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vitriol for vets?
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So I'm noticing over the past few days a lot of hate directed at vets and the military. I ask, why?

i can appreciate war is not your cup of tea, or America isn't the world police, or "____" isn't our business. But why make a personal attack against a man or woman who chooses the green?

lets keep it civil and to the point, what is it about the individual soldier/marine/sailor/airman you dislike?

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Re: vitriol for vets? [Re: myc_check1212]
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my guess would be that they contribute to the problem by supporting the war/oversee's occupation.


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Re: vitriol for vets? [Re: psyconaught]
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That isn't a problem, there is no occupation and they have no say in policy.


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Re: vitriol for vets? [Re: zappaisgod]
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they have no say but they still support it by joining the military. Just like i have no say in walmarts policies but i support them by shopping there. Really? We're not occupying Afghanistan?


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Re: vitriol for vets? [Re: psyconaught]
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No, we are not occupying Afghanistan.


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Re: vitriol for vets? [Re: myc_check1212]
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I haven't noticed any hatred toward military personnel since the Vietnam war.  Do you have any examples to cite?


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Re: vitriol for vets? [Re: zappaisgod]
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what would you call it?


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Re: vitriol for vets? [Re: psyconaught]
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What do you call our presence in Japan and Germany?

Don't get me wrong, I would walk every single one of our forces out of that shithole and let the retards kill each other until there is nobody left standing.


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Re: vitriol for vets? [Re: zappaisgod]
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considering we don't actively blow shit up in Japan or Germany i'd say our presence is just that, a presence. Afghanistan very clearly falls into occupation territory in my mind. Of course there could be some technical caveat that makes in not. However i believe its arguing semantics at that point. While maybe not a technical occupation we are blowing shit up and killing people there on a daily basis.

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Don't get me wrong, I would walk every single one of our forces out of that shithole and let the retards kill each other until there is nobody left standing.


Glad we agree on that point. Let the religious freaks kill themselves in the name of virgins all day long if they want to.


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Re: vitriol for vets? [Re: Enlil]
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#100!

as always, enlil, the balance to my check. Hate may have been the wrong choice, maybe disrespect, or tacit neglect? As for examples in the past two weeks I have read the following. Meat shield, underachievers, the military as a welfare recipient, and most egregious yet, a rant about refusing to pick up the costs of therapy / medication for PTSD patients.

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Re: vitriol for vets? [Re: psyconaught]
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psyconaught said:
considering we don't actively blow shit up in Japan or Germany i'd say our presence is just that, a presence. Afghanistan very clearly falls into occupation territory in my mind. Of course there could be some technical caveat that makes in not. However i believe its arguing semantics at that point. While maybe not a technical occupation we are blowing shit up and killing people there on a daily basis.


Our government does that here.  I think it is important to use words properly.  We are not occupying any nation on Earth.

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Don't get me wrong, I would walk every single one of our forces out of that shithole and let the retards kill each other until there is nobody left standing.


Glad we agree on that point. Let the religious freaks kill themselves in the name of virgins all day long if they want to.



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Re: vitriol for vets? [Re: myc_check1212]
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Since I am the author of some of the referenced posts, I'll speak for myself and my motivations.  More specifically, I'll expand upon my opinions which led to those posts.

I don't see any reason to respect someone simply because he/she joins the military.  It's not a particularly smart or wise decision.  Further, it tells me that the person had very few options when they got out of high school.

The reason I feel this way is because people who are smart know that there are far better things that they can do with their lives than be indoctrinated into a culture where one blindly follows orders and serves a master in whatever way the master deems necessary.  This kind of culture is a good fit for those who lack both the ability and the desire to choose their own direction in life and actively move toward it.  The military makes those decisions for a recruit.

There are certainly people who join the military because they are exceptionally well suited for it, and they are the exception.  These are the people who become top tacticians.  Most people who join, however, are only there because they were too stupid or too foolish to think of anything better to do with whatever talents they possess.

I don't hate people in the military at all.  I find that most people who join do so for quite sincere reasons, however stupid and poorly thought out those reasons may be.


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Re: vitriol for vets? [Re: Enlil]
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That sounds kind of like the bar.


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Re: vitriol for vets? [Re: zappaisgod]
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Not any bar I've been to.


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Re: vitriol for vets? [Re: Enlil]
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ORLY?


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Re: vitriol for vets? [Re: zappaisgod]
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YARLY!


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Re: vitriol for vets? [Re: Enlil]
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Further, it tells me that the person had very few options when they got out of high school.



Spoken like a person who doesn't know shit about people in the military.

In 22 years of  service and in every unit I serviced in the vast majority of people where there because they wanted to be there. Especially later in the reserves I served with highly successful people outside the military who felt they owed the country their service.

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Re: vitriol for vets? [Re: sweeper54]
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There are many ways to serve one's country.  If the best one has to offer is military service, then he/she doesn't have much to offer at all.


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Re: vitriol for vets? [Re: Enlil]
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Enlil said:
There are many ways to serve one's country.  If the best one has to offer is military service, then he/she doesn't have much to offer at all.


One could make the same statement about all of Congress and 99% of lawyers


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Re: vitriol for vets? [Re: zappaisgod]
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Of course, but I don't know any lawyers who claim that they're doing it to "serve their country".


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