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Re: vitriol for vets? [Re: sweeper54]
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sweeper54 said:
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scientists who develop technologies for national defense or infrastructure upgrades to help America be more competitive


So you want to know how to make the infrastructure upgrades, but your party doesn't want to spend the dollars to help America be more competitive.

How is paying people billions to "develop technologies for national defense" honorable and someone in the military using those technologies not?


i assure you that scientists getting government grants in universities are not getting billions of dollars :lol:


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Re: vitriol for vets? [Re: psyconaught]
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I'm not talking about scientists getting government grants in universities.

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Re: vitriol for vets? [Re: sweeper54]
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thats where most government funded research takes place


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Re: vitriol for vets? [Re: Enlil]
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Enlil said:
There are many ways to serve one's country.  If the best one has to offer is military service, then he/she doesn't have much to offer at all.


You're a douche they have a job whether they like it or not. The least you can do is recognize that they believe that they as an individual are standing for you. :psycrankey: Whether they are right or wrong only they can decide. Fuck all the politics. S.T.F.U. You self centered asshat.


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Re: vitriol for vets? [Re: r00tuuu123]
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How can they be standing for me if they don't know what I believe or want on an issue?  They are standing for themselves and what they believe and are not concerned with standing for what I believe.  It may or may not be what I think is right or proper.  They don't really care about that.  I know some pretty nice people in the military but not one of them would ever lie to me and tell me he joined for my benefit. :facepalm: They joined for the career opportunity. (one's on a nuclear sub) He could never have gotten that education on a civilian level that easily. He was broke.  He would laugh in my face if I tried to tell him he joined up to stand for me. :lol:

Also flaming is against forum rules here.  It hardly puts your case on the high ground.


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Edited by Icelander (12/13/13 03:15 AM)

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Re: vitriol for vets? [Re: sweeper54]
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sweeper54 said:
So you want to know how to make the infrastructure upgrades, but your party doesn't want to spend the dollars to help America be more competitive.

What party is that?
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How is paying people billions to "develop technologies for national defense" honorable and someone in the military using those technologies not?


You asked who has a lot to offer in service of their country.  I answered.  It had nothing to do with being honorable.  Someone who brings technological innovation to the table clearly offers more than someone who uses that technology.  That's a no-brainer...unless you think that by turning on your bathroom light, you're on par with Thomas Edison inventing it.


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Re: vitriol for vets? [Re: Enlil]
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Someone who brings technological innovation to the table clearly offers more than someone who uses that technology.  That's a no-brainer...unless you think that by turning on your bathroom light, you're on par with Thomas Edison inventing it.


And I can turn that on you also. Technology on the table is just that, until the common man builds it and that something you elitists don't get.

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Re: vitriol for vets? [Re: sweeper54]
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It's not about the "common man" vs some other type of man, dude.  My point is that value is proportional to scarcity.  More people can make/use a widget than can invent the widget, therefore inventing the widget is more valuable.  An inventor brings more value to the table than the manufacturer or the end user. 

To bring this back on topic, millions of people in the nation can carry and fire a gun, but far fewer can design a better gun.  Those who design them bring more to the table and do more in service of their country than those who carry them.

The people who choose to become soldiers do so because they can't or won't design the gun. I admire that they've chosen to serve, but I don't admire the way they've chosen because it's something that almost anyone could do.  Further, in today's current situation, I don't admire the decision to participate in what I deem unjust wars.


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Re: vitriol for vets? [Re: Enlil]
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I've been an Army Recruiter and an Army Drill Sergeant and I can tell first hand "ANYONE" cannot serve in the military even in a support role.

It IS about the common man, and respect for the common man.

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Those who design them bring more to the table and do more in service of their country than those who carry them.


You can have all the widget and guns in the world but until the common man uses those gun and widget you have nothing.

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I don't admire the decision to participate in what I deem unjust wars.


Service man and women don't have the luxury of turning down assignment like you may have with a case. They are proud of what they have to do and put their personal feeling aside to do their job.

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Re: vitriol for vets? [Re: sweeper54]
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They had the option of not joining or re-upping when they found out that we were engaged in two unjust wars.  They're 100% responsible for their participation.  Everyone in the military now made the decision to be, or continue being, in the military during those unjust wars. 

As for them being proud...what kind of a man is proud to participate in the killing of thousands of people for breaching a contract?  Certainly not any kind of man I can respect.


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Re: vitriol for vets? [Re: Enlil]
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The vast majority of people killed over there were killed in their civil war not the US military.

I agree with you that both these are unjust wars, and I've always told people that if you want to support the troops, bring them home. Afghanistan didn't start out that way, it was corrupted by Dickless Cheney and Dumbsfeld in their greed to control Iraq's oil.

Even though it is wrong for our country to be there, we need them there right now.

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Certainly not any kind of man I can respect.


And I have no respect for someone who choses to be a lawyer. People in this country scream that they want their country back. It has nothing to do with the Black man in the White House or the Dems in control, it the number of FUCKING  lawyers in this country. Life was simpler when we didn't have hordes of FUCKING lawyers looking for way to separate people and companies from their money. Pubs want Tort reform, get rid of the FUCKING lawyers. Every FUCKING lawyer is looking for his new niche in the law. The reason Bills in congress have to thousands of pages long is to cover all the bases so FUCKING lawyers have a harder time working the loop holes in it.

Why does it take 30 signatures to buy a house? So you'll need a FUCKING lawyer to get the contract signed.

If you want your United States back, get rid of the FUCKING lawyers.

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Re: vitriol for vets? [Re: sweeper54]
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This thread isn't about lawyers or people's vitriol for them.  I knew perfectly well how people felt about lawyers when I decided to be one.

This thread is about vets and people's vitriol for vets.  Stay on topic, please.


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Re: vitriol for vets? [Re: Enlil]
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The vitriol for lawyers thread is later, and even then it will be for DA's! Lol or divorce attorneys

Edited by myc_check1212 (12/13/13 12:34 PM)

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Re: vitriol for vets? [Re: myc_check1212]
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I'm sure far more people hate lawyers than vets.


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Re: vitriol for vets? [Re: Enlil]
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I have to agree with Enlil in this thread, spot on. 

I never liked this "we are fighting 5000 miles away from the homeland to keep your freedom" bullshit that comes out of the military, and enlisted soldiers.

It's an ignorant and arrogant attitude, and citizens should not buy into it.

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Re: vitriol for vets? [Re: zappaisgod]
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zappaisgod said:
I find most attorneys to be loathsome self-dealers.


i remembered your hatred of lawyers and thought you might be interested in this article
http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/12/11/teen-who-killed-four-while-driving-three-times-over-the-limit-gets-off-because-his-rich-parents-papered-him/

i love to fuel the fires of hatred :lol:


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Re: vitriol for vets? [Re: psyconaught]
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i love to fuel the fires of hatred


Is there any other t be here?

On another site I took the name 'the Burr' after they banned the use of the word Bur which was the first name I used.

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Re: vitriol for vets? [Re: zappaisgod]
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Enlil said:
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ORLY?  A cop can be arrested for shooting me while violently resisting arrest? 

Holding a gun and telling someone to fuck off isn't violently resisting arrest, and it isn't justification to shoot someone.  Further, the IRS isn't a police agency.  Even further, the military aren't cops.  Even further still, IRS obligations aren't a matter of contract.  Your silly little metaphor fails at every level.
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Polanski wasn't indicted.  He was convicted


Does that make him any more of a fugitive?


Nice selective edit lawyer boy  Original post with context included
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Enlil said:
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Who is responsible for the deaths from a police chase that kills a pedestrian?  What does the law say, counselor?

The cop if he was negligent, and the person being chased


And if there is no cop negligence?
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Well no.  It would be like the IRS shooting me when I stood my ground with a gun and told them to fuck off


That would be illegal, too, and whoever shot you would likely be prosecuted for it


ORLY?  A cop can be arrested for shooting me while violently resisting arrest? 
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Was Iraq sovereign after it signed the cease fire agreement? 

Yes


Bullshit.  They surrendered much of their sovereignty when the accepted the terms
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  I believe we should go there and get the pedophile freak.  There or anywhere else.  He aint exactly hiding.


And maybe other countries should invade us for not turning over fugitives.  I do recall that Bush and Cheney were indicted.


Polanski wasn't indicted.  He was convicted


You equated a convicted felon and pedophile with some foreign nonsense indictment of Bush and Cheney.  Dishonest at best.  The IRS has fewer constraints on their behavior than anybody else and they send cops to arrest you if you do not pay.  Sorry, my analogies are spot on and you are resorting to deception and obfuscation to prove a point you lost.


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Re: vitriol for vets? [Re: zappaisgod]
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Not really, dude.  People don't get killed in the U.S. for breach of contract.  There isn't a civilized society on the planet where that is allowed.  You condone the killing of thousands of people because of a breach of contract...that's clearly an indefensible position.


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Re: vitriol for vets? [Re: Enlil]
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Lol.

but they're muslims, its ok then right Heir Zappa?


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