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Re: The Ten Dogmas of Science [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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OrgoneConclusion said:
On the first Day of Dogma
My true love gave to me:

A white laboratory coat.

On the second Day of Dogma
My true love gave to me:

Two Bunsen burners and
A white laboratory coat.




:lolsy:


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My armour...

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Re: The Ten Dogmas of Science [Re: circastes]
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You were supposed to add the next verse.


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Re: The Ten Dogmas of Science [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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On the third day of dogma
my true love gave to me
Threee hits of elliss deeee

two bunsin burners and a white laboratory coat

..

hehe

As for OP, 100 and fifteen percent truth, and i think there are way more than ten..


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Re: The Ten Dogmas of Science [Re: hTx]
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You know when I was in the 4th grade my gifted teacher gave me a book to read, that discussed the different schools of science, which have changed dramatically every 20 years since history started being recorded, it was a rare book she said, wish I remembered the name.


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Re: The Ten Dogmas of Science [Re: SeaShrooms]
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That quote in your sig, wide acceptance of an idea is not proof of its validity is awesome.

beautiful soul, art thou.


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Re: The Ten Dogmas of Science [Re: hTx]
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"He who makes a beast of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man." -Dr. Johnson

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Re: The Ten Dogmas of Science [Re: LiquidScience]
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funny someone hit this thread to day, got my dad to watch this video with me, he was like "I've been telling you that since you were a baby"... least I got one worthwhile parent...


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Re: The Ten Dogmas of Science [Re: SeaShrooms]
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This has been one of my favorites

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Re: The Ten Dogmas of Science [Re: circastes]
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circastes said:
Interesting TEDx talk for PS&P's benefit and discussion.

The 10 Dogmas Of Science

-That nature is mechanical.
-That matter is unconscious.
-The laws of nature are fixed.
-The totally amount of matter and energy are always the same.
-That nature is purposeless.
-Biological inheritance is material.
-That memories are stored as material traces.
-The mind is in the brain.
-Telepathy and other psychic phenomena are illusory.
-Mechanistic medicine is the only kind that really works.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=zamrs3nE9ys



1)-That nature is mechanical.

An interesting consideration, We tend to project a lot of our technological advancements onto nature because it's an immediate analogy to understand nature in those terms. I cannot say if it's so mechanical, but it certainly can be defined in terms that are relatively predictable if we follow the rules of the scientific method.

2)-That matter is unconscious.

Consciousness is one of those words I raise an eyebrow at, in a really sharp display of incredulity, half the time people don't even know what exactly they're talking about when they introduce the word in a sentence. As if it's some kind of radio transmission signal and the brain is the receiver, shit like that makes me eject from the get go.

3)-The laws of nature are fixed.

The 'Laws' Of nature are assigned by the Scientific Method as we know them colloquially, which is to say, they are laws of prediction, repetition, how likely we can expect a certain phenomenon to occur with frequency. It works, for what it is, It is by NO means an absolute. This is known as empiricism, and it's how we gauge probable outcomes with science, it's not at all perfect, it can't be, but as it stands it's one of the best methods we have to find repeatable outcomes.

4)-The total* amount of matter and energy are always the same.

Now, here I'm not really sure what is meant by the premise, the law of conservation of mass perhaps? I mean, We'd have to go into a discussion of what constitutes a proper transference of matter from one form to another to sort that out, but generally, matter is not destroyed.

5)-That nature is purposeless.

Is science saying this actually? Where is this said? I disagree with the premise at its core. What does purpose mean? Purpose is a word reserved for goal setting, if you're not using a tool to create something then isn't that action 'purposeless"? What is meant by this?

6)-Biological inheritance is material.

All information is transferable through genetics? Is that what is meant by this statement? Clearly it's not, but I think it's a caricature to say that this is the sole opinion of the scientific body of knowledge, epigenetics was for a time shunned by the scientific community but I think that at least in analogy information can be stored from person to person depending on their environment in the same primordial coding system that created you and I. I don't know how concrete this actually is on a time table, but that's another matter, it's up in the air. I'd like to investigate it.

7)-That memories are stored as material traces.

Again I find the grammar of the question a bit confusing. Why does it matter what medium the information is stored as? material? What would be an example of an 'immaterial' storage of memory?

8)-The mind is in the brain.

Ok. I've been a student of philosophy for a long time, and this question always bugs me. What is the "mind"? Can it be separated from the 'brain' without losing context? no? then what value does it have as a word? The conception of what other human beings think of as 'the mind' dissipates upon brain death. So then is the 'mind' not tethered to our concept of the brain? Are they distinguishable? If not then let's put this phantom to rest, it's an obnoxious obfuscation.

9)-Telepathy and other psychic phenomena are illusory.

Words are 'technically' telepathy. Oh what more fashionable way to bullshit our way through the cosmos than with our figurative language. But anyways, I can communicate my 'thoughts' imperfectly through words, it's the syntactic structure rule set that we all agree upon so that we can spread information from one host to another, it's clearly not perfect, I cannot directly communicate my sensations, but it's a sketch of what is being communicated and that's a form of telepathy in its own right.

There's no decent reason to believe that the 'telepathic' communications endured by most proposed psychics are anything more than creative writing classes for opportunistic charlatans.

10)-Mechanistic medicine is the only kind that really works.

I mean that can refuted in a number of ways, medicine works by way of a number of slippery mechanisms, many of which are related to what is known as the placebo effect, but real material medicine is largely responsible for the uptick in healthy chemical regiments for countering disease today, so I'm not sure about what types of medicine are 'effective' but combating disease with proper chemical agents as well as hollistic methods seems to work pretty damn well.


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Oh mortal man, is there anything you cannot be made to believe?

Of all the means I know to lead men, the most effectual is a concealed mystery.

~Adam Weishaupt

Nothing is real, Everything is permitted. ~Hassan I Sabbah

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