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    #19220361 - 12/03/13 02:52 AM (8 years, 1 day ago)

There is a huge movement toward legalizing it here in canada I think it is a basic human right ...what is your opinion?


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Re: euthanasia [Re: zoomfan] * 1
    #19220371 - 12/03/13 02:57 AM (8 years, 1 day ago)

Yeah, why wouldn't it be, besides "God will send you to hell" or some other such BS?


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Re: euthanasia [Re: NetDiver]
    #19220386 - 12/03/13 03:07 AM (8 years, 1 day ago)

yeah i agree it just blows my mind that it is illegal to die when you want to it is the greatest human rights violation of our time


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Re: euthanasia [Re: zoomfan]
    #19220396 - 12/03/13 03:13 AM (8 years, 1 day ago)

hmm, i disagree. i believe it's your time when it's your time. it's not really something that should be in your hands.. that's just my opinion though.


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Re: euthanasia [Re: redfox7450] * 1
    #19220427 - 12/03/13 03:31 AM (8 years, 1 day ago)

Why shouldn't you get to decide when 'your time' is? It's your life, after all.

Also, you may say it's just "your opinion," but if you're ever in a position to vote on the matter, then it will have crossed the line from "harmless belief" into "denial of the rights of others."


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Re: euthanasia [Re: NetDiver]
    #19220448 - 12/03/13 03:42 AM (8 years, 1 day ago)

yeah, but you didn't get the decision to be born into this world, so why have the decision when you go? it just doesn't make sense to me. and if there were voting on it, i would vote against it. if you want to kill yourself then pick up a gun and do it, or whatever it is you have to do. don't put it into the hands of others.


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Re: euthanasia [Re: redfox7450] * 1
    #19220460 - 12/03/13 03:47 AM (8 years, 1 day ago)

Not everyone can pick up a gun and do it themselves. The kinds of people who request euthanasia generally aren't able to do much at all, besides request barbituates from their doctors.

And if anything, the fact that you didn't make the decision to be born is an argument for the right to die when and how you want. You have no obligation to anyone or anything to live, you didn't choose to be here so why should you have to remain if you don't want to, if you're just going to be experiencing suffering?


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Re: euthanasia [Re: NetDiver] * 1
    #19220471 - 12/03/13 03:53 AM (8 years, 1 day ago)

People should be able to do what they want.


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Re: euthanasia [Re: redfox7450] * 1
    #19220482 - 12/03/13 04:00 AM (8 years, 1 day ago)

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redfox7450 said:
hmm, i disagree. i believe it's your time when it's your time. it's not really something that should be in your hands.. that's just my opinion though.




Why is it your opinion exactly?

  Someday you may find yourself in excruciating pain.  Why take pain pills then even, if pain is your fate it's your fate. Just let nature take it's course and interfere with nothing?


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Re: euthanasia [Re: redfox7450] * 1
    #19220622 - 12/03/13 05:57 AM (8 years, 1 day ago)

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you didn't get the decision to be born into this world




This statement makes no sense. 'You' is an emergent property of a human being with some time on the planet. There was no 'you' before birth to decide for or against being here.

BTW, welcome to the forum.


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Re: euthanasia [Re: DirtyTomFlint]
    #19220624 - 12/03/13 05:58 AM (8 years, 1 day ago)

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DatIslandLife said:
People should be able to do what they want.




You velly funny man. :japsmile:


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Re: euthanasia [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #19220633 - 12/03/13 06:05 AM (8 years, 1 day ago)

Suicide is a human right... only a torturer would keep a man from dyeing...

When did Pelagius III get in charge?


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Re: euthanasia [Re: Icyus]
    #19220638 - 12/03/13 06:08 AM (8 years, 1 day ago)

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only a torturer would keep a man from dyeing






True. Coloring t-shirts in multi-colored patterns is a God-given right!


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Re: euthanasia [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #19220746 - 12/03/13 07:47 AM (8 years, 1 day ago)

this is not as complex as evolution or consciousness, but it is going to be tricky to keep the situation clear about the right to be killed and the right to kill, the right circumstances and the clear petition or consensus on the procedure being euthanasia as opposed to murder.

we all have to be sure that

the person who is euthanized is not substituted for another person. (authenticity of choice)

the person who is euthanized has actually asked to be euthanized and has not been maneuvered into seeming to have asked by parties with vested interests. (veracity of choice)

a person who cannot express himself and who is clearly in endless pain with no  recourse will require some other consideration, such as family or peer decisions unless prior to being overcome with illness the person had a living will. (clear legal status)


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Re: euthanasia [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #19220748 - 12/03/13 07:49 AM (8 years, 1 day ago)

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OrgoneConclusion said:
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you didn't get the decision to be born into this world




This statement makes no sense. 'You' is an emergent property of a human being with some time on the planet. There was no 'you' before birth to decide for or against being here.

BTW, welcome to the forum.





Unlike you I take the meaning of what he's attempting to say and I agree with him.


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Re: euthanasia [Re: Icelander]
    #19220865 - 12/03/13 09:02 AM (8 years, 23 hours ago)

I see the shift towards the legalisation of euthanasia as inevitable. There's not one single strong argument against euthanasia, if you disagree.. no.. just don't even try. :pipesmoke:


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Re: euthanasia [Re: Libertin]
    #19221731 - 12/03/13 01:45 PM (8 years, 19 hours ago)

euthanasia is simply the idea that points evil life being the present fact

as if truth, so freedom, is saying, kill me, and the power abuse, is answering something else .. kill me, and the same answer something else to not say blankly, no

what you don't get is how truth is not a thing, truth is truth so it wont care about absolutes it can creates it as shit ... absolutes are for right considerations of being to else existence that must be free ... but no one particularly this is absurd ... or not in some way that you can know to jump on as knowing anything

power is based on never killing, because power is from else misery, so the more else is surviving the more power it gives to any possession ability to its objective being..it must get things, power is through doing things that exist already ...

euthanasia is just showing the absurdity of means
like somebody is dying dying cannot breed at all nor move his situation is terminal the disease is alive instead everyday more .. people love him around him ... and still saying no no... and the guy is saying plz plz I cant take that anymore ... no what about god ... I love you ....

so you see, this is all for that point


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Re: euthanasia [Re: Libertin]
    #19221776 - 12/03/13 01:55 PM (8 years, 19 hours ago)

euthanasia is simply the idea that points evil life being the present fact

as if truth, so freedom, is saying, kill me, and the power abuse, is answering something else .. kill me, and the same answer something else to not say blankly, no

what you don't get is how truth is not a thing, truth is truth so it wont care about absolutes it can creates it as shit ... absolutes are for right considerations of being to else existence that must be free ... but no one particularly this is absurd ... or not in some way that you can know to jump on as knowing anything

power is based on never killing, because power is from else misery, so the more else is surviving the more power it gives to any possession ability to its objective being..it must get things, power is through doing things that exist already ...

euthanasia is just showing the absurdity of means
like somebody is dying dying cannot breed at all nor move his situation is terminal the disease is alive instead everyday more .. people love him around him ... and still saying no no... and the guy is saying plz plz I cant take that anymore ... no what about the big plan.. I love you ....

so you see, this is all for that point


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Re: euthanasia [Re: absols]
    #19221928 - 12/03/13 02:29 PM (8 years, 18 hours ago)

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absols said:
euthanasia is simply the idea that points evil life being the present fact

as if truth, so freedom, is saying, kill me, and the power abuse, is answering something else .. kill me, and the same answer something else to not say blankly, no

what you don't get is how truth is not a thing, truth is truth so it wont care about absolutes it can creates it as shit ... absolutes are for right considerations of being to else existence that must be free ... but no one particularly this is absurd ... or not in some way that you can know to jump on as knowing anything

power is based on never killing, because power is from else misery, so the more else is surviving the more power it gives to any possession ability to its objective being..it must get things, power is through doing things that exist already ...

euthanasia is just showing the absurdity of means
like somebody is dying dying cannot breed at all nor move his situation is terminal the disease is alive instead everyday more .. people love him around him ... and still saying no no... and the guy is saying plz plz I cant take that anymore ... no what about the big plan.. I love you ....

so you see, this is all for that point




absols, for the simple people like me who have difficulty understanding your posts, are you for or against the legalisation of euthanasia?  :grin:


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Re: euthanasia [Re: Libertin]
    #19222073 - 12/03/13 02:54 PM (8 years, 18 hours ago)

Practically I'm all for being able to legally kill myself (or get others to kill me when I'm no longer capable of doing it) when I see nothing but suffering for the rest of my days.

Just to play Devil's advocate, though--what if killing myself would generate more suffering in my friends, family and loved ones compared to my own suffering if I chose life instead?  I suppose this assumes a utilitarian perspective on morality, but assuming for the moment that one's suffering ISN'T the only thing that matters, what's the right thing to do in this situation?


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