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Re: in here vs. out there [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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OrgoneConclusion said:
Morphic resonance is just a gibberish term




Yes, it competes in stupidity with the "Big Bang" theory.

Materialists talk a lot of gibberish too, based on their philosophy towards the creation and life, rather than science.

The fact remains that on subjects such as "Life in the Universe", EVERYONE can put out a theory that in the end has the same validity as the Big Bang Theory.

Psychologically speaking, people who are attracted to the Big Bang theory, are just looking for a God creator of everything. It is Christianity dressed up as science.

Edited by Feelter (05/08/14 03:33 AM)

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Re: in here vs. out there [Re: Feelter]
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Yay! Another ignoramus who hasn't a clue about the difference between a theory and a wild idea.



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Psychologically speaking, people who are attracted to the Big Bang theory, are just looking for a God creator of everything. It is Christianity dressed up as science.




The Big Bang theory is backed up by actual facts gathered by thinking and educated astronomers and cosmologists. It has nothing to do with satisfying a need. Could you possibly fail any harder?


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Re: in here vs. out there [Re: Feelter]
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Your avatar is the height of unconscious irony.


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Re: in here vs. out there [Re: Feelter]
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Feelter said:
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OrgoneConclusion said:
Morphic resonance is just a gibberish term




Yes, it competes in stupidity with the "Big Bang" theory.

Materialists talk a lot of gibberish too, based on their philosophy towards the creation and life, rather than science.

The fact remains that on subjects such as "Life in the Universe", EVERYONE can put out a theory that in the end has the same validity as the Big Bang Theory.

Psychologically speaking, people who are attracted to the Big Bang theory, are just looking for a God creator of everything. It is Christianity dressed up as science.



the mind can pose any question and then pose possible answers.

the theories proposed can be far reaching.

I rejoice that the big ban theory satisfies questions posed related to astronomical observations that have been recorded for centuries. Not observations that ordinary people have posed as such, but people who have considered the universe, professionals that society has paid to pursue questions that may ultimately affect the survival of the planet. (or may not)

I regret that morphic resonance is not that mature or concise, I would delve into pyramid power to keep my razors sharp if I could - but there really is something to the matching of shapes, the expression of motif, and the grasping towards a cypher that invokes a thing by its right name... that something is magical thinking...
and magical thinking is what we do:

we remember things by their names,
we recall what is similar to something else,
and we match shapes and find patterns within patterns as a matter of course in all things that we do...

it is the essence of thinking to have resonance between things that match in some way to some degree. And that is very real, and so is the likelihood of real observations being used to prove theories that are related to questions that were not even asked.

possibly the big bang in the face of creation of a universe, relates closely to other ideas of creation, and you may be forgiven for assuming that the big bang theorists and looking for your God while answering questions about creation, you may be forgiven because most other stories of creation require the proposition of God, and the usefulness of that proposition continues to resonate morphically (i.e. cart before horse-ishly)


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Re: in here vs. out there [Re: redgreenvines]
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I am just saying that having a need to believe that everything started from a Single thing, is basically a Christian need.

Asian philosophies are smarter. They can accept eternity, even if they cannot grasp it.

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Re: in here vs. out there [Re: redgreenvines]
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I like this review form Amazon reviews of Sheldrake's book:
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I had previously read "Morphic Resonance"(titled "A New Science of Life" in the U.K.), which introduced the concept, but that book focused almost exclusively on its applications to biology. In this book, Sheldrake expands the concept of morphic resonance to a much wider variety of areas, from genetics and inheritance to mind and memory to culture and language to psi and the paranormal, which will inform his later work. While the simple non-materialist aspect of morphic resonance is almost certainly part of the reason it is so taboo among mainstream scientists, I think it's likely that a bigger reason they fear it is because of the can of worms it opens onto other taboo subjects, such as telepathy, out-of-body experiences, past life memories, and so on. Sheldrake, in a show of open-mindedness we're taught to expect from scientists but rarely see, is not afraid to tackle these topics head on. This book opens up the door to incredible possibilities. How far down the rabbit hole do you want to go?




Apparently NDE researcher Kennish Ring has 31 cases of blind people being able to see after experincing Near Death Experiences. You scientist with its myth of brains producing consciousness, and consciousness only existing in the skull, cannot in any way shape or form really explain these experiences, but theories like Rupert Sheldrake's can.Consciousness is 'everywhere' and not just 'inside' the skull.
When a 'science' becomes a dogma throw it out!

Near Death Experience - Blind woman SEES while OUT OF BODY



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Re: in here vs. out there [Re: Feelter]
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I am just saying that having a need to believe that everything started from a Single thing, is basically a Christian need.



Are galaxies moving away from each other based on human need?


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Re: in here vs. out there [Re: redgreenvines]
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I rejoice that the big ban theory



Rose likes that! :bandeodorant:


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Re: in here vs. out there [Re: Feelter]
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Feelter said:
I am just saying that having a need to believe that everything started from a Single thing, is basically a Christian need.

Asian philosophies are smarter. They can accept eternity, even if they cannot grasp it.



questioning what came before that which we already know is not a sign of dumbness.

the asian cosmologies are purely poetic, please.
I have been immersed in them and loved that deep dunk,
but these are not cosmologies that you can take beyond what we know,
they are like halls of mirrors reflecting what we don't know and calling it ancient knowledge.


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Re: in here vs. out there [Re: zzripz]
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just say no
you have obviously had too much


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Re: in here vs. out there [Re: redgreenvines]
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Immaterealism can hold rationality, it will only be a rationality that in a materealistic perspective is percieved ilogical


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And thus begins the  reverse-fusing of our one-dimentional understanding, and adds ever-expanding perspectives, in depth and number; splitting our perception, and in so doing, seemingly irrationally, creates yet more one-ness, with all that ever was, is and will ever be, streching across the infinite, inunderstood concept of everything, percievable and not.

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Re: in here vs. out there [Re: redgreenvines]
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redgreenvines said:
just say no
you have obviously had too much



What exactly does what you said mean?

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Re: in here vs. out there [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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Going to the moon is science, observing the space is science.

Explaining the creation of the Universe though mathematics, is a philosophical claim, not science.

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Re: in here vs. out there [Re: zzripz]
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but theories like Rupert Sheldrake's can



Second time for those unable to understand ordinary words. Sheldrake does not have a theory. He has an imaginative and unsubstantiated collective of nonsense designed to appeal to New Agers. He might as well be a sci-fi writer for he certainly has abandoned any form of actual research and should get his PhD revoked.


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Re: in here vs. out there [Re: zzripz]
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I like this review form Amazon reviews of Sheldrake's book:

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I had previously read "Morphic Resonance"(titled "A New Science of Life" in the U.K.), which introduced the concept, but that book focused almost exclusively on its applications to biology. In this book, Sheldrake expands the concept of morphic resonance to a much wider variety of areas, from genetics and inheritance to mind and memory to culture and language to psi and the paranormal, which will inform his later work. While the simple non-materialist aspect of morphic resonance is almost certainly part of the reason it is so taboo among mainstream scientists, I think it's likely that a bigger reason they fear it is because of the can of worms it opens onto other taboo subjects, such as telepathy, out-of-body experiences, past life memories, and so on. Sheldrake, in a show of open-mindedness we're taught to expect from scientists but rarely see, is not afraid to tackle these topics head on. This book opens up the door to incredible possibilities. How far down the rabbit hole do you want to go?





You like it because there are no facts nor substantiation, just more ignorant ramblings about non-existent things and he agrees with your stance.

Here is the thing: science does not require belief nor liking nor emotional attachment. It is NOT a popularity contest. It requires facts and reproducible experiments. Why don't you list those?

Please show this fearful mindset that real scientists possess. Once again you have nothing to back this up, but it apparently makes you feel good to believe in your own private fabrication.


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Re: in here vs. out there [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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OrgoneConclusion said:
Here is the thing: science does not require belief nor liking nor emotional attachment. It is NOT a popularity contest. It requires facts and reproducible experiments. Why don't you list those?




Exactly. Go reproduce the Big Bang then.

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Re: in here vs. out there [Re: Feelter]
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Feelter said:
Going to the moon is science, observing the space is science.

Explaining the creation of the Universe though mathematics, is a philosophical claim, not science.



I would vote for this.. this too being a popularity-contest..


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And thus begins the  reverse-fusing of our one-dimentional understanding, and adds ever-expanding perspectives, in depth and number; splitting our perception, and in so doing, seemingly irrationally, creates yet more one-ness, with all that ever was, is and will ever be, streching across the infinite, inunderstood concept of everything, percievable and not.

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Re: in here vs. out there [Re: redgreenvines]
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redgreenvines said:
this is what I think you are referring to:
some perspective towards one thing that encompasses both internal and external.

internal and external mixes on the mind-stage, and it relates to where one is in the world in the moment.



Very well said.  This is in essence my feeling.  The general perception seems to be that the universe and consciousness are two different things. What if in truth there is only one thing, and to us there is normally only an apparent difference in our minds? To suggest that the two are fundamentally different things is a fragmentation. And fragmentation is not natural -- wherever one finds it, it was put there by us. The universe and consciousness constitute one basic objective reality. It would not even be correct to say that each one needs the other to exist. At a fundamental level one is unable to differentiate the two.  In this way, I feel the labels "in here" and "out there" become irrelevant as the categories fall away in the presence of non-local consciousness.


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Re: in here vs. out there [Re: DividedQuantum]
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Re: in here vs. out there [Re: DividedQuantum]
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DividedQuantum said:
redgreenvines said:
this is what I think you are referring to:
some perspective towards one thing that encompasses both internal and external.

internal and external mixes on the mind-stage, and it relates to where one is in the world in the moment.



Very well said.  This is in essence my feeling.  The general perception seems to be that the universe and consciousness are two different things. What if in truth there is only one thing, and to us there is normally only an apparent difference in our minds? To suggest that the two are fundamentally different things is a fragmentation. And fragmentation is not natural -- wherever one finds it, it was put there by us. The universe and consciousness constitute one basic objective reality. It would not even be correct to say that each one needs the other to exist. At a fundamental level one is unable to differentiate the two.  In this way, I feel the labels "in here" and "out there" become irrelevant as the categories fall away in the presence of non-local consciousness.



Of course, 'in here' implies 'out there' and like you say in QM there is the understanding of non locality. But the physicalists cling to the consciousness-in-the-skull routine and some even try and explain away consciousness. Quite ironic when doing so undermines their own consciousness doing so. But we know about dumbing down....riiiight?


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