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OfflineOook
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Euthanasia
    #1880368 - 09/04/03 06:50 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

Im going to start by saying similar things have almost certainly been posted but anyways.

Doesn't it seem a little odd to anyone that if an animal is severely ill and/or in a lot of pain we spare them the agony by killing them.
However with a human this seems to be considered the wrong thing to do, even though most people would consider humans to be superior to animals. Yet we do not have the decency to offer them the same treatment, animals do not have the choice to make this decision yet with people they are sometimes all too willing to die yet we do nothing.

What does everyone think about this? have i missed the point or should euthanasia seriously be considered for legalisation.


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Re: Euthanasia [Re: Oook]
    #1880435 - 09/04/03 08:05 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

It should be legal. I think some euthanasia campaigners in Australia started distributing 'death bags' to encourage people to kill themselves if they wanted to. I thought it was a good idea, but the bags looked so inviting i felt like killing myself.

The bag is basically a plastic bag (the non-noisy kind) with a elastic opening. You slip it over your head and go to sleep. IT'S THAT EASY!



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Re: Euthanasia [Re: Zildjian]
    #1880438 - 09/04/03 08:10 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)


do they offer a money back gaurantee if you wake up when you start suffocating and destroy the bag in a pirmal fury?


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Re: Euthanasia [Re: Zildjian]
    #1880439 - 09/04/03 08:11 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Zildjian said:
IT'S THAT EASY!





Not if you are completely paralized and cannot move at all, but still suffer amazing pain and continously wish for your death to release you...
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Re: Euthanasia [Re: fireworks_god]
    #1880461 - 09/04/03 08:28 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

"Not if you are completely paralized and cannot move at all, but still suffer amazing pain and continously wish for your death to release you..."

But how would you get the dam thing on in the first place, I guess anone helping you would be done for murder or something.


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Re: Euthanasia [Re: Zildjian]
    #1880526 - 09/04/03 09:36 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

you could do a michael hutchence inxs style departure with one of those plastic bags....or at least practise a lot.


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Re: Euthanasia [Re: Oook]
    #1880608 - 09/04/03 10:42 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

I think euthanasia should be legal (as it already is in some countries), but it should not be handled by the same doctor as the one who treats the person. Reason: when an animal is taken to a veterinary, the vet works for the interest of the owner of the animal, not for the animal itself. The owner decides whether the animal should be treated or killed. In the human case, the doctor always works to restore the patient's health, never for something or someone else (at least that is how it should be -- doctors who see themselves as servants of the state are an especially chilling prospect).

Ideally, the doctor who treats the patient should always be an advocate for continued treatment, who argues with both the suicidal patient and with the representatives from the Euthanasia Corporation presenting their seductive brochures...


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Re: Euthanasia [Re: Rhizoid]
    #1880997 - 09/04/03 01:48 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

Man, I fucking hate old people.  80% of them are slow, dull, malcontents with no place in the world.  They live off my social security $ and cancel out my votes for more modern, intelligent policy. 

If a senior citizen wants to off himself, I'll drive him to the hospital for the injection.

But on the other hand, it would be pretty creepy to have a "logan's run" or "soylent green" type of scenario.  If euthanasia exists, it should definitely be voluntary.

I also believe that the elderly should have less rights to reflect their cognitive deficiencies.  But it would have to be a case by case thing- not just some arbitrary age limit where you lose your rights.  I've always thought rights should be contingent on intelligence anyway, but then, I would.  :smile:


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Re: Euthanasia [Re: DoctorJ]
    #1881023 - 09/04/03 01:59 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

> but it should not be handled by the same doctor as the one who treats the person.

I too feel that euthanasia should be legal. I do not agree that a doctor should be the one helping out...

The following is from the Oath of the Hippocrates (Hippocratic Oath) taken by medical doctors:

Quote:



I will follow that system of regimen which, according to my ability and judgment, I consider for the benefit of my patients, and abstain from whatever is deleterious and mischievous. I will give no deadly medicine to any one if asked, nor suggest any such counsel; and in like manner I will not give to a woman a pessary to produce abortion.






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Re: Euthanasia [Re: DoctorJ]
    #1881038 - 09/04/03 02:05 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

DoctorJ said:
They live off my social security $ and cancel out my votes for more modern, intelligent policy.





I hope you're just being funny. My grandfather payed into your social security his whole fucking life. Please tell me it was a joke.

As for the rest of your post, quit being so arrogant in your youth.


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Re: Euthanasia [Re: EvilGir]
    #1881057 - 09/04/03 02:13 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

jezu said:
But how would you get the dam thing on in the first place, I guess anone helping you would be done for murder or something.





Yeah, this is my point. And this is where the issue gets comlicated.. when suicide is no longer an option, than this is where euthansia stems from. Myself, I guess I believe that people with the best interest of the person should be able to decide IF the person themself is not able to voice his opinion on the matter.

Of course, this could be misused, too, just like innocent people being executed.. Every system has this, though.
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Re: Euthanasia [Re: Oook]
    #1881240 - 09/04/03 03:14 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

I don't know how I would feel about legalizing it. Decriminalization I think would be better. I think assisted suicid should be legalized for the termanaly ill though.


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Re: Euthanasia [Re: mr_minds_eye]
    #1881428 - 09/04/03 04:17 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

I fully support Youth-in-Asia...  :tongue:
sorry but this thread had it comming... :smirk:
that is all...


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Re: Euthanasia [Re: lucid]
    #1881599 - 09/04/03 05:24 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

"I fully support Youth-in-Asia"
rehehehe wow it sounds the same, man thats hilarious.

How about involuntary euthanasia with lucid first on the list?

"Man, I fucking hate old people"
stfu, who dyu think fought to preserve the freedom of people like you in the world wars? I agree old people can be annoying but they at least deserve our respect, many of them are fairly happy anyway.


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Re: Euthanasia [Re: Oook]
    #1881731 - 09/04/03 06:06 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Oook said:
"I fully support Youth-in-Asia"
rehehehe wow it sounds the same, man thats hilarious.

How about involuntary euthanasia with lucid first on the list?




To show my support, I'll whole-heartadly give myself
up to this cause :smirk:
I'm a suicidal depressive, ya picked the wrong guy  :tongue:
that's like offering me a piece of heaven :grin: 


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Re: Euthanasia [Re: Oook]
    #1881734 - 09/04/03 06:07 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

I think it should go one step further - there should be government clinics where you can go and get a free lethal injection, regardless of your present health.


It should be a personal right to have readily available access to a dignified, painless death.


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Re: Euthanasia [Re: Pyronate]
    #1881754 - 09/04/03 06:13 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Pyronate said:
I think it should go one step further - there should be government clinics where you can go and get a free lethal injection, regardless of your present health.


It should be a personal right to have readily available access to a dignified, painless death. 



You'll get my vote in the next election :lol:


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Re: Euthanasia [Re: lucid]
    #1881771 - 09/04/03 06:16 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

Actually, I don't even care to die a "dignified" death, as long
as it's "relatively" painless...n there's plenty of ways to do that...
I'm jus alive cause there's people who would be destroyed if I
took my own life - my family mainly...damn them :frown:
There wuz a time when I lived because I loved life...
but it ain't like that no mo... :smirk:
but I digress...
I wish we could change all of society's view on death n suicide...
heck the Japanese actually honor it !


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Re: Euthanasia [Re: Pyronate]
    #1881941 - 09/04/03 07:05 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Pyronate said:
It should be a personal right to have readily available access to a dignified, painless death.




If it should be a right, then we should also have the right to a dignified, painless LIFE. If one chooses to die, they should have the right to die. If one chooses to LIVE, they should have a right to LIVE. Which means no more bombs killing innocent people, no "bad guys" killing people, which means nobody killing anybody..

One extremity must have a completely equal and completely opposite extremity at the other end of the spectrum..
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Re: Euthanasia [Re: fireworks_god]
    #1882072 - 09/04/03 07:39 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

Enuff Morbidity !
Happy thoughts !
lets talk aboot cartoons !

That's all folks :lol:
sorry couldn't resist  :tongue:


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