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Re: vitriol for vets? [Re: Shins]
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We are protecting Muslims.


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Re: vitriol for vets? [Re: zappaisgod]
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Well that's a bad idea right there.  :satansmoking:  I'm surprised though. I thought we were protecting our interests in the region.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: vitriol for vets? [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said:
Well that's a bad idea right there.  :satansmoking:  I'm surprised though. I thought we were protecting our interests in the region.


They can coincide quite nicely.


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Re: vitriol for vets? [Re: zappaisgod]
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Well I've rarely noticed us vigorously policing other countries when we have no substantial business interests there.  I'm not very inclined to believe we actually care about the citizens in those countries.  We do care about PR though.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: vitriol for vets? [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said:
Well I've rarely noticed us vigorously policing other countries when we have no substantial business interests there.  I'm not very inclined to believe we actually care about the citizens in those countries.  We do care about PR though.


We had no business interests to speak of in Afghanistan.  When you govern through a vote you are always in the PR business.  That's why we are governed by PR professionals instead of engineers.


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Re: vitriol for vets? [Re: zappaisgod]
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zappaisgod said:
We are protecting Muslims.


thats a hilarious joke, got any more?


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Re: vitriol for vets? [Re: Shins]
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Shins


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Re: vitriol for vets? [Re: zappaisgod]
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Lol.  Thats not nearly as funny.

I am dissappoint.


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Re: vitriol for vets? [Re: zappaisgod]
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zappaisgod said:
Icelander said:
Well I've rarely noticed us vigorously policing other countries when we have no substantial business interests there.  I'm not very inclined to believe we actually care about the citizens in those countries.  We do care about PR though.


We had no business interests to speak of in Afghanistan.  When you govern through a vote you are always in the PR business.  That's why we are governed by PR professionals instead of engineers.



Wasn't there something about running a oil pipeline through there and the taliban getting in the way?


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: vitriol for vets? [Re: Icelander]
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No.  Why would we care, anyway?  Pipeline from where to where?  The place was a shithole with no redeeming social value. 


This may have changed a bit recently.  Rare earths have apparently been discovered in abundance.  We'll see.


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Re: vitriol for vets? [Re: Enlil]
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Enlil said:
Of course, the nation shouldn't be using its military like it does even though the resources are there.  I blame the government and the citizens in addition to the soldiers.  I can't hold all of the citizens morally responsible, of course, because many have individually chosen not to support the wars.  Similarly, I can't blame everyone in the government.  Soldiers, on the other hand, I can pretty much universally blame because all of them chose to participate in unjust wars.


Every tax paying citizen of any of the nations that made up the coalition has the same blood on their hands if they continued to pay taxes after hostilities began. Sure, there are consequences for not paying your taxes, but there are consequences for every choice we make in life. By deciding that your comfortable western lifestyle was more important to you then your personal morality about what you claim are unjust wars you have become complicit in the killing by continuing to fund the killing. This is even more true if you've ever voted for Bush or Obama, or one of the many Democrat or Republican Congressmen who supported the wars with their voting records, but even financial support without exercising your right to vote is sufficient to share equal blame.

Also your perception of military personnel are extremely distorted. Not all  are low I.Q. "meat shields" as you try to depict. Sure, some are. They have their place in the military. But the scope of careers in the military is as broad as the private sector. There are aviation mechanics,  machinists, engineers, nurses,  doctors, cardiopulmonary technicians, surgeons, police, and yes Enlil even lawyers. I joined the Air Force, and I can tell you it wasn't a last ditch effort. I had options. I can also tell you it worked out wonderfully for me. Never regretted it a day in my life

Now with all that being said I don't believe anyone deserves respect just for joining. I just don't think they deserve disrespect for it. You have the same blood on your hands as far as I can see. And that's a high and hypocritical horse you're siting on


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"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."

I think we should cut all the social parasites from their welfare checks. Then they will either find a means to support themselves or starve to death, either of wich is good for the economy and society.

I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: "We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal."

"Islam in a man is worse then rabies in a dog"

Edited by Simplicitry (12/14/13 06:29 PM)

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Re: vitriol for vets? [Re: Simplicitry]
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*horse


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Re: vitriol for vets? [Re: Enlil]
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Enlil said:
*horse


Hey, happens to the best of us. I have to give you that one. Now, your feelings on the rest of the post?


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"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."

I think we should cut all the social parasites from their welfare checks. Then they will either find a means to support themselves or starve to death, either of wich is good for the economy and society.

I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: "We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal."

"Islam in a man is worse then rabies in a dog"

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Re: vitriol for vets? [Re: Simplicitry]
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I've made my case, and I see no point in repeating it. 

As far as your nonsensical argument that everyone who pays taxes had blood on their hands, that is asking the stupidest things I've ever seen an adult write.  Paying taxes is mandatory.  I've no choice on that.  Voting for someone who sends troops off to war is optional.  Joining a military knowing that they'll be used in war is optional.  I hold people accountable for their choices...not for what theme required to do.


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Re: vitriol for vets? [Re: Enlil]
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Enlil said:
I've made my case, and I see no point in repeating it.


In other words you lack a valid response

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Enlil said:
As far as your nonsensical argument that everyone who pays taxes had blood on their hands, that is asking the stupidest things I've ever seen an adult write.


Holding you accountable for your support of a government you think is guilty of murdering innocents isn't a question
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Enlil said:
Paying taxes is mandatory.


So was Nazi's following the orders of their superiors

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Enlil said:
I've no choice on that.


Actually you do. You've just chosen that your comfortable western lifestyle is more important to you then the threat of likely going to jail. So much so you will financially support a government you think is guilty of killing innocent people. And also so much so that you don't view anything else as even an option

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Enlil said:
Voting for someone who sends troops off to war is optional.


An obvious fact that can't be disputed
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Enlil said:
Joining a military knowing that they'll be used in war is optional.



This is true. At least at the present time in America

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Enlil said:
I hold people accountable for their choices...not for what theme required to do.



Unless of course it's people who financially support a government that they think fights unjust wars and kills innocent people that is


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"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."

I think we should cut all the social parasites from their welfare checks. Then they will either find a means to support themselves or starve to death, either of wich is good for the economy and society.

I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: "We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal."

"Islam in a man is worse then rabies in a dog"

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Re: vitriol for vets? [Re: Simplicitry]
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Not paying taxes and using government services is morally reprehensible.  I'm a part of a society, and to exempt myself from society's rules is wrong. You're free to project your guilt and shame on me, but I'm free to disagree.


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Re: vitriol for vets? [Re: Enlil]
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Enlil said:
Not paying taxes and using government services is morally reprehensible.  I'm a part of a society, and to exempt myself from society's rules is wrong. You're free to project your guilt and shame on me, but I'm free to disagree.


You're free to make excuses for supporting a government you think fights unjust wars and kills innocent people, but you still support them. No amount of your high & mighty hypocrisy will ever change that you do support them. You did help pay for both wars and that is a just a fact


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"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."

I think we should cut all the social parasites from their welfare checks. Then they will either find a means to support themselves or starve to death, either of wich is good for the economy and society.

I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: "We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal."

"Islam in a man is worse then rabies in a dog"

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Re: vitriol for vets? [Re: Simplicitry]
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I'm okay with that.


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Re: vitriol for vets? [Re: Enlil]
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Enlil said:
I'm okay with that.


So you agree that you were hypocritical for looking down on military  personnel for their participation in wars  when you yourself admit to willfully supporting the government that began the wars in the first place? Right?


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"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."

I think we should cut all the social parasites from their welfare checks. Then they will either find a means to support themselves or starve to death, either of wich is good for the economy and society.

I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: "We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal."

"Islam in a man is worse then rabies in a dog"

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Re: vitriol for vets? [Re: Simplicitry]
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Not at all. There is a huge difference between paying taxes as required by law in lieu of going to jail and volunteering to participate in an unjust war.  That difference is everything.  I dont expect you to understand.


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