/21/04 05:50 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

i was replying to innvertigo and i was referring to you.


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    #2260694 - 01/21/04 05:53 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

Oh wait. I did misread what you said.


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Re: Great Political Cartoon [Re: silversoul7]
    #2260719 - 01/21/04 06:04 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

welcome to the conversation :wink:


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Re: Great Political Cartoon [Re: HATU]
    #2261133 - 01/21/04 08:53 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

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"I dont really like reading this cartoon. I dont like people who bitch about the color of their skin either."
No Shit!?! You're really from the south east? I can't fucking believe it!



I am from Atlanta and I must tell you that people bitch about the color of their skin a lot. I have been called a racist (which I am not in any way shape or form) so many times I can't even count them all. There are a lot of racists down here, but there are even more people who think every white person is a racist trying to hold them down. It really gets old. Sorry for the rant.


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Re: Great Political Cartoon [Re: z@z.com]
    #2261321 - 01/21/04 09:48 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

Yes. Liberals. Many Democrats may have opposed civil rights, but they were DEMOCRATS, not liberals. It was the conservatives at the time of the American Revolution who favored (or should I say 'favoured') continuing answering to the king. That's what the fuck I'm talking about. You can argue this all you want but you have to accept that liberals are the reason for civil and worker's rights. Conservatives might not all be racists, but all racists are conservatives.


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Re: Great Political Cartoon [Re: SlapnutRob]
    #2262130 - 01/22/04 05:16 AM (16 years, 5 months ago)

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Conservatives might not all be racists, but all racists are conservatives.




i can't believe you believe this. I know many liberals who are what many call racists. Racists come in all colors and national origins, to say otherwise is just mere generalization.

It's like saying all racists are white because most black people are liberal...sad


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Re: Great Political Cartoon [Re: Innvertigo]
    #2262615 - 01/22/04 11:19 AM (16 years, 5 months ago)

It's totally inconsistent with a liberal ideology to be a racist. Just look at the organizations. KKK... any Neo Nazis... many rednecks... ALL hard-righters. Give me ONE liberal who believes in racial supremacy or segregation... it just doesn't make sense.

And it's not quite like saying all racists are white because most black people are liberal. I think anyone who is a racist and calls themself liberal has some major inconsistencies to deal with.

I have a conservative friend who is a racist, and I hate him for it. He would agree with everything I have said here. He doesn't think liberals make sense, and to him racial issues are just another issue we don't get. He actually believes that racists are a "silent majority" and that I'm totally out of touch by thinking otherwise. That's the mind of a racist.


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Re: Great Political Cartoon [Re: SlapnutRob]
    #2262646 - 01/22/04 11:35 AM (16 years, 5 months ago)

What do you call someone who believes that blacks and latinos are not equipped to make it without help from the white man's government? What do you call the same people who think that orientals, whites and jews don't deserve the same help? RACISTS.

Affirmative action is a racist program and people who support it are racists. Many liberals are racists. Not the cross burning kind, but the paternalistic kind who think that certain people of other races are too stupid or lack the will to make it without their help.


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Re: Great Political Cartoon [Re: SlapnutRob]
    #2262649 - 01/22/04 11:36 AM (16 years, 5 months ago)

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It's totally inconsistent with a liberal ideology to be a racist. Just look at the organizations. KKK... any Neo Nazis... many rednecks... ALL hard-righters.




You're using a flat scale to determine a belief system? The KKK doesn't represent neither the conservatives nor the liberals, to say so is just plain wrong. I know many LIBERALS on the asembly line that are just as ignorant as those rednecks you bring up.

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Give me ONE liberal who believes in racial supremacy or segregation... it just doesn't make sense.




The black panthers comes to mind. Go to detroit and you'll witness MANY racist of just aboot any color. While you're down there go a little further south to Dearborne and you'l find many Arabs that associate themselves with liberal organizations who would like nothing more than to see jews be wiped off the face of the Earth. I'm not debating to wether or not there are racists on the right because there are but your generalizations are based on just that, stereotypes and broad brush thinking.

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I have a conservative friend who is a racist, and I hate him for it.




so that means ALL conservatives are racists? Am i a racist? If so give me an example of me being one. (while i'm not really a conservative i do get branded as one)

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He doesn't think liberals make sense




he would not be alone in this accusation. Liberal philosophy is lazy IMHO.

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He actually believes that racists are a "silent majority" and that I'm totally out of touch by thinking otherwise.




Your friend would be wrong, i know many conservatives that are the kindest people you'll ever meet towards all colors. None of my friends EVER use the word "nigger" nor discuss ways of eliminating minorities, i think that's what many on the left would like to believe but as i stated, liberal philosophy is lazy.


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Re: Great Political Cartoon [Re: Innvertigo]
    #2262982 - 01/22/04 02:18 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

First off, Evolving, Give me a fucking break. It's ridiculous to say AA is racist... you're just redefining the term to meet your own ends.

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You're using a flat scale to determine a belief system? The KKK doesn't represent neither the conservatives nor the liberals, to say so is just plain wrong. I know many LIBERALS on the asembly line that are just as ignorant as those rednecks you bring up.



The KKK doesn't represent conservatives holistically, but they definitely are conservatives. They're on the far right, along with yer southern rednecks and such. I'm sure you're right about the liberals... I see many people on this board that disappoint me.

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so that means ALL conservatives are racists? Am i a racist? If so give me an example of me being one. (while i'm not really a conservative i do get branded as one)



I believe I stated earlier that all conservatives aren't racist. In fact, I think it's definitely a minority. However, I still believe that racism is a trait of a conservative ideology. As far as you being a conservative, I've always thought you were a libertarian like many of the others on this board. Being on this board, you obviously favor the government being the fuck out of our business, and I'm guessing you agree with progressives like myself that pot should be legal. It's the Christian right that's preventing these common sense changes from being implemented.

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he would not be alone in this accusation. Liberal philosophy is lazy IMHO.



I believe the contrary. I think a lot of conservatives go for the simple explanation a lot of the time. For example, blacks don't make as much money or do as well in school as whites. Conservative conclusion: It's their fault. It takes no research or thinking to come to that. Liberals like myself recognize and consider the myriad contributing factors, like their history, the ghetto that they're often forced to live in and institutional racism.

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Your friend would be wrong, i know many conservatives that are the kindest people you'll ever meet towards all colors. None of my friends EVER use the word "nigger" nor discuss ways of eliminating minorities, i think that's what many on the left would like to believe but as i stated, liberal philosophy is lazy.



I agree. I met a Republican friend at school this past year who's one of the nicest people I've met. We talk all the time online. We debate on everything and there's no hostility. I love it. Also, that admitted racist conservative friend of mine is one of my best friends, even though his ideas disgust me.

I don't have much beef with traditional conservatives or libertarians, but I despise neo cons and the Xian right. And of course racists of all kinds.


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Re: Great Political Cartoon [Re: SlapnutRob]
    #2263142 - 01/22/04 03:25 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

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It's ridiculous to say AA is racist... you're just redefining the term to meet your own ends.




No, he's 100% right. Treating people differently based on their skin color is as racist as it gets. Treating people as incompetent based on their skin color is racist.


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Re: Great Political Cartoon [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #2263149 - 01/22/04 03:27 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

Using quote function properly=k3y


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Re: Great Political Cartoon [Re: silversoul7]
    #2263151 - 01/22/04 03:29 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

Missed where the cursor was. Thanks.

It doesn't change the fact that AA is, was and shall remain.... racist.


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Re: Great Political Cartoon [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #2263156 - 01/22/04 03:35 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

My problem with AA isn't so much that it's racist as the fact that it fails to get at the root of the problem it's trying to solve.


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    #2263203 - 01/22/04 04:00 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

My problem with Quotas/AA (among a million other things) is that it discredits other minorities such as Asians and Indians (who have suffered as well). Apparantly the only races that qualifies for AA are Black and Latino (just a perception). Another thing that's funny is that a minority, rich or poor, can step in front of the line when they apply to colleges... I'll be voting against AA when it goes on the ballot here in Michigan concerning public colleges.

It should be based on nothing but test scores or the most qualified person.


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    #2263207 - 01/22/04 04:02 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

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It should be based on nothing but test scores.



So you mean grades, class standing, etc. shouldn't count?


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    #2263254 - 01/22/04 04:14 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

I think i worded that wrong.

What i meant is for colleges it should only be based on the grade point average. In the professional world it should be only based on WHO is more qualified for the job.


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    #2263290 - 01/22/04 04:26 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

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First off, Evolving, Give me a fucking break. It's ridiculous to say AA is racist... you're just redefining the term to meet your own ends



Please explain to me how giving preferential treatment to someone on the basis of their race is not racist.

From hyperdictionary,
RACIST - [adj] discriminatory especially on the basis of race or religion


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    #2264457 - 01/23/04 12:28 AM (16 years, 5 months ago)

I'm fine with getting rid of the AA system at U of M as long as they get rid of all the points that favor white people unfairly like points for having alumni in the family, coming from a rural area, or for being an athlete (believe it or not, the majority of scholarships go to whites). If they just get rid of the minority points, black enrollment (which isn't as high as you might think) would shoot to nearly zero.

And I wll continue to hold that AA is not racist. Racism is hatred towards another race... it's a belief in racial supremacy... Affirmative Action is ideally meant to level the playing field, and you know that.


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    #2264931 - 01/23/04 05:01 AM (16 years, 5 months ago)

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like points for having alumni in the family




doesn't that also benefit blacks as well? Black alumni that is. Personally i don't think an alumni should be given (i think it's onlya couple points they get) any help to a public university.

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If they just get rid of the minority points, black enrollment (which isn't as high as you might think) would shoot to nearly zero.




then so be it. If a minority doesn't qualify then they don't go. I'm sure there are more whites that DON'T make it in as there are BLACKS that don't make it in.


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    #2265447 - 01/23/04 10:39 AM (16 years, 5 months ago)

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And I wll continue to hold that AA is not racist.



Please explain to me how giving preferential treatment to someone on the basis of their race is not racist in light of the fact that racist is defined as 'discriminatory especially on the basis of race or religion.'

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Affirmative Action is ideally meant to level the playing field, and you know that.



Ideally, ischmeally? I believe that a great number of people support it precisely because it is racist, because they unfairly believe in racial guilt and want to punish white people as a race or because in their liberal paternalistic minds, certain races couldn't make it without their enlightened help (it just makes them feel so goooooood about themselves to help those poor backward races) . It doesn't 'level the playing field,' it is an institutionalized discriminatory practice. Use the typical liberal practice of redefinition of terms all you want, discriminatory practices based on race are racist.

Do you think that the government should 'level the playing field' in professional basketball by forcing the teams to hire more whites and Orientals? Let's get away from ridiculous games. Do you think that institutions should 'level the playing field' by giving engineering degrees to people with extra chromosomes regardless of their qualifications? Would you feel comfortable flying in a plane designed and tested by such people? How about doctors, would you feel comfortable going under the knife knowing that a person received his medical degree, not because he was qualified but because some numb nuts were trying to 'level the playing field?'


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